Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole end of season & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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Mainoldo

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I can't believe you wasted so much of your own time typing all this in the last couple of pages (which i barely skimmed, obv). That's not wumming, its crossed far beyond the line into some sort of weird obsession. All I can say is you know nothing about squad building, and sound like the typical armchair CEO you can easily find a dime a dozen on twitter.
Come on. Give him a break nobody likes Top Red talk. If people want to study football other than just turning up to match games and getting drunk there’s nothing wrong with that.
 

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We really have MikeLuhg here,

Hope this helps.
But what you don't have is arguments or facts to refute anything I'm saying. What you do have are personal attacks and cheap jokes. I hope that helps because the truth is not going anywhere.

Have some respect. He’s a club legend. He might not of had the start that managers like SAF, Pep or Klopp had but not every winner have luxurious starts look at Ranieri. It’s a process as LVG would say. You can’t deny players like Martial, Rashford and McTominay have improved under his management and under the mates club coaching staff.

So even though everything points to him being crap I’m backing him me. Don’t ask me why I’m just a romantic and imagine how good it would feel for Ole to win us back the title!

Stop moaning get behind your manager.
I don't give two shits about Ole unless he's helping the club. Since the moment he came he's been doing the opposite so he needs to go. If he was such a legend he wouldn't call fans fake for protesting the Glazers, he wouldn't call the Glazers family, he wouldn't lie about their investment, he wouldn't accept a thin squad so Glazers can save money, he wouldn't call Glazers bad for United as a player but suck up to them now that he's the manager, he wouldn't talk about how top 4 is not good enough for United while at Molde, but the minute he comes here top 4 is all he talks about etc.

Rashford 'improved' by the way of penalty anomaly this season and Pogba being hurt in that time. His open play goal record didn't get much better. And yes, I know penalties are part of the game, but this many penalties isn't normal and won't happen again + being dependent on penalties isn't a good thing.

McTominay improved? How? We were in relegation battle while he was holding the midfield. The minute he got injured and Matić took over we improved by a landslide. He's not a good player.

Martial did improve, I'll give him that. Although I am still on the fence who helped who more.

In the end, that much improvement from individuals should help the team right? Why is it not then?

You're a clown and an utter embarrassment to human beings. Hope this helps.
Whatever helps you sleep.

Well actually it looks like he clearly does as no one is sacking him any time soon regardless of what you write here.
And that's not a positive for Manchester United regardless of how much you buy the bullshit he's selling.

Wow. This is some peak LUHG stuff. Get a grip son, you're embarrassing.
I'm sorry - is love United, hate Glazers 'mantra' supposed to be a negative around here? An insult? Isn't that what every United fan should be?

I don't understand why you people think being positive about anything and supporting whatever the flavor of the month is a sign of being a great fan and anyone who doesn't do it is an embarrassment? There's nothing positive about being positive ALL the time no matter what.

United isn't winning EPL titles and I'm here trolling just for the sake of it. We're literally experiencing some of the worst moments ever in the history of our club and the one who dares to point out the hypocrisy and lack of standards and bullshit of our 'legend' is embarrassing. Then I'm proud to be it thanks.


Why the feck is record as caretaker irrelevant? And as for the Cardiff bit, I'm comparing his record against managers who managed them in Championship- which should put Ole at a disadvantage.
Ditto for Phelan
Alvarez wasn't sacked, he literally gave an interview a few days ago confirming the same. Plus, Dave had declined a bit under Alvarez

Also, I do hope that you're banned soon :)
I literally explained in the next sentence why it's irrelevant. Or at least why it shouldn't be combined with the permanent role. It literally has a different name, different job completely - you're taking care of something until the next guy comes. You don't get to hire your own staff, you don't get to make decisions on signings etc. etc.

Why would I care about Championship? It's a lower league. But fine, let's talk about his time at Cardiff shall we? He took them (after they won the Championship comfortably the year before) in PL when they were out of relegation zone and won 18 points after 20 rounds, -17 GD. They finished dead last with 30 points and -42 GD. Then next season in Championship he left them in 17th place, they finished 11th after he left. Yay, you really got me on this one.

I didn't see that Alvarez interview. I apologize, I was wrong on the firing thing. Doesn't help that Ole still got an amateur to train our players though.

Also, Idc. My life won't be any worse or better either way. I come here once or twice to spend my post limit for the day and be on my way. I don't troll, I try to write good posts supported with good arguments and facts. If me being critical of the worst season in 30 years and the manager that oversaw it is somehow ban-worthy then so be it. Not aware that's the case though.

