So you want him sacked, you just want there to be a good replacement.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Presumably you didn't have a problem when he won 10, drew 2 and lost one as interim, or did you?
I didn’t, but there was nothing sustainable to it, or do you actually believe Ole to be some genius who managed to put his tactical print on a team within days?
The guy has been in a rut for a long time, we’ve been in a rut, he doesn’t seem to be capable to get us out of the rut.
We’re not improving, we’re regressing, and we look more under coached than ever.
That run was obviously a Mourinho coached team motivated with a couple of nice words in his interviews and pressers, it is not sustainable and until proven wrong, Paul Ince was correct in his judgement that it could’ve been almost anyone to go on that post-Jose run.
He's had one transfer window, with hands tied behind his back from Ed Woodward and Matt Judge, to fix all the ills of our post-Fergie era squad.
Well, there is still some people thinking like me when it comes to Ole. Keep. There is no way that we would be better if we sack him now. We are not even in november and people are moaning knowing before season that the squad is thin and that it would be tough season looking at the players we have. Suddenly, a couple of winless games, and it looks like some of you thought we were contenders for every prize by your reaction.
I still see some namedropping. Pochettino who has won same amount trophies as number 0 despite having great team. Zidane who is struggling with Real Madrid stars and so on. Take it easy guys.
I still see some namedropping. Pochettino who has won same amount trophies as number 0 despite having great team. Zidane who is struggling with Real Madrid stars and so on. Take it easy guys.
Just as i'm jealous of people with "faith" in a god i'm also jealous of people like yourself who can find positivity and progress in our play. I'd really love to be in that space as i'm sure a lot of fans would who just dont believe in Ole now. Unfortunately I don't recognise what you wrote or how Ole speaks in what I watch.
So you wanted Solskjaer in after 13 matches? OK
Now you want him gone after 15 more?
That's not how you build a sustainable club.
This is not a video game.
Is there a sack at the end of the season option?
He justed posted record turnover , he is doing his job well , the job he should be doing not the football side of things . Make Ole Director of football , sack Phelan and that gang of coaches who are clearly out of their depth
The right thing to do was to wait for the season to end before making his appointment permanent.
He would’ve never been offered the job come May, you know it and I know it.
I didn't have an account then, but I'm sure in 2013-2014 there was this rubbish talk about "relegation" too.
Christ, focus lads, focus.
Christ, focus lads, focus.
He's had 160m spent on the defense and has a squad that a better coach would be getting far more out of - as was the general consensus about him himself when he was given the fecking job.
If he doesn't improve this form - drastically - he'll quite rightly be sacked.
Well we don’t have the best there is, which we should. However I don’t want to rush his sacking. I’d rather give him a good chance than sack with no manger for 6 months. Or worse, hire someone who’s terrible as he’d be the only one available.
You do not build a sustainable club by appointing the wrong guy in the first place and persisting with him .
Sooner or later he will be sacked .
It probably wont make much difference if he is sacked now or at the end of the season, as we are not going to pick a quality manager up at this time of the season, & no we don't Mourinho back. The problem with Solskjaar is that he is one of the worst managers in the Premiership, which is always going to put us at a disadvantage.
I just have a feeling that if we give Ole time and backing he won't let us down.
Wether he is 6th, 10th or even 16th in the league after 7 games is irrelevant at the moment. You have to give any manager time. Even though there are signs he looks out of his depth and tactically naive but many managers improve a lot over time. His positive so far are the transfers. He got them all right. This is something to build on next season. He also needs more tactically proven side staff to learn from. I understand the frustrations as i am very critical myself but have to look at it pragmatically rather than emotionally.
If after 2 seasons things are not visibly improving or are obviously declining then you can make a decision. Anything before that is rash and immature from the board.
If after 2 seasons things are not visibly improving or are obviously declining then you can make a decision. Anything before that is rash and immature from the board.
I was speaking primarily from a football perspective, where Woodward's influence has been an unmitigated disaster.
In terms of making money for the Glazers, he's done a fantastic job of course, and that, ultimately, is all he and the board will care about.
Sack Ole Gunnar Solskjaer? Er, no. Things would have to get pretty bad for me to get on board with that idea. I'm actually seeing progress. The defence and midfield are much better. The attack needs vastly improving still and the failure to make inroads there wasnt solskjaer's fault. Players were identified but we ran out of time as a result of Woodward's negotiating tactics.
Ah the merry go round
Shouldn’t we wait till Zidane is fired first or go full compo?
Has he?
Ah, every since JM we have this spinning bullshit back and forth. You say it was disgrace performance in 0:0 game vs Liverpool, cult jump on you with " you think 0:0 away is bad resultl?!" . Now you mention Ole and coaching, they have a go with by mentioning transfer window and other unrelated things. Are people that crazy or what.
