Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole end of season & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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Eddy_JukeZ

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Still think there's better managers out there, but credit to him. We look much better lately.
 

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Yes it could be.

So as of now I can only judge him on where we were when he took over versus now. With things I care about

Connection to players and club
Signings
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Youth development
Player improvement
My own sense he has a vision and plan
Style/identity

In all of these categories I would say we are infinitely better, albeit not as much on some as others.

Replacing him in summer would be a dreadful move unless we tail off like last season
He has excelled in most of those points:

Connection to players and club: Everyone talks positively about him, the players, the board "laying foundation for Ole to succeed", so he must be doing something right there...

Signings: AWB, Maguire, Bruno, James all had a fantastic game yesterday (albeit James could have looked up for better options..) and generally AWB and Maguire have been one of the best players for us this season, Bruno already making a mark.. Odion has been positive with every cameo so far as well..

Sales: Got rid of that fat tank up front with that excuse of a first touch (imagine him yesterday on the counter...), got rid of Mr. High Wage, got rid of Captain Cashley, Rojo, etc... progressive clearout, long way to go but we are definitely in the right direction in the clear-out so far...

Youth Development: Williams and Greenwood have been quite remarkable this season and in queue we have other exciting names waiting...

Player improvement: FRED! What a turnaround, Ole kept the faith in him, pushed him to do more and look what a season Fred is having. Martial looks better this season, already equaling his best season tally (although I expect more from him at times), Rashford looks better and more dangerous, Shaw, Matic, McTominay....

Vision and Plan: This season we have given a fair opportunity to ALL of the players of the squad in case fans here did not notice, it has been perfect to give the manager an idea about who will stay and who will leave. I was watching MOTD and Jenas sais something very interesting like: Before United used to put a first 11 "hoping" they would have a good game and that the formation works, whereas now they have a squad with belief today and that is so true.
People nag about defensive tactics etc, but this is respecting the opponent and acknowledging our limitation, we are still lacking players in some areas so we cannot play on the front foot or go toe-to-toe against better sides (like City game). City only have one style of play and we have the perfect style to counter it so why not use it? Against the weaker sides we have pushed teams lately and had good possession against them.

Style/Identity: The squad mix is quite good, academy players: Rashford, McTominay, Greenwood, Williams already part of the first-team squad, experienced players in Matic, Maguire, Fred, Bruno, Lindelof, Ighalo, Romero.. world class players in Pogba (I don't like him but he's a Man United player for now) and De Gea. Pretty much like the way we have always lined up in SAF days, we do need an upgrade on some players and to continue the clear-out, but the synergy in the squad is really starting to show since we got Bruno, huge impact on the state of the squad honestly and you can't but be excited for the coming games because with the returns of Pogba and Rashford we can only get better...

Overall the season has had so many ups-and-downs but it is not over yet so let us stick behind the team and see how far we can go. We have a chance of Top4/3 finish, EL and the cup, so our season is not over yet.
 

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Yes there are. Pep, Klopp, Poch. We seem to get these kind of results pretty regularly under OGS but it does seem like the team is one dimensional. Its valid to be concerned about that as to win a title, we need to be better than that. That said, he seems to be very effective in these kinds of games.
Pep failed to do it with the side he inherited! Klopp needed time as well to make it his side and same goes for Poch. As I'm saying, there aren't many managers who can perform magic with big teams and smaller ones
 

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Great result, a shame chelsea won too. Not gonna get carried away yet, but if he continues like this and delivers CL and maybe some silverware he's earned another season.
 

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Earned it in my eyes at least. The precedent has been set and we've sacked managers for failing to deliver CL before so Ole should be held to that standard also. Hopefully he can get it done.
Think we've taken that pressure off him, whether we finish 3rd, 4th, 5th or 9th Ole will be in charge next season, and it's probably the right decision, though time will tell.
 

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I think if he finishes in the top 4 and with a good run in the Europa (semis or so), then he would have earned the right to go again next season. Loved Ole as a player, hopefully he can make this job his own.
 

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Once again, I am happy we won today but if Mourinho employed this small-time tactical approach most of you would be falling over yourselves asking for the sack.
The Mourinho style is very different with our current style. One big difference is the Jose team almost never did any high press but yesterday we high pressed the shit out of City. We're basically reactive under Jose but very proactive now. The current football reminds me a lot of the football under SAF and the last match feels just like us against Arsenal in those old days.

And comparing Mourinho to Ole is just wrong. My biggest problem with Jose was he employed his small time underdog tactic with basically everyone. Even against the likes of Brighton or Burnley at OT, we're United ffs. While it's nothing wrong to play counter football against a stronger opponent. It'd be stupid and suicidal otherwise.

And for this thread, as I said about 2-3 months ago, it's just utterly pointless. Ole will stay at least this season.

