I don't really blame him for today even if team selection was questionable in some parts. It's the overrated Maguire that I think is the bigger problem.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I'd be perfect if I wasn't flawed.
That was a shit performance all round. If we want to win the league, we need more control in the midfield. Ironically, our record against the supposedly top teams (if you want) is really poor this season.
Anyways, so much to play for. On to the next one.
So what your saying is we shouldn’t lose ANY games? Wow that’s a great benchmark to have.
We will lose games, every team in this league have dropped points, today’s game was lost through individual errors in both finishing and conceding goals.
Yep: I think our strikers have cost us at least 6 points this season due to our unforgivable misses like Rashfords header today.
I’d argue they have let the side down more than our defenders so far.
Ole will go down as the first Manchester United manager in the 21st century to witness Liverpool reach our record of Premier League titles won.
We dropped far more than 6 points due to stupid misses this season.
I think Stay at Home and self isolation has made these OleOUTers lose touch with reality! It’s the only reason I can think of that makes sense.
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Is that meant to mean something?
I see many people slighting the set up and inclusion of Dan James but old set us up perfectly to win and we should have with the chances we missed. James was fantastic at the press and did well to create the first goal. Rightly subbed off to add more creativity. This result is never on ole, not in a million years. You can look at the clear cut wasted chances and find your answer as to why we didn’t win.
I’m sure we have. That was just of the top of my head estimate
Nice to see a mod encouraging debate in a civil way on a discussion forum.
Nothing much to talk about the manager here. We should have won this one, a little bit of a shame but we should move on. Not really sad about these 2 points at all.
Unlikely. Unless Liverpool win the next 12
Ole can't be to blame if Rashy misses sitters
Thats not what I said at all. Thats almost intellectually dishonest to suggest I meant that.
What I meant was there are some key games where top managers squeeze out victories. Put up or shut up games and we constantly fail in those.
We squandered the CL yet a win vs
Istanbul would have been enough. Sevilla game. Then additional CL games. And this Leicester game was very important too and we had it.
My argument is that a top manager wouldnt let those games slip.
Nothing wrong with the setup today. We should have been out of sight long back.
Should have subbed Rashford instead of Martial.
Pogba isn't a winger and he shouldn't play him on the wings.
We still don't know how to press and play from the back despite being 2 years. Either you fecking don't do it or execute it perfectly.
Should have subbed Rashford instead of Martial.
Pogba isn't a winger and he shouldn't play him on the wings.
We still don't know how to press and play from the back despite being 2 years. Either you fecking don't do it or execute it perfectly.
Not a bad point to be fair. But it's a shame we couldn't hold on to our lead.
Can't agree with this, and this is coming from someone who is unsure about Ole. He can't come on the pitch and score easy chances, or teach defenders to do the basics. The starting 11 wasn't great, but we made more than enough chances to win it.
He started the wrong team..
we all knew James would be crap, and we would be forced to take him off after an hour before the game started...
we have more than enough top attackers to rotate without having to play James.
we win that game if the team that ended the game started it.
hamstrung us from the first whistle.
if we had a tiny squad I could excuse it... but we don’t
we all knew James would be crap, and we would be forced to take him off after an hour before the game started...
we have more than enough top attackers to rotate without having to play James.
we win that game if the team that ended the game started it.
hamstrung us from the first whistle.
if we had a tiny squad I could excuse it... but we don’t
It's just my opinion.
I personally think some of the posters should take a complete break away from this thread. How anyone thinks the United board will sack Ole at this point of the season is sheer madness.
What a new ridiculous stick to beat someone with. Jesus.
Thought Ole actually managed this game well - Leicester created nothing, Rodgers was caught out by the selection and shape and we just had one of those games where from the 2nd minute you knew we'd regret not taking our chances. My worry is we're becoming *so* wasteful, not sure how Ole/Staff can really do much about that as it's on the players to finish chances that the tactics/shape/approach create. The fact we're creating is good though.
The smartest post.
Exactly.
So you are fine with starting James, not subbing cavani on earlier, oun inability to play from the back, no aggressive pressure, terrible spacial awareness for both of their goals?
Are you saying our defense has progressed?
Are you saying we are not completely reliant on Bruno?
Do you thing our strikers progressed /improved their finishing? Or maybe their off the ball movement has improved?
You see the difference that Cavani makes. He's been coached properly for years and brings these qualities with him.
Are you saying our mentality has improved? Are we not crumbling as soon as under heavier pressure?
Ole's is the only football kit I own. I love the guy. I really do.