No. Moyes had 50%. He won 17 out of 34 games. That's exactly 50%. I posted the actual facts in my original post. Please read it again, stop making stuff up, and go see a doctor.
At least stop acting like an absolute jacka** in this thread. Go jerk off in the Allegri thread or something instead.
I have to apologize again here. I saw an article that had Moyes at 52.94, but after checking myself I see that was the wrong information. Let's celebrate Ole for being 0.8% better then. Yay.

Again with the personal attacks my God. Why does the constructive criticism of one of the worst managers ever and a horrible season we're having under his guidance bother you so much? Is this not a thread where we talk pros and cons of having Ole as a manager?

Also, no thanks. I jerk off to Allegri in a dark room with his greatest hits in the background.

Okay lets talk facts..

Moyes took over a title winning team - FACT
Ole took over a team in 6th - FACT

Moyes took over a team that had Rio, Vidic, Evra, DDG, Rooney, RVP, Carrick, Giggs etc.
Ole took over with Smalling, Lindelof, Pogba, Lukaku, Bailly, Fred, Rashford, Martial

Moyes spent £70m on Mata and Fellaini....
Okay, let's...

Moyes took over a title winning team - FACT
Ole took over a team in 6th - ehhh...not really. He did take over the team when they were 6th but the season was far from over. That team finished 2nd in the last full season before that.
We were in an even worse position at the same point this season - FACT

Oh, I'm not defending Moyes at all. One of the worst managers ever anywhere, not just at United. Ole being basically even with him is not something to brag though. 50% win rate is baaaad, very bad unless you're Crystal Palace or something. Are we Crystal Palace?

Also, let's talk some more facts..

Did Ole or did he not get rid of Mourinho's 'deadwood'?
Did Ole or did he not have great recruitment this season?
Did Ole or did he not cultivate an amazing dressing room atmosphere?

And finally, if your answer to those is 'yes', how is it possible we're having such a poor season overall?

I'm impressed. Really. Must take a load of effort and time to come up with this. You must manage your time very well.
Most of all though, I must admit that you handle logical arguments as exceptionally as de Gea handled Sarr's shot.
It doesn't take a lot of time at all really because I don't come up with anything. This is all factual and, most importantly, publicly available information to anyone. Only those who don't want to don't see it.

What it proves is that you've no interest in discussing anything to do with United on here when the team are performing well.

Its the very essence of agenda posting and why I'm not engaging with any of your fachts, especially as you're cherry picking the win rate and have admitted that for this team top 4 would be a success if it wasn't for Glazer reasons.

Maybe you're not angry or irrational but it definitely comes across that way.

Hopefully, we win the next two games and this thread can be closed.
And when would that be that the team was performing 'well'? I 'left' two months before the team started doing 'well'. A little purple patch in a terrible season is not doing well. Unfortunately for Ole fanboys it's not possible to dissect the season and cherry pick which patches of form are taken into account. Every team has to play 38 games and the overall season counts no matter what Ole fanboys would let you believe.

1. I'm not cherry picking anything. It's public knowledge that caretaker and permanent manager are two completely different jobs.
2. What makes it even worse is you think a couple percentage points from the caretaker period somehow makes Ole's job here better :lol:
3. Yes, for a team with normal owners who want to invest money, who want to spend money, who want to win and have ambition - CL qualification would be a positive yes. For the leeches that own our club though it isn't good because there's 15 years of evidence of them spending significantly less when in CL. Common sense really. If it was the other way around I would root for CL too.

If that's what's going to be the best for Man Utd then I hope for the exact same thing.

That is exactly how it works. Owners money. Even if ManUtd generate money through it's name from various places it is Glazers. You can talk about "own" money but the club owner decides where his money goes. If he wanted to invest 1% or 99% in the club, it is his choice. It is how this kind of ownership works. Than as I said, it is not perfect but it is reality. Best would be if the club was owned by fans or with 51%-rule some countries have. But it is not the case. And the soon you accept that we are owned the better.

You like words like standards and facts. To have high standards is not the same to not understanding where we are, have been and where we are going. Sometimes you got to take few steps back to go forward. And for your facts I see that you love to take out facts from its context that would back you. Meaning also you don't put all the facts on the table. Suddenly, it doesn't count if you are caretaker. As an example. Like if those months have been erased from football. What is next? We don't count some months? Maybe January? What about September? Do we just look at PL or all competitions? Do we look only at PL (as a name) or going back to Newton Heath era?

If you see the plan, if you can feel and see the progress then you deserve time. Solskjaer is no different to any of other managers. History is past. Now is now. Tell me what did Guardiola have for credentials to become Barcelona manager? Or Zidane to become Real Madrid manager? I am also pretty sure that Ferguson wouldn't be here for so long if you were owner. You don't remember who things went first 5-6 years?