I haven't visited this thread since and today I just wanna have a quick look after the win. It doesn't surprise me at all however the negativity and agenda from some like you is just ridiculous tbh.
 
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“Let’s not get carried away” is the most annoying sentiment here.
How about let’s get carried away. Let’s get dreaming of what Ole could do if he has Pogba, Rashford and Bruno all season. Let’s dream of where we’d been if we had not missed 50% of all missed penalties in the league this year. Where we’d be if Ole recruits just two players who are as good as the rest of his signings this summer.
If you can’t see why we should be getting carried away at the moment, think what you want out of a football team!
 

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Solskjær doubter myself but always held the opinion that I hoped he'd turn it around when things were sour. Very pleased with how we've looked for some time now. We look very composed and organized in the back but also going forward. Bruno could very well be the missing link to complete the puzzle. Also very happy that he seems to have realized that Lingard just doesn't have it. Perhaps helped a bit by Lingards agent swap.
 

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“Let’s not get carried away” is the most annoying sentiment here.
How about let’s get carried away. Let’s get dreaming of what Ole could do if he has Pogba, Rashford and Bruno all season. Let’s dream of where we’d been if we had not missed 50% of all missed penalties in the league this year. Where we’d be if Ole recruits just two players who are as good as the rest of his signings this summer.
If you can’t see why we should be getting carried away at the moment, think what you want out of a football team!
I've felt like this way for a while.
 

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That's the joke.
“Let’s not get carried away” is the most annoying sentiment here.
How about let’s get carried away. Let’s get dreaming of what Ole could do if he has Pogba, Rashford and Bruno all season. Let’s dream of where we’d been if we had not missed 50% of all missed penalties in the league this year. Where we’d be if Ole recruits just two players who are as good as the rest of his signings this summer.
If you can’t see why we should be getting carried away at the moment, think what you want out of a football team!
Indeed. “Let’s not carried away” and “we’ll evaluate him at the end of the season”. No other manager who be getting these comments off the back of our current run, no other.

He’s doing a great job, all the signs are there and league points will follow.
 

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He's done very well lately. But we've been through this before and we should not make the same mistake.

Let him go in the summer.
 

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Indeed. “Let’s not carried away” and “we’ll evaluate him at the end of the season”. No other manager who be getting these comments off the back of our current run, no other.

He’s doing a great job, all the signs are there and league points will follow.
It's PTSD mate... You know how many times I've gotten carried away with this team only for them to feck shit up again :lol:. I'm sure people are going into games more hopeful and confident but also cautious
 

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He's done very well lately. But we've been through this before and we should not make the same mistake.

Let him go in the summer.
Sure - lets get rid of the guy who has made more good signings in 12 months than LvG, Mourinho and Moyes combined did in 5 years.

Sure - lets get rid of the guy who is on 10 game unbeaten run

Sure - lets get rid of the first guy since Ferguson who get every player to work their socks off for the team

Sure - lets get rid of the guy who has made Fred and Rashford lift their game 50%
 

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"Tossers" now? :lol:

I hope everyone who's backed Ole to the hilt is as smug as can be come May, nothing will please me more. But calling out fans as "tossers" for being pissed at that first half season in which Ole was lucky he had a board that had patience enough to give him January and seriously back him, really?

I think we're onto something here. Matic being brought back in, Ighalo looks a superb short term signing, and Fernandes is just :drool:
Nah in fairness some posters have been pathetic in their posts about Ole.

I for one will be smug if we continue in this vein but I’m not the type to rub it in.

The recruitment and intended approach have been there from the start with Ole.
He's done very well lately. But we've been through this before and we should not make the same mistake.

Let him go in the summer.
Sorry what... If that’s the case shall we let go of Fred? Shaw? and anybody else who’s improved? :lol:
 

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I’d keep him, even if just for the fact that the players seem to be buying into his project, that’s something we haven’t had for a long time, they all sing his praises in interviews too, the whole club is growing together and remembering that they’re actually a team to fear rather than a banter club.
He’s successfully identifying and addressing the problems we’ve had in the team for years now.
I say give him a proper summer to sort out the right wing and maybe get a striker in, then we can judge him.. I’m not convinced Pochettino is the answer, it’s worrying that he wasn’t able to win a single thing with that spurs squad... they were far and away a better team than we were over the last few years, so if he’s the alternative I’d rather we just give this some breathing space and let it build naturally, then go after someone like nagelsmann somewhere down the line if it all goes wrong again..
 

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For all his faults, Ole’s man-management cant really be questioned anymore.

The self belief, progress and work ethic in the players is so much better.

No matter how the performance is through the games, they give it all.

Mentality is a very important factor in any good team, and I think alot of people underestimate that.
 

