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Accepting of new input?
No - everyone has them but no-one wants to hear them.
Accepting of new input?
Accepting of new input?
"Going back to our roots" is irrelevant. Getting better is the issue. Klopp didn't solve any 'drift from culture'. He just took over a crap team and made them better.
Klopp and Pep had a track record and deserved faith. OGS has no track record to suggest he can do a similar job. I'm also skeptical that he can get the most out of the players we have. He was a brilliant choice of interim manager and things went really well. Unfortunately, our club has no plan beyond the next few months so just appointed him off of that. Hopefully, it works out but I am skeptical that it will.
I'm aware that questioning the manager means you're somehow not a "real" supporter in some people's eyes but seeing as that's a stupid idea, I don't care.
Its like you just discovered what pressing means and now you think it's the be all to end all in a football matchI don't think he's trying to play like a poor man's Jose. He's a poor man's Pep. And that's a much more dangerous proposition.
Think of all the mid table teams that we struggle against routinely on bad days. Pressing teams churn out results in those games like machines. We see it again and again. It's like they start two goals up. Whether they are good to watch is another matter.
Well get back to me when you've discovered what it means too. Hint: you won't find out at Old Trafford.Its like you just discovered what pressing means and now you think it's the be all to end all in a football match
That's where Pep learned about pressing was it?Well get back to me when you've discovered what it means too. Hint: you won't find out at Old Trafford.
It's like no-one wants to admit it's how the Premier League has been won for the last three season - by coaches who just came from Germany.
Don’t worry. We are still trying to win it the old Jose brute force way. We’ll catch on when the league evolves again and probably hire another out of date manager to get us there.Well get back to me when you've discovered what it means too. Hint: you won't find out at Old Trafford.
It's like no-one wants to admit it's how the Premier League has been won for the last three season - by coaches who just came from Germany.
No but it's where he evolved it.That's where Pep learned about pressing was it?
Got to love how these kids think pressing was only invented recently, or how Klopp/Pep are all there is and has ever been in football management.That's where Pep learned about pressing was it?
Got to love how these old folk think they understand how Pep and Klopp and Flick play now because they have the AC Milan VHS from the eighties.Got to love how these kids think pressing was only invented recently, or how Klopp/Pep are all there is and has ever been in football management.
Well get back to me when you've discovered what it means too. Hint: you won't find out at Old Trafford.
It's like no-one wants to admit it's how the Premier League has been won for the last three season - by coaches who just came from Germany.
His Bayern and his Barca played rather differently though, wouldn't you say?And Pep mastered pressing at Barca not the german league
Yes that’s right, they played football in the eighties as well. And even earlierGot to love how these old folk think they understand how Pep and Klopp and Flick play now because they have the AC Milan VHS from the eighties.
My point was regarding how the average United fan actually views Ole. We are looking at this man with prejudice, and it does not give us an accurate reflection of who he is, or where we are at.Although I equally dislike the whole "new darling coach" thing, at least you can see now the rationale behind those who would prefer a more accomplished tactical coach over Ole.
Now that the comparison is in Ole's favour you're more favourable to it, but it does go both ways.
Right, you're gonna have to explain yourself here.No but it's where he evolved it.
Ole's preferred formation is 4231. The same formation Bayern just demolished CL with. Ole's teams are also known for high pressing. Basically he advocates the type of football you want. You just fail to realize it.it would be a waste of money anyway without a world class coach capable of playing a team in a modern formation.
This is correct..Ole's preferred formation is 4231. The same formation Bayern just demolished CL with. Ole's teams are also known for high pressing. Basically he advocates the type of football you want. You just fail to realize it.
Well there are plenty of articles about how Pep switched from a fairly vanilla tic-a-tac possession approach to a much more varied and sophisticated approach at Bayern. Here's one. The point is that the successful high press teams are nowadays incredibly well organised and positionally drilled - more so that 10 years ago. There's nothing simple about it. That's why you might expect Arteta to do well. He might actually understand how to coach this stuff.Right, you're gonna have to explain yourself here.
Well, unfortunately for Wilson and yourself the stats disprove this notion that we are poor at pressing - we actually were in the top 3 for it in the whole league last season.
Where are you guys finding pressing stats that say we were top 3?Yes and we finished third. But it was a distant third. Meanwhile Arsenal...
You actually think that?Ole's teams are also known for high pressing.
I'm not saying that. I just wasn't arguing the point.Where are you guys finding pressing stats that say we were top 3?
When he's comfortable with his team he'll most definitely have it press high.You actually think that?
I don't think that. I know that. As I am Norwegian and have seen Ole's Molde play many, many times and I know his style very well - contrary to your ramblings that are taken out of thin air and not fact based. You can even see it in his matches with United. We press high all the time - even against tougher oppositions. Solskjaer wants his team to press high up the pitch.You actually think that?