And now to your question. Try to understand.
We had 6-7 years of total mess with recruiting right/wrong people. Changes every year meant no steady grund to work from and we fell from the top. We had a team that was unbalanced and when Mourinho left we were a club that lost our compass and nobody knew were it would end. We were in really, really bad condition. We took in someone who could steer this in right direction and as least brighten up this place. He did that and got permanent job. Now comes the work. Find right players for the team and develop the team. That takes time. It is a progress. Stop looking at points all the time. Look instead at progress of the team and club. Progress that is clear to see. I understand Solskjaer is not a fancy manager (for you as younger fan?) but he is doing very good work.
I'm sorry mate - you have no clue what you're talking about. Company money and personal money are two different things. United doesn't dominate the sponsorships and marketing because it's owned by the Glazers. United dominates it because it's a global brand. We'd earn the same money, and even more, without the Glazers. They literally took billions out of the club, that's not how it works. End of.

Where have we been is in a bad state with Mourinho. Then we got a club 'legend' who improved recruitment and got rid of bad players from Mourinho's team. Now we're even worse. It's quite obvious where we're going.

I explained a 100 times why caretaker is different, not gonna go over it again.

1. I don't see a plan and certainly don't see or feel the progress.
2. Solskjaer is very different to managers you keep bringing on. He's a failure, they weren't.
3. Neither Pep or Zidane had more credentials than Ole when they became managers. But they brought instant results and proved themselves right away. Ole failed that very small part.
4. 40 years ago a man who would become the goat manager succeeded in completely different times, so this failed Cardiff manager must be on the same path.

Ole is literally two rounds from finishing the worst season in 30 years. End of. There's no good work there, there's no progress.

I can't believe you wasted so much of your own time typing all this in the last couple of pages (which i barely skimmed, obv). That's not wumming, its crossed far beyond the line into some sort of weird obsession. All I can say is you know nothing about squad building, and sound like the typical armchair CEO you can easily find a dime a dozen on twitter.
I can't believe you obv don't care and obv barely skimmed something, but know without a doubt the whole content of it and can successfully 'diagnose' it and took time to respond to it (even though you obv don't care). You're either a genius or a blind sheep who can't think for itself so just follows where the wind takes it. Kudos either way.
 

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But what you don't have is arguments or facts to refute anything I'm saying. What you do have are personal attacks and cheap jokes. I hope that helps because the truth is not going anywhere.
Others have already done it, no need to repeat the same posts again and again, also your facts are just fachts.
 

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ILC- you’re wasting your time trying to state the obvious that Ole isn’t good enough & we’re just wasting our time with him.

‘Top reds’ think it’s far better to ignore all the evidence in front of us & that Ole will just suddenly not be Shite at tactics & in game management I guess, who knows their thinking, but I wouldn’t debate them as they’re far too gone to be rational
 

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Okay, let's...

Moyes took over a title winning team - FACT
Ole took over a team in 6th - ehhh...not really. He did take over the team when they were 6th but the season was far from over. That team finished 2nd in the last full season before that.
We were in an even worse position at the same point this season - FACT

Oh, I'm not defending Moyes at all. One of the worst managers ever anywhere, not just at United. Ole being basically even with him is not something to brag though. 50% win rate is baaaad, very bad unless you're Crystal Palace or something. Are we Crystal Palace?

Also, let's talk some more facts..

Did Ole or did he not get rid of Mourinho's 'deadwood'?
Did Ole or did he not have great recruitment this season?
Did Ole or did he not cultivate an amazing dressing room atmosphere?

And finally, if your answer to those is 'yes', how is it possible we're having such a poor season overall?
We are talking about when he took over the team, which was in December so half a season was played. 6th. end of.

Have you ever heard of rebuild in your life?

When you renovate your house, do you buy new furniture first then ?

No, you get rid of evrything you do not want first. It doesn't happen over night.

We have a board that will not let us do it in one window either, so you have to take a realistic approach. This season was never one for us to win the league, if we get top 4, we have achieved what we set out to do this season.

1. Get rid of deadwoods - he has done 50%, more still to go.
2. First team signings - We have recruited well, some would say we over paid but hey, we have overpaid before and it hasnt worked out. It has worked out because our defence is better.
3. Atmosphere - even when we were losing and having a hard time, the players played for the manager, that should tell you something about how the players feel about Ole.
4. Improvement of players - Shaw, Lindelof, Fred, McTominay, Martial, Rashford have all improved under Ole
5. Integrating youth - Ole has done that, Greenwood, Williams and even the likes of Garner, Mengi, Chong are all slowly being integrated.

These things cannot happen overnight.