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Sure - lets get rid of the guy who has made more good signings in 12 months than LvG, Mourinho and Moyes combined did in 5 years.

Sure - lets get rid of the guy who is on 10 game unbeaten run

Sure - lets get rid of the first guy since Ferguson who get every player to work their socks off for the team

Sure - lets get rid of the guy who has made Fred and Rashford lift their game 50%
I have been Ole Out and will remain so due to the fact that I do not believe he is the manager that will win you the big trophies. What you said is not enough. Ole has improved but as I sometimes previously mentioned, with his perfect squad and all the signing he can make I do not think he will be more then a 3rd/4th place manager, with a cup win there and then. We should be aiming to win the EPL and CL and I do not ever see it under Ole. This is what most of the Ole Out believe even if we (hopefully) make it to CL football next year.
 

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Still not convinced he is the man to get us consistently beating the Bournemouth, Evertons, Burnleys away from home on a consistent basis, which is what you need to fight for title.

To rally the troops and make them fight in big games where everyone is watching, is something we've more or less had all throughout our bad spell.
 

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I have been Ole Out and will remain so due to the fact that I do not believe he is the manager that will win you the big trophies. What you said is not enough. Ole has improved but as I sometimes previously mentioned, with his perfect squad and all the signing he can make I do not think he will be more then a 3rd/4th place manager, with a cup win there and then. We should be aiming to win the EPL and CL and I do not ever see it under Ole. This is what most of the Ole Out believe even if we (hopefully) make it to CL football next year.
If we do that consistently for a couple of years after the many years of chaos, I'd take tha for now.

Stability in the top is a prerequisite for getting that first place.

Still not convinced he is the man to get us consistently beating the Bournemouth, Evertons, Burnleys away from home on a consistent basis, which is what you need to fight for title.

To rally the troops and make them fight in big games where everyone is watching, is something we've more or less had all throughout our bad spell.
Yeah, and our list of fixtures after Spurs and Sheffield is exactly that, so it will be very interesting to see.
 
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Sure - lets get rid of the guy who has made more good signings in 12 months than LvG, Mourinho and Moyes combined did in 5 years.

Sure - lets get rid of the guy who is on 10 game unbeaten run

Sure - lets get rid of the first guy since Ferguson who get every player to work their socks off for the team

Sure - lets get rid of the guy who has made Fred and Rashford lift their game 50%
But he’s only managed Molde and cardiff and sir pep has got to a final with spurs!!!!

! I think that’s what gets said here
 

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I think he's earned the right to carry on next season now regardless. Sure I can understand the people who want to judge him if he gets us into the champions league or not. But the evidence is there now that he's making clear progress. If you don't see it...

The energy in the team. They look like a team now who believe in what they're doing.

The quality in midfield given that area has been a wasteland for years. Just think about all the folks who knee-jerked on Fred. He's turned into a really good player. McTominay likewise. Matic has surprised me I didn't think he'd get that form back. Certainly with Fred and McTominay Solskjaer has done really well in trusting them.

Lots of positives. Add Rashford. Add Pogba or someone like Grealish. Have a go at getting Sancho. This could turn into something good and it's been a long time since we could think that.
 

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But he’s only managed Molde and cardiff and sir pep has got to a final with spurs!!!!

! I think that’s what gets said here
It's bewildering, we shouldn't be focusing on the draws/losses against the smaller teams. Those results will turn around when more quality is added to the squad. The hardest thing in football is beating teams that is around your level or higher on a consistent basis and Ole seems to be able to do that. Something that Pochettino for example struggled with massively.

Give him a war chest in the Summer and allow him to bring in a few more players. It's exciting.
 

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It's bewildering, we shouldn't be focusing on the draws/losses against the smaller teams. Those results will turn around when more quality is added to the squad. The hardest thing in football is beating teams that is around your level or higher on a consistent basis and Ole seems to be able to do that. Something that Pochettino for example struggled with massively.

Give him a war chest in the Summer and allow him to bring in a few more players. It's exciting.
But if Poch had a warchest would he not then beat the 3-4 big teams? Just a question.

I’ve always said that our long term view is not to have a cheque book manager. Yes we need good players but we can not sustain blowing a bag just to try and compete every year. We need create a team within that is top level.
 

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But if Poch had a warchest would he not then beat the 3-4 big teams? Just a question.

I’ve always said that our long term view is not to have a cheque book manager. Yes we need good players but we can not sustain blowing a bag just to try and compete every year. We need create a team within that is top level.
Think they are going for a semi-solution now. Buying big but buying young (Yes, Fernandes is 26 but still) so they dont need to do it every other year.
 

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So I opened this thread in incognito mode and it seems like the poll is visible to the public? That's pretty embarrassing...
 

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I've always said that Ole feels like one of the fans running the team...