I don't agree but for the sake of argument let say all your points are 100% correct.
But will sacking Ole solve those points? There is no guarantee. The decision-maker will still be Ed Woodward and the Glazer. And as I said, no good manager will leave their team in the middle of the season to come for us right now. Why bother with another care-taker situation while we already have Ole in charge. And there are improvements from him so let's gave him some more time and 1 more transfer windows (at least)?
But Pogba has created more than that on his own apparently.
So the lack of a decent striker and midfielder(s) is oles fault..?
Depends on the site you're using.
All of them differ in what they define as big chances or chances created.
I'm inclined to give him the season, even though he's doing a terrible job, just because I don't trust the board to make an informed decision, and then we'd just be in the rinse and repeat scenario again. Depressing as that is, we have to get some competency in our hierarchy, otherwise it's all a bit pointless. But I can't vote keep either because I don't think he has a clue.
Someone used the term placeholder, which I sort of agree with, in that Ole can ship out more of the deadwood and maybe bring in a couple of more promising youngsters before a top class manager comes in. But he really needs to curb this steep regression, fix his tactics and properly coach his team.
He's a problem, but not our biggest problem.
Someone used the term placeholder, which I sort of agree with, in that Ole can ship out more of the deadwood and maybe bring in a couple of more promising youngsters before a top class manager comes in. But he really needs to curb this steep regression, fix his tactics and properly coach his team.
He's a problem, but not our biggest problem.
Christ
Sack. The man is clueless. He’s out his depth.
According to some he made 4 against Southampton yet MOTD showed one and that was a pretty shitty pass in my opinion but not to change the subject chances are an opinion.
Does Mctominays header or Rashford free kick count on these last night as those where pretty big chances and can’t believe we have only created 6 more yet scored more
Don't think Rashford's free kick counts as a big chance as it's a direct FK.According to some he made 4 against Southampton yet MOTD showed one and that was a pretty shitty pass in my opinion but not to change the subject chances are an opinion.
Does Mctominays header or Rashford free kick count on these last night as those where pretty big chances and can’t believe we have only created 6 more yet scored more
McTominay's header I would presume counts as a big chance.
But you're making the mistake of thinking every goal we scored came from a big chance or what constitutes a big chance.
Guardian saying Allegri is learning English.
Penalties also wouldn't count
Question for the keepers:
How much longer would you tolerate watching our football (in terms of performances, attacking intent and results) going backwards under Ole before you'd sack him?
It's one thing for the squad to be treading water in this situation, as far as results and performances go, but it's inexcusable that we've gotten consistently worse almost game by game over the last 40 matches.
I get there's obviously practicality issues when it comes to the best time to get rid of him, and that's dependent on who we identify as his replacement and when they're available.
How much longer would you tolerate watching our football (in terms of performances, attacking intent and results) going backwards under Ole before you'd sack him?
It's one thing for the squad to be treading water in this situation, as far as results and performances go, but it's inexcusable that we've gotten consistently worse almost game by game over the last 40 matches.
I get there's obviously practicality issues when it comes to the best time to get rid of him, and that's dependent on who we identify as his replacement and when they're available.
He’s made positive steps in line with fans expectations (/demands): getting rid of dead wood, bringing in 3 players that have done well and want to play for the club and giving youth a chance. It’s a process and we needed to trim right back to be able to bloom again- he is the only man that would be happy to put himself through this process for the good of the club knowing it’s going to be a hard slog, all other managers would want to spend big on big names straight away, we’ve learned through experience that this doesn’t work. We need to stick with it.
We cannot change manager, (again) at this stage of the season. He was awarded the job after a fantastic 3 month spell and he deserved it. The wheels have fallen off now but no other manager is going to do anything with this squad after the initial honeymoon period bounce. It’s 6 years of shockingly poor recruitment that has led us to this point. The squad is so poor, they can’t deliver corners, can’t receive balls from throw ins, can’t bring the ball forward with confidence, there’s just so many issues with this group of players. The 3 signings Oles made are positives. Let’s get 3 more in in January. Pointless looking at the league till January, let’s hope we are still in the mix for top 4 then.
Well then them stats mean nothing to me then
Both efforts I referenced above were 10 times more likely to result in a goal than that shite ass pass pogba pushed Rashford wide with which I assume makes it onto that waste of space leaderboard?
We’re in a precarious position but sacking Ole now will make little difference. The squad cannot be increased, the players won’t change/improve overnight, and time is the issue. If we squander the dwindling time left to us in a new management process it will derail getting through this season, which is the priority. We need to focus, come together as a team under siege and ride out the storm. If we can do that and grab a couple of players in January or as loans it should be enough to build a platform for next season.
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