Whether Ole is the man to take us to the title or not, I do not know, neither do you.

However; do I think there is a manager who can take us to the title? No, there isnt.
 

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Because we should totally model our decisions based on Cardiff FC
I didn’t say that. Someone flippantly said ‘oh we’ll never sack Ole’ , well I’m just saying the mighty Cardiff thought he wasn’t good enough for them
 

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ILC- you’re wasting your time trying to state the obvious that Ole isn’t good enough & we’re just wasting our time with him.

‘Top reds’ think it’s far better to ignore all the evidence in front of us & that Ole will just suddenly not be Shite at tactics & in game management I guess, who knows their thinking, but I wouldn’t debate them as they’re far too gone to be rational
The evidence shows De Gea made mistakes that cost Ole points in at least 4 league games.

Evidence shows Ole had to make do without not 1, not 2, but 3 of his best players for months at the start of the season.

Evidence shows the squad players recruited by previous regimes just aren't good enough. (Which Ole is trying to rectify)

Evidence shows Ole has a superb record against the big six and the style of football has improved immeasurably.

Your lot are all glory hunters, no gratitude or understanding of a club legend and the step by step process he is overseeing, which is starting to work wonders. Go support Liverpool.
 

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ILC- you’re wasting your time trying to state the obvious that Ole isn’t good enough & we’re just wasting our time with him.

‘Top reds’ think it’s far better to ignore all the evidence in front of us & that Ole will just suddenly not be Shite at tactics & in game management I guess, who knows their thinking, but I wouldn’t debate them as they’re far too gone to be rational
Hmm so much for all the talk last week of "I hope Ole pulls through", and "I'm only being rational"... One bad result after almost half a season of consistently good results and performances, and you're already hopped on to your soapbox. Pathetic.
 

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But what you don't have is arguments or facts to refute anything I'm saying. What you do have are personal attacks and cheap jokes. I hope that helps because the truth is not going anywhere.


I don't give two shits about Ole unless he's helping the club. Since the moment he came he's been doing the opposite so he needs to go. If he was such a legend he wouldn't call fans fake for protesting the Glazers, he wouldn't call the Glazers family, he wouldn't lie about their investment, he wouldn't accept a thin squad so Glazers can save money, he wouldn't call Glazers bad for United as a player but suck up to them now that he's the manager, he wouldn't talk about how top 4 is not good enough for United while at Molde, but the minute he comes here top 4 is all he talks about etc.

Rashford 'improved' by the way of penalty anomaly this season and Pogba being hurt in that time. His open play goal record didn't get much better. And yes, I know penalties are part of the game, but this many penalties isn't normal and won't happen again + being dependent on penalties isn't a good thing.

McTominay improved? How? We were in relegation battle while he was holding the midfield. The minute he got injured and Matić took over we improved by a landslide. He's not a good player.

Martial did improve, I'll give him that. Although I am still on the fence who helped who more.

In the end, that much improvement from individuals should help the team right? Why is it not then?


Whatever helps you sleep.


And that's not a positive for Manchester United regardless of how much you buy the bullshit he's selling.


I'm sorry - is love United, hate Glazers 'mantra' supposed to be a negative around here? An insult? Isn't that what every United fan should be?

I don't understand why you people think being positive about anything and supporting whatever the flavor of the month is a sign of being a great fan and anyone who doesn't do it is an embarrassment? There's nothing positive about being positive ALL the time no matter what.

United isn't winning EPL titles and I'm here trolling just for the sake of it. We're literally experiencing some of the worst moments ever in the history of our club and the one who dares to point out the hypocrisy and lack of standards and bullshit of our 'legend' is embarrassing. Then I'm proud to be it thanks.



I literally explained in the next sentence why it's irrelevant. Or at least why it shouldn't be combined with the permanent role. It literally has a different name, different job completely - you're taking care of something until the next guy comes. You don't get to hire your own staff, you don't get to make decisions on signings etc. etc.

Why would I care about Championship? It's a lower league. But fine, let's talk about his time at Cardiff shall we? He took them (after they won the Championship comfortably the year before) in PL when they were out of relegation zone and won 18 points after 20 rounds, -17 GD. They finished dead last with 30 points and -42 GD. Then next season in Championship he left them in 17th place, they finished 11th after he left. Yay, you really got me on this one.

I didn't see that Alvarez interview. I apologize, I was wrong on the firing thing. Doesn't help that Ole still got an amateur to train our players though.

Also, Idc. My life won't be any worse or better either way. I come here once or twice to spend my post limit for the day and be on my way. I don't troll, I try to write good posts supported with good arguments and facts. If me being critical of the worst season in 30 years and the manager that oversaw it is somehow ban-worthy then so be it. Not aware that's the case though.