We all hated Fallaini & Sanchez ...Ole got rid.
We moaned that we needed a good CB, RB, Creative C and better LB option than Shaw, Ole sorted that,
Lingard & Jones have been gash, they are now backup players. Its like he sees what we all see, and what we've all been moaning about for ages, unlike previous managers.

Add to that the way he has turned round Fred & Matic, he deserves another transfer window.

Get him Sancho & a quality striker and we will be up there.

Voted to give him more time. Never changed
You know what this means, don't you? Ole is on the redcafe and he's taking notes. We're essentially running the club now!
 

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But if Poch had a warchest would he not then beat the 3-4 big teams? Just a question.

I’ve always said that our long term view is not to have a cheque book manager. Yes we need good players but we can not sustain blowing a bag just to try and compete every year. We need create a team within that is top level.
I don't think he would. His Tottenham team at its peak was on par with Citys as the best in the league and he still struggled to win games against the top 6. He wasn't able to shake that mentality out of Tottenham and I also don't rate him as a tactical manager, he has one way of playing and rarely mixed it up. He was therefore very predictable.

He was able to motivate his team to blow away the teams he should be beating mind and he did also manage to pick up some excellent results in the Champions League. But his domestic form was lets be real, underwhelming. He should have got Tottenham a trophy or two with the team they had and the form of his rivals being fairly shit.

I still rate him as a Manager as he's clearly very good at rebuilding squads and taking them to a very competitive level, but there's still a very big question mark on whether he has the ability to rise to the very top and win silverware on a regular basis. I wouldn't have been upset if we had brought him in last summer and didn't sign up Ole long term as I think they both would perform the same task, rebuilding us too a competitive level. But I have my doubts with both Managers on whether either can truly take us back up to the levels of Sir Alex and winning titles.

Personally, i'm happy with having either come in and rebuilding us as that was clearly what we needed as a club and if Ole cant take us the final step then he'd be able to leave the club with his head held high knowing he took us up several levels and left us in a far better position. Poch was precisely the same with his time at Tottenham.

Disclaimer, i'm not saying Ole is the same level ability wise as Pochettino as Poch clearly has reached higher peaks in his career so far. Merely that as things stand I feel Ole can take us to the same levels that Poch did at Tottenham and i'm not convinced Poch could push us any more than he did while he was at Tottenham.
 

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Poll reopened for us fickle fans to vote. I’ll leave it open until end of season

For posterity 51% would sack him as per results of poll 20 february
20% would have him finish the season then replaced
Or fans like me, who voted keep from the start but as the poll evolved to the new three options now must vote again :D
 

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Can't wait for all the "finally he's doing what I said he should have done all along" posts to begin. Only seen a few "he used to be so naive, finally he's learned, if only he'd listend to me before" posts
 

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We’re headed in the right direction, finally, and have a team that’s actually worth supporting again. Ole deserves recognition for that.

Still don’t think he’s cut out for a title race. Or a race for 4th, honestly. I guess we should start celebrating every Chelsea victory because their wins inspire us more than their dropped points.
 

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We’re headed in the right direction, finally, and have a team that’s actually worth supporting again. Ole deserves recognition for that.

Still don’t think he’s cut out for a title race. Or a race for 4th, honestly. I guess we should start celebrating every Chelsea victory because their wins inspire us more than their dropped points.
What makes you say this? The man won many titles and knows exactly what grinding out results is all about.
 

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Still not convinced he is the man to get us consistently beating the Bournemouth, Evertons, Burnleys away from home on a consistent basis, which is what you need to fight for title.

To rally the troops and make them fight in big games where everyone is watching, is something we've more or less had all throughout our bad spell.
To be fair, Fergie wasn't that man either. We probably dropped more points to Everton and Burnley away than we did any of the top 4.

And no we didn't. We have been the top 6 whipping boys for a long time.
 

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Another positive I noticed in his post match interview on sky was that he notices the missed chances, particularly the clear chances we had to cutback in the box to a player (usually Bruno) following into the box.

This is a key area we can improve, I'm certain that if we had cutback on those occasions yesterday we would have scored at least one more goal. Bruno was furious with Dan James and not too happy with Martial in the first half.

Ole mentioned all three/four occasions it happened and said that's an area he wants to improve.

He ALSO mentioned again that he wants to improve on the press and maintaining possession to avoid being under pressure towards the end of games against teams like City.

Those are two key areas I was thinking about during the match yesterday and he came out and mentioned both in his post match interview. Buzzing.
 

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There has been a big improvement by Ole since the break. The signings has helped him drop some of the underperforming players, return of some and improvement of Shaw and Martial has really rejuvenated the squad. My decision is still sack at end of season unless he can continue this consistency till the end and secure top 4.

Also to see his anger on the bench when James did not pass was a fresh of breath air. He needs to keep that intensity in other games.