I can definetly see that we are pressing much higher up than last season. We are also playing more from the back and not just howling the ball long to a target man. James mctominay, Pereira and to some extend Lindgard are good at pressing imo but Rashford played very poorly yesterday. He didn't take part in the pressing. Our CB's are good as well in keeping a high line, there are just some players who needs to up their game a lot for the system to work.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Think majority of the negative posts are mostly the same people saying the same thing over and over again.
Exactly, at this stage we gotta dance with the one what brung ya.
While this is correct, this has nothing to do with what I said.
Sometimes progress is not linear, nor does it take a season.
Fergie took over a team mid-season and finished 11th. The following season he finished 2nd (1988). Then he finished 11th, 13th (+ FA CUP), then 6th, second and finally first.
Klopp (who I've always rated as a great coach) won nothing at Liverpool and was ridiculed by Mourinho sycophants here when we were winning the Mickey Mouse Cups. Then he finally won the big ears, and everyone suddenly shut the feck up and.
This would be well good if it was actually happening, but alas we still have Woodward ruling the roost, a bunch of 'world footballing scouts' who clearly don't exist, and a manager who sadly has no credentials to be here, nothing is happening other than the club once again setting the manager up to take the blame again.
I voted Ole to stay, but for no other reason than we will just go through the same again but with a different manager, and in Ole we might have someone who alot of fans aren't willing to take all the flak, so perhaps we'll see some sort movement to try and get real change this time.
If you think youth players should be pivotal starters automatically as you say you're having a laugh.
And Tuanzebe is good but outplayed Lindelof in 2 games? No, not really.
Greenwood is 17 year old and you'd want him to start every game. That would be brilliant for his development I reckon.
Yeah because failing at Cardiff is all he's ever done. Those eight months stuck at a sinking ship is what should define someone who's been in the game and bred success wherever he went for decades - both as a player and a coach. Cardiff - the club with an owner who changed the color of their kit because he believed in magic - that's all Solskjaer was ever about prior to joining us. You numbwits need to stop parroting eachother - it's beyond pathetic at this point
And yeah it's the worst start in decades I'll give you that and the rest of the season will probably be one of mediocrity as well - but don't forget that we were also in the worst state we've been in for thirty years when he came in - so what is making you put all this blame on Ole exactly? What's he done wrong so far - at our club?I've made a checklist here of what supporters expected from a new manager when Mourinho decided to throw us into the toilet but thankfully got sacked before having a chance to properly flush:
- Raising Morale: Check he's done that.
- Instilling some work ethics into the squad: Check he's done that.
- Getting rid of or at least sideline players who's heads were elsewhere and lacking the proper dedication / mercenaries / deadwood / whateverthefeckyoucallthem: Check he's doing that.
- Give youth a chance: Check he's done that.
- Sign players who are top class and actually appreciates playing here: Check he's done that.
- Adapt a more attractive style of football putting us back on the front foot: Check he's done that.
- Improve our defense: Check he's done that.
Now here's the things he's not done yet - or at least only partially:
- Improve our midfield: James is definitely an improvement and McTominay is someone who makes me miss Herrera less than I thought I would but we sorely need a proper creative force and per now we're suffering due to this.
- Improve our attack: Lukaku was good riddance but he was also our third best contributor offensively and it's proven a disastrous decision not to replace him as we have no natural finishers of proper age at present.
- Build a team of such quality it can successfully stand on it's front foot playing a more attractive style of football: They failed to improve midfield and attack so for now that's tough even though they do try their best.
Now in all honesty - two more signings is probably what separates us from looking a much better side this season - a solidified top-four even - and we'll probably get those come January. In my opinion t was a mistake of epic proportions not to get this done before entering this campaign and I believe they grossly overestimated the strength of certain members within our squad when deciding to proceed without reinforcing those areas - but to be honest that's the only thing I feel let down by since he took charge so even though we're currently paying a high price for that slip-up - I'm looking past that effortlessly. Especially as it seems he too has acknowledged this - and they're working on remedying the situation as soon as possible.
A poll on sacking Woodward maybe more appropriate.
That be 90% easily, stay votes would only be from non reds Shirley?
In a way yes, but we've spent more than enough money to be in a better position than we currently are since Moyes left. We've wasted it, made just comically bad choices. We could have recovered quicker from the mess Moyes made with some better management.
Do it.
He's going to be kept on, I'm sure but personally I'd sack him, and get a experienced manager in sooner rather than later, it's not working everyone can see it's not.
His positive attitude he had when brought in is quickly going, this is rubbing off on some of the players.
His positive attitude he had when brought in is quickly going, this is rubbing off on some of the players.
My vote is Sack. Now. (Woodward that is).
How many times in the Caf have you called for the head of LvG or Jose? Insanity is thinking that a managerial change will somehow be the elixir of life for this awful squad.
I guess you were okay with 5th, 4th, and 5th and a FA Cup of the LvG era? Plus boring football?