I have to apologize again here. I saw an article that had Moyes at 52.94, but after checking myself I see that was the wrong information. Let's celebrate Ole for being 0.8% better then. Yay.

Again with the personal attacks my God. Why does the constructive criticism of one of the worst managers ever and a horrible season we're having under his guidance bother you so much? Is this not a thread where we talk pros and cons of having Ole as a manager?

Also, no thanks. I jerk off to Allegri in a dark room with his greatest hits in the background.


Okay, let's...

Moyes took over a title winning team - FACT
Ole took over a team in 6th - ehhh...not really. He did take over the team when they were 6th but the season was far from over. That team finished 2nd in the last full season before that.
We were in an even worse position at the same point this season - FACT

Oh, I'm not defending Moyes at all. One of the worst managers ever anywhere, not just at United. Ole being basically even with him is not something to brag though. 50% win rate is baaaad, very bad unless you're Crystal Palace or something. Are we Crystal Palace?

Also, let's talk some more facts..

Did Ole or did he not get rid of Mourinho's 'deadwood'?
Did Ole or did he not have great recruitment this season?
Did Ole or did he not cultivate an amazing dressing room atmosphere?

And finally, if your answer to those is 'yes', how is it possible we're having such a poor season overall?


It doesn't take a lot of time at all really because I don't come up with anything. This is all factual and, most importantly, publicly available information to anyone. Only those who don't want to don't see it.


And when would that be that the team was performing 'well'? I 'left' two months before the team started doing 'well'. A little purple patch in a terrible season is not doing well. Unfortunately for Ole fanboys it's not possible to dissect the season and cherry pick which patches of form are taken into account. Every team has to play 38 games and the overall season counts no matter what Ole fanboys would let you believe.

1. I'm not cherry picking anything. It's public knowledge that caretaker and permanent manager are two completely different jobs.
2. What makes it even worse is you think a couple percentage points from the caretaker period somehow makes Ole's job here better :lol:
3. Yes, for a team with normal owners who want to invest money, who want to spend money, who want to win and have ambition - CL qualification would be a positive yes. For the leeches that own our club though it isn't good because there's 15 years of evidence of them spending significantly less when in CL. Common sense really. If it was the other way around I would root for CL too.

If that's what's going to be the best for Man Utd then I hope for the exact same thing.


I'm sorry mate - you have no clue what you're talking about. Company money and personal money are two different things. United doesn't dominate the sponsorships and marketing because it's owned by the Glazers. United dominates it because it's a global brand. We'd earn the same money, and even more, without the Glazers. They literally took billions out of the club, that's not how it works. End of.

Where have we been is in a bad state with Mourinho. Then we got a club 'legend' who improved recruitment and got rid of bad players from Mourinho's team. Now we're even worse. It's quite obvious where we're going.

I explained a 100 times why caretaker is different, not gonna go over it again.

1. I don't see a plan and certainly don't see or feel the progress.
2. Solskjaer is very different to managers you keep bringing on. He's a failure, they weren't.
3. Neither Pep or Zidane had more credentials than Ole when they became managers. But they brought instant results and proved themselves right away. Ole failed that very small part.
4. 40 years ago a man who would become the goat manager succeeded in completely different times, so this failed Cardiff manager must be on the same path.

Ole is literally two rounds from finishing the worst season in 30 years. End of. There's no good work there, there's no progress.


I can't believe you obv don't care and obv barely skimmed something, but know without a doubt the whole content of it and can successfully 'diagnose' it and took time to respond to it (even though you obv don't care). You're either a genius or a blind sheep who can't think for itself so just follows where the wind takes it. Kudos either way.
You clearly spent a little while manufacturing this post, so I take a small, almost pathetic amount of pride in telling you that it is a dirty, steaming, smelly load of shite. Oh to be wrong.
 

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I am not the biggest fan of Ole's time as manager here, in fact I have been a fairly vocal critic, but it's clear he has a plan and the conditions he has worked under, in terms of needing to overhaul the squad, suggests he deserves more time. That has been reinforced by recent results since Bruno signed. It is the first time since Fergie left that we've looked like a team capable of playing quality attacking football on a regular basis. Yes, we are a few players short of being considered a credible threat to the likes of Liverpool and City, but if nothing else he has bought himself more time. The criticism of him will go through the roof if we fail to reach the top four given our current position, and rightly so, but I can't see Woodward replacing him anytime soon given how he stood by him during dire results and performances.
 

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The evidence shows De Gea made mistakes that cost Ole points in at least 4 league games.

Evidence shows Ole had to make do without not 1, not 2, but 3 of his best players for months at the start of the season.

Evidence shows the squad players recruited by previous regimes just aren't good enough. (Which Ole is trying to rectify)

Evidence shows Ole has a superb record against the big six and the style of football has improved immeasurably.

Your lot are all glory hunters, no gratitude or understanding of a club legend and the step by step process he is overseeing, which is starting to work wonders. Go support Liverpool.
Great post.
 

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I don't give two shits about Ole unless he's helping the club. Since the moment he came he's been doing the opposite so he needs to go. If he was such a legend he wouldn't call fans fake for protesting the Glazers, he wouldn't call the Glazers family, he wouldn't lie about their investment, he wouldn't accept a thin squad so Glazers can save money, he wouldn't call Glazers bad for United as a player but suck up to them now that he's the manager, he wouldn't talk about how top 4 is not good enough for United while at Molde, but the minute he comes here top 4 is all he talks about etc.

Rashford 'improved' by the way of penalty anomaly this season and Pogba being hurt in that time. His open play goal record didn't get much better. And yes, I know penalties are part of the game, but this many penalties isn't normal and won't happen again + being dependent on penalties isn't a good thing.

McTominay improved? How? We were in relegation battle while he was holding the midfield. The minute he got injured and Matić took over we improved by a landslide. He's not a good player.

Martial did improve, I'll give him that. Although I am still on the fence who helped who more.

In the end, that much improvement from individuals should help the team right? Why is it not then?

Pay me no mind. I just wanted to feel like I was with the majority for once as I knew you’d be getting slandered. I wanted to jump on board :lol:

Martial did extend Mourinho’s time in charge even though he hated him. So I don’t think he’s improved but I do credit Ole for actually believing in him. Which is what he’s always needed.
 

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Instead of helping him how about we just employ a team that can do it. I think people need to start admitting they like Ole because his face fits.

If Paul Ince was the manager (His CV is pretty similar and obviously we know what he did going to the otherside) and had the same United management career as Ole right now. His head would be on a stick.
You are really embarrassing yourself here. Ole is not being blindly backed here, just because people are not criticizing him like that newbie or you doesn't mean he is backed or because his face fits. Sacking right now is not an option and we fans (at least most) are waiting to see how we do in these 2 games.
 

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ILC- you’re wasting your time trying to state the obvious that Ole isn’t good enough & we’re just wasting our time with him.

‘Top reds’ think it’s far better to ignore all the evidence in front of us & that Ole will just suddenly not be Shite at tactics & in game management I guess, who knows their thinking, but I wouldn’t debate them as they’re far too gone to be rational
Back from little break straight into it I see
 

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Pay me no mind. I just wanted to feel like I was with the majority for once as I knew you’d be getting slandered. I wanted to jump on board :lol:

Martial did extend Mourinho’s time in charge even though he hated him. So I don’t think he’s improved but I do credit Ole for actually believing in him. Which is what he’s always needed.
Objectively, Martial has improved his goals per minute but he's been improving every year for 3 seasons now. He certainly does seem more motivated these days though.
 

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People are getting quite hett up about what should happen which is all personal opinion. What will happen is that Woodward might sack Ole if he fails to secure Champions League, but he probably won't because it doesn't suite him to do so, and there isn't any pressure from the match day fans to do so - because there are no match day fans, and even if there were they'd most likely still be backing him. What internet fans say or think is less than a fart in the wind.
 

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3. Neither Pep or Zidane had more credentials than Ole when they became managers. But they brought instant results and proved themselves right away. Ole failed that very small part.
Don’t you think Ole might have failed to bring instant results due to the lack of squad depth and quality available to him (unlike what Pep or Zidane had to deal with)?

Also, you mentioned Glazers in a very negative tone and while I agree they could’ve done better, they have spent close to £1bn since SAF left on player acquisitions. It’s not entirely their fault that the investment didn’t yield results?

And while they have taken out money, it is in their right to do so since they spent that money to buy our club as well. Obviously they’d want a return on their investment in some form, at some point?
ILC- you’re wasting your time trying to state the obvious that Ole isn’t good enough & we’re just wasting our time with him.

‘Top reds’ think it’s far better to ignore all the evidence in front of us & that Ole will just suddenly not be Shite at tactics & in game management I guess, who knows their thinking, but I wouldn’t debate them as they’re far too gone to be rational
In all humbleness, we’re all ‘Reds’ to begin with. Whose top and whose not, I’m no one to say. But it’s you who is referring to some as ‘Top’ so firstly, you need to avoid that term because you are making yourself seem less significant and secondly, it’s also wrong to state that some of us might be acting ‘ignorant’ because just like you, we have our reasons to assume or believe that our analogy of how things are going might be calculatedly right as well. I.e: we can trust Ole during this rebuilding process.