Solskjaer had managed more than 400 matches before taking over United. Many fail to realise this and perceive him as a newly retired footballer with no managerial experience.I don't understand the notion that Ole somehow is unproven
Mate, what the hell?Well there are plenty of articles about how Pep switched from a fairly vanilla tic-a-tac possession approach to a much more varied and sophisticated approach at Bayern. Here's one. The point is that the successful high press teams are nowadays incredibly well organised and positionally drilled - more so that 10 years ago. There's nothing simple about it. That's why you might expect Arteta to do well. He might actually understand how to coach this stuff.
Honestly people seem to think pressing is just loads of midfielders running around in packs tackling high up the pitch. Too much Shearer analysis.
So why does he have a goalkeeper who never leaves his line? He may want to press - who wouldn't? But he doesn't build his team around it.I don't think that. I know that. As I am Norwegian and have seen Ole's Molde play many, many times and I know his style very well - contrary to your ramblings that are taken out of thin air and not fact based. You can even see it in his matches with United. We press high all the time - even against tougher oppositions. Solskjaer wants his team to press high up the pitch.
Because De Gea isn’t that kind of goalkeeper? If he had unlimited funds and could build from scratch, maybe someone else would be guarding our goal, but right now De Gea is our goalkeeper. Asking him to leave his line is asking for trouble. How is that on Ole?So why does he have a goalkeeper who never leaves his line? He may want to press - who wouldn't? But he doesn't build his team around it.
I guess because if your press isn't very intense then it's not doing the job. Are you building your team around the ability to press high or are you not? That is what it boils down to, I suppose. Are you buying the players with this in mind. Are you recruiting your coach with this as a priority. Because if you aren't, the lesson of the last three years is that you are going to finish behind the teams that do.Because De Gea isn’t that kind of goalkeeper? If he had unlimited funds and could build from scratch, maybe someone else would be guarding our goal, but right now De Gea is our goalkeeper. Asking him to leave his line is asking for trouble. How is that on Ole?
Romero is as good with his feet as Allison and Ederson. So why does he not use him?Because De Gea isn’t that kind of goalkeeper? If he had unlimited funds and could build from scratch, maybe someone else would be guarding our goal, but right now De Gea is our goalkeeper. Asking him to leave his line is asking for trouble. How is that on Ole?
And yes. The team is a relatively high pressing team. Not as good or effective as the very best in the league (City, Liverpool), but a high pressing team nonetheless. This is the single biggest, and most obvious, difference between his style of play and Mourinho. What people have praised as more “attacking football” under Ole is in many ways a result of a team pressing higher and better, not just sitting back and soaking up wave after wave, waiting for the opposition to make a mistake. We rather try to force them to make that mistake. By pressing.
I don’t think I even understand what you’re saying, really. Are you saying we should prioritize buying a new goalie? Or that we should sack the manager, and pick a new one based on what kind of goalkeeper we have?I guess because if your press isn't very intense then it's not doing the job. Are you building your team around the ability to press high or are you not? That is what it boils down to, I suppose. Are you buying the players with this in mind. Are you recruiting your coach with this as a priority. Because if you aren't, the lesson of the last three years is that you are going to finish behind the teams that do.
Because he’s worse than De Gea at the other things. Like goalkeeping. If all a goalkeeper has to do is be good with his feet, and that the rest is down to the rest of the team pressing enough, why not just chuck Pogba in goal?Romero is as good with his feet as Allison and Ederson. So why does he not use him?
I think Ole understands de gea has to be replaced and that's why Henderson has been promised first team football but Ole is not ready to just drop De gea like that. Maybe in a year's time de gea may be sold if Henderson actually makes the goalie spot his.So why does he have a goalkeeper who never leaves his line? He may want to press - who wouldn't? But he doesn't build his team around it.
But better at implementing his style no? Was Saha better than RVN? Was Bravo better than Joe Hart? It’s always the big decisions that define you as a manager. But on that note so is dropping Lukaku before the **** attack me.Because he’s worse than De Gea at the other things. Like goalkeeping. If all a goalkeeper has to do is be good with his feet, and that the rest is down to the rest of the team pressing enough, why not just chuck Pogba in goal?
You got to make them big decisions. They’ll cost you in the short run. He’s done it before he should do it again. If Henderson has a solid start give him the shirt. If he’s good with his feet. I cannot lie and say I’ve watched him much.I think Ole understands de gea has to be replaced and that's why Henderson has been promised first team football but Ole is not ready to just drop De gea like that. Maybe in a year's time de gea may be sold if Henderson actually makes the goalie spot his.
Is this actually true?Romero is as good with his feet as Allison and Ederson. So why does he not use him?
As far as I recall he's better thanYou got to make them big decisions. They’ll cost you in the short run. He’s done it before he should do it again. If Henderson has a solid start give him the shirt. If he’s good with his feet. I cannot lie and say I’ve watched him much.