You were fine with Jose’s performance of 6th, 2nd and 8th and two trophies, pathetic displays by our most expensive player?
Or you’d rather go for Pochettino, who still hasn’t won a trophy in his entire career?
You have no understanding of how to build a squad, how long it will take, and what kind of investment needs. You’re just a results merchant, with a thin surface understanding of the game.
Of course, I guess I look at it as a great start, a silly decision to give him the role permanently, a terrible end and then summer where in reality he should have been moved on. In any other club the coach is moved on after our post PSG form.
Keep for now. If he does not have the courage to drop Lingard and Rashford and replace them with more intelligent players in January, then sack him.
When you read stuff like this on here you realise it's pointless debating with them.
If he wasn't a club legend that' be close to 100%
I have been a harsh critic of late but I think there's no point sacking him at this point, as
1. We have no DoF to help facilitate a transition to another manager to ensure this doesn't happen again
2. There's no good replacement available mid-season and I'd like the new person to be given a full summer.
If he gets his starting 11 right (stops playing Rashy and Lingy because they have 'potential', etc.), he might still be the right man but he needs to make a lot more good signings, especially in midfield.
1. We have no DoF to help facilitate a transition to another manager to ensure this doesn't happen again
2. There's no good replacement available mid-season and I'd like the new person to be given a full summer.
If he gets his starting 11 right (stops playing Rashy and Lingy because they have 'potential', etc.), he might still be the right man but he needs to make a lot more good signings, especially in midfield.
Looking forward to the meltdown on here when Ole signs a new improved four year contract tomorrow.
And on a poll for Ed Woodward, just call me Shirley.
And on a poll for Ed Woodward, just call me Shirley.
Is Zizou available?
Not true, we're not all spoilt little Princesses you know.
That's a terribly long way of saying you don't know who you would pick as alternatives, and likely don't fully understand what they'll even be doing at the club, like the rest of us.
Very true, knows just about enough to have a whinge.
Zizou is doing magic with his trash-squad. None of those on RM would walk into our starting eleven.
Woodward should have been fired 5 years ago. He's an absolute clown.
Thanks for writing that up. A body of Ole's big talk that he hasn't backed up. If he coached half as good as he talked we'd be a solid team. He quite frankly doesn't know how to set teams up to attack. The initial excitement wore off and the wheels fell off.
He hasn't got a clue. I'm genuinely shocked 60% are still willing to give him another game after the worst start in 30 years. Even with new signings like Maguire, AWB and James.
I believe if Jose had two defenders like them for his third season as he should have, we could've seriously challenged for cup competitions and guaranteed a top 4 finish last season.
As it happened they didn't back him and he lost his own motivation and want to be at the club. When that happens.... Jose brings the house down.
I agree, give him time to build the team as he wants it & get rid of the dead wood and buy players to free Pogba from defensive duties, a decent striker and good back up for the defence. Personally Im still not convinced Pogba wants to be at United even if he was played in his favoured position so Id give him till the end of the season.
Keep. Early days. Get a grip lads, it’s getting ridiculous.
Surely to God that fraud of a man - Ed Woodward should be the one in the firing line more than Ole?
WTF, has he done to still be in the job?
WTF, has he done to still be in the job?
10 months isn’t “early days”.
A bunch of cliches, just like Ole’s interviews.
This! I’m from Cardiff and know all too well how poor that side was and more importantly how much of a nut house it is, the owner makes Abramovich look tame, especially that season in particular, he wanted to be involved in every decision, changed the clubs colours and wanted to replace the bluebird with a feckin dragon.
Parading around like some crazy dictator with his pants around his tits and a football shirt tucked into them.
Imagine answering to that when your fighting relegation
Keep for the rest of the season but actively look for a replacement. Sack ole at the end of the season. Really and truly he isnt fit to manage any top 10 club
Get rid of both. Ed moves purely to the commercial side. New director of football of Pochettinos choosing and bring in Pochettino. That's how City got Guardiola by getting his man Txiki Begiristain first.
Eds last action and ONLY chance at leaving a positive legacy would be to make that happen using anything and everything he has got.
Ole was appointed March 28th, so 6 months ago, off which 3-months have been a summer break.
GET
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GRIP
We can't keep sacking managers. The deficiencies in the squad are plain for all to see and that's something Solskjaer inherited. I'd say it'll take another 3 to 4 transfer windows to sort out.
Ah, so now we’re counting his appointment from it became permanent, good one, how many wins he got since then, 3? 4?
Sack Ole and hire Zidane
Yes because nobody still supporting him has ever put forth a proper argument as to why they choose to do so - right? It's all just sentimental blind loyalty. Sheesh - the only people using that argument are his haters - to stuff it in the mouth of whoever disagrees with their hate then use it to discredit them. The intellectual equivalent of drawing a mustache on someone and then dismiss them for not having shaved. I've not once seen or heard anyone say we should be extra lenient on him for being a club legend - but hey in lack of proper argumentation just making shit up is probably the way to go.
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He's been coaching the squad for 10 months, mate.
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