All of us are on here to debate and discuss and there is no need to create partitions by using words like ‘top’ or ‘ignorant’ to differentiate between ourselves.

Nobody has ever come out and strictly said to you that Ole is perfect at tactics or in game management. Most of us and Ole himself believe there is obvious room for improvement but we feel confident enough that he is showing potential to improve.
 

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You are really embarrassing yourself here. Ole is not being blindly backed here, just because people are not criticizing him like that newbie or you doesn't mean he is backed or because his face fits. Sacking right now is not an option and we fans (at least most) are waiting to see how we do in these 2 games.
I’m always embarrassing myself apparently. I was always embarrassing myself with Mourinho and Moyes too.

What you say sounds good. But let’s be honest if he lost the next two games would still back him because you’d find something just worthy in the game to have hope. This is how it works and will continue until he either gets sacked or hopefully becomes a better manager.
 

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People are getting quite hett up about what should happen which is all personal opinion. What will happen is that Woodward might sack Ole if he fails to secure Champions League, but he probably won't because it doesn't suite him to do so, and there isn't any pressure from the match day fans to do so - because there are no match day fans, and even if there were they'd most likely still be backing him. What internet fans say or think is less than a fart in the wind.
Well that's exactly it. Along with the fact that we are straight into transfer window the day after the season ends, swiftly followed by the Europa and next season hot on it's heels, it would be absolute madness to get a new manager in unless something catastrophic happened.
 

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Objectively, Martial has improved his goals per minute but he's been improving every year for 3 seasons now. He certainly does seem more motivated these days though.
Yeah I’d say so. Ole being a good striker himself has also helped him I think. He’s hardly going to listen to his advise and be like who are you to tell me. I’m sure Ole can still ping one in bottom corner blindfolded. If ever questioned.
 

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God have mercy on him if we don't beat West Ham today.
This place is going to go crazy.
 

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People are getting quite hett up about what should happen which is all personal opinion. What will happen is that Woodward might sack Ole if he fails to secure Champions League, but he probably won't because it doesn't suite him to do so, and there isn't any pressure from the match day fans to do so - because there are no match day fans, and even if there were they'd most likely still be backing him. What internet fans say or think is less than a fart in the wind.
It's highly unlikely Ole will get the sack now given the progress he and the team have made this season, with or without top-four.

He's done more than enough to warrant another season in charge.
 

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I’m always embarrassing myself apparently. I was always embarrassing myself with Mourinho and Moyes too.

What you say sounds good. But let’s be honest if he lost the next two games would still back him because you’d find something just worthy in the game to have hope. This is how it works and will continue until he either gets sacked or hopefully becomes a better manager.
Same can be said about people like you that you keep on changing your goal post as you have an agenda against Ole. When will you start changing your opinion or you will just pop here every time we lose and shout see I told you I was right. It seems for you being proven right is more important than Ole doing well.

Like I said if we are in a similar situation come next season then I will question him even more and may even think in your lines but I cannot just bash him because he doesn't have a great CV. To be fair he has done a good job considering the CV he has. So who knows he may keep surprising people and do even better.
 

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Same can be said about people like you that you keep on changing your goal post as you have an agenda against Ole. When will you start changing your opinion or you will just pop here every time we lose and shout see I told you I was right. It seems for you being proven right is more important than Ole doing well.

Like I said if we are in a similar situation come next season then I will question him even more and may even think in your lines but I cannot just bash him because he doesn't have a great CV. To be fair he has done a good job considering the CV he has. So who knows he may keep surprising people and do even better.
But you’ve just proved you’d do exactly what I said you would. Then said I move the goal post?

Originally you said people are holding out for these last two games. I took that as you included? You then said your looking out for if he still performs like this next season? So you’ve already accepted in your mind the last two games don’t matter.
 

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That poster always claims to be rational when challenged, then flip-flops to back up a rabid Ole outer.
Be honest, if José/LVG or anyone had put in that semi final performance you’d have serious questions I hope. We were embarrassing.

Even if we get to 4th it’s with a very low points total- but if we do get there then yes he’ll probably get another season but I don’t think he’s good enough.

How can you rabid Ole in lot defend & think it’s abhorrent to even question his position? It absolutely should be talked about but you’re so far gone & Ole no matter what you can’t see it
 

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But you’ve just proved you’d do exactly what I said you would. Then said I move the goal post?

