you don’t think the squad has improved since Ole came in ?
I make an effort to stay away from all things politics, but i'm aware that all of them are it, whilst the general public lap it up.
Of course.
Yes I understand the aspect of the match going fans being patient but remember that fans of Man United will be patient with anything. Ffs even Moyes was given a standing ovation despite running Old Trafford into the ground.
Mourinho said the same things when we hired him, and look how it turned out.
Yeah but this time he means it
Squad as a whole? No, we are worse off. We lost Herrera, Fellaini, knew Matic was finished, Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling. 6 out, 3 in. We lost 3 midfielders, bought 0 in. Lost 2 experienced attackers, replaced with a single 17 year old who clearly isn't ready yet.
Yes, they have been good signings so far. AWB & James have been good. Maguire has been okay so far.
I wouldn't class Smalling as deadwood, he was our best defender. I would prefer to see Jones, Rojo, Bailly, even Lindelof leave before him. The rest i was happy in isolation, but wasn't expecting them to not be replaced. I would rather have kept them if we were not going to replace them properly.
"The only possible long term upside"!?
Because its more about the immediate results. We are not in any position to challenge for big honors right now so the most important thing is we are moving in the right direction, and this goes way beyond results and league placements. I am not saying us playing like shit in many games and getting 16 points from 12 games is "progress" because it clearly is not, but if you look outside the results things are not so bad
I don't think there is a concrete plan in place, that transcends each manager no. How can i when we still haven't even got a dof in place yet? For me to believe that, i would have to see them modernising the club structure, in line with the other best in class teams.
Over here we call that be classy and respectful as he tried but job was to much for him like it was for lvg and Jose even after he had 325 million to spend, net 285.
You're golden boy lost 13 games last season score a mighty 2 more goals with the golden boot winner and one of the top strikers in the world and plays better attacking footie than us according to some.
It clearly isn’t useless, I’m making a point about Pochettino as a manager, it has nothing to do with Ole.
You mean like Mourinho? Or Van Gaal? Or even Moyes (according to some on here)?
Very likely, yes. It's a horrible enough prospect - but yes, it is likely.
But when we have a manager with even far less of what you say we should be doubting Poch for as a managerial signing, it is pretty useless. Ole must always come into the frame, because not hiring a proven manager just because we have a manger who's a great guy and has United's best interests at heart but is failing to get us anywhere near top four this season, isn't exactly the best business plan.
The "cornerstone" has to be correct. And I think that we are on the opposite end of the scale of the type of football that is likely to yield success over time. So basically I think this OGS project was fecked from the getgo given that we have seemingly failed to understand that to be successful over time, some variation of possession-based football is fundamental. If you are not able to control games and the ball against perceived weaker teams then you will not be successful long term.
That’s just a longwinded way of saying you don’t actually want to have a conversation about Poch’s credentials.
Then we better hope Ole stays because we would be well and truly fecked if that happens. We can't take another complete rebuild.
I agree. The problem is definitely the structure that surrounds the manager. They have all came out afterwards and said the same thing. But i'm not sure if the model has