That said, I think top 4 battle is his ceiling and that's not enough for United.
You know you're being generous here
Players deserve blame for not being clinical and for switching off but this is what happens when you're set up to play counter attacking and there's no mid-game change of tactic or strong leadership from the sidelines.
What the hell was Pogba doing so high up and leaving all the ball playing for the defence and the two sitting midfielders. Same thing as against Everton with DVB. Utterly bizarre tactics of just putting them in high oppositions to 'put pressure on the defence' and neglect all actual attempt to control the game.
45% possession against a team that wasn't exactly pressing us like mad or particular high octane. It's just lowest common demoninator stuff being happy to play conservatively with high talent players (in comparison); I mean which of those in the Leicester squad would be in our first 11?
I'm pretty sure the majority are just treating this thread as a manager performance one, because the actual one in the performance forum is mostly dead.
I bet @MrSingh2002 who started this thread didn't expect it to reach +1000 pages.
So either make the Ole in the performance forum the main one to talk about Ole and close this or the opposite, I believe.
On the flip side, our strikers have been so good they put us in the position we are in at the moment. I'd argue the defence has been our issues.
Went the gym and missed this. Had a mate keeping me updated and sounded like we threw it away with missed chances. The difference a clinical number 9 would make.
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We can all nitpick it’s not a bad result, it’s not a great result but let’s take the point and move on.
I really feel if Greenwood played today we’d have won.
I really feel if Greenwood played today we’d have won.
Subbing Martial off is always the right decision for today, he was non existent.
Absolutely.
I've questioned Ole's ability to lead the club effectively, on occasion, but the board were/are never going to sack him short of a catastrophic run of results that see us in the bottom half of the table and falling, or failing to make top-four at the end of the season.
You could argue we are where we are because of games where they were clinical - Cavani vs Southampton or our ruthlessness vs Brighton or Rashfords clinical take vs Sheffield as examples.
That said - the league table on balance doesn't flatter us. We deserve to be 2nd and that points towards credit for Ole. I'm someone who has been vocal in criticism toward him but we look much better now than when we started and he's showing progression relative to other sides.
The only annoyance is I think he over "tinkers" with games. Vs top sides or bespoke set ups is understandable but taking left field options like Dan James vs Leicester is just silly. It's like when he started James vs Chelsea and everyone knew we'd be shit.
He did the same vs Newcastle btw, played James and we looked unbalanced and toothless, then when VDB and others game on we smashed them for 3 goals. I think he needs to just digest that Dan James is not a starter at all for us. There is no PL side I would risk starting James again, even Leeds where he looked alright enough on that day.
Draw against Leicester isn't the worst result and we are doing alright points wise. However we simply cannot defend and we won't achieve anything if we keep conceding 1.6 goals every game, it's way too much.
I missed the first half, watched second one only and thought it was mostly a weird game. Leicester indeed had the majority of ball possession, and felt they were "in control", but at the same they didn't trouble De Gea at all. We looked more dangerous going forward whenever we tried.You know you're being generous here
Players deserve blame for not being clinical and for switching off but this is what happens when you're set up to play counter attacking and there's no mid-game change of tactic or strong leadership from the sidelines.
What the hell was Pogba doing so high up and leaving all the ball playing for the defence and the two sitting midfielders. Same thing as against Everton with DVB. Utterly bizarre tactics of just putting them in high oppositions to 'put pressure on the defence' and neglect all actual attempt to control the game.
45% possession against a team that wasn't exactly pressing us like mad or particular high octane. It's just lowest common demoninator stuff being happy to play conservatively with elite players; I mean which of those in the Leicester squad would be in our first 11?
I can't say it was a wrong setup considering these 2 points : That they did nothing of note and we looked more dangerous going forward. We could have won, it's disappointing but I'm not that sad.
To be fair though, Leicester ended up missing a pretty crucial chance in last 2 minutes so I'll say it was even.
Rashford was worse. Give that 2 chances to Martial and we win. Rashford is bit tired as well.
My Dan James shall always play.
How is Martial going to get to those chances when he's not making any effort to get into the correct position anyway?
We lost because we missed to many chances and James playing was as good as playing with 10 men, Greenwood starts over james any day of the week and twice on a Sunday!
Rashford should been subbed at halftime and let Cavani play, Martial wasn't any better but at least he was running, Rashford was having a day off!!!!!
Rashford should been subbed at halftime and let Cavani play, Martial wasn't any better but at least he was running, Rashford was having a day off!!!!!
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