Originally you said people are holding out for these last two games. I took that as you included? You then said your looking out for if he still performs like this next season? So you’ve already accepted in your mind the last two games don’t matter.
I never said last 2 games didn't matter. If we lose or miss out on top 4 my doubts in Ole will rise and I would be on fence with him. But if we win and reach top 4, my expectations from him next season will also increase and I will not be pretending to be happy if we are in the same situation fighting for 4th spot without much improvement next season. Did you see the difference?
 

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It's highly unlikely Ole will get the sack now given the progress he and the team have made this season, with or without top-four.

He's done more than enough to warrant another season in charge.
I don't know how that progress even exists without getting top four. I mean it's going to sound a bit ridiculous saying "but he improved this or that player, brought in Bruno in January ect" but he couldn't get us over the line when top four was handed to us on a silver plate. That doesn't sound like progress from our last few seasons at all.
 

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Be honest, if José/LVG or anyone had put in that semi final performance you’d have serious questions I hope. We were embarrassing.

Even if we get to 4th it’s with a very low points total- but if we do get there then yes he’ll probably get another season but I don’t think he’s good enough.

How can you rabid Ole in lot defend & think it’s abhorrent to even question his position? It absolutely should be talked about but you’re so far gone & Ole no matter what you can’t see it
I'm not rabid Ole in. I think he deserves more time and I'm enjoying watching the team more than I have done in years.

That's my position.

I'm not claiming he's the second coming when we win and I'm not claiming he or anyone else is a clown when we lose.

EDIT: In relation to LVG/Jose it would depend on the circumstances surrounding it. I'm also not too bothered about the FA Cup at the moment. The current run of games is punishing and we have bigger fish to fry.
 
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If we qualify for the CL,then Ole would have certainly met the target that was set for him at the start of the season,so he certainly deserves to be here next season.Back in August,a lot of supporters felt that we had no chance of finishing in the top 4,so obviously we”ve improved a lot over the course of the season.But like some how pointed out,our expectations should be higher next season and Ole will be expected to close the gap with City and Liverpool,but for now,his job is certainly safe...
 

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Be honest, if José/LVG or anyone had put in that semi final performance you’d have serious questions I hope. We were embarrassing.
Not if they had to make the same decision Ole had to make: progressing to the FA Cup final by playing his best team (the same team that beat Chelsea 3 times in the season) or resting five of them to keep them fit for the league. He went with the latter due to priorities.
 

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I never said last 2 games didn't matter. If we lose or miss out on top 4 my doubts in Ole will rise and I would be on fence with him. But if we win and reach top 4, my expectations from him next season will also increase and I will not be pretending to be happy if we are in the same situation fighting for 4th spot without much improvement next season. Did you see the difference?
I see the difference but I see no change in your thinking. If we don’t make it you’ll rely on the Europa to give him grace to save his job and you’ll excuse his inability to get us over the line on the frailties of the squad and that we are still progressing in our rebuild.

Basically what I’m saying is you’ve already given him another year regardless. How you judge him at the end of next season is fine. You might be impressed you might not be. But what I’m getting at is your criticising people for justified doubts in him because you’ve already decided he deserves another year no matter what.
 

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Also, you mentioned Glazers in a very negative tone and while I agree they could’ve done better, they have spent close to £1bn since SAF left on player acquisitions. It’s not entirely their fault that the investment didn’t yield results?
Can't let that pass.

The accusation against the Glazers is not that they didn't spend money. The accusation is that (a) they financed the purchase of the club by debt which the club was obliged to pay off, and so didn't spend enough money to compete with Chelsea and then City. And (b) they structured the club around commercial revenue maximisation which led to bad football decisions and infrastructures, meaning the money they did spend was badly spent, and the top football people wouldn't work for them.

United will never be a world leading club on the field while the Glazers own the club.
 

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If we qualify for the CL,then Ole would have certainly met the target that was set for him at the start of the season,so he certainly deserves to be here next season.Back in August,a lot of supporters felt that we had no chance of finishing in the top 4,so obviously we”ve improved a lot over the course of the season.But like some how pointed out,our expectations should be higher next season and Ole will be expected to close the gap with City and Liverpool,but for now,his job is certainly safe...
Don’t you have to judge things relatively though. The majority thought we wouldn’t make top 4 because Spurs and Arsenal would occupy them. But........
 

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Not if they had to make the same decision Ole had to make: progressing to the FA Cup final by playing his best team (the same team that beat Chelsea 3 times in the season) or resting five of them to keep them fit for the league. He went with the latter due to priorities.
Who did he rest? Matic who’s legs need protecting anyway; the non cup keeper De Gea; Slabber man out who has played literally every minute this season and Marcus broke back Rashford started the game.

Obviously we couldn’t drop all of them. But yet again those that actually needed preserving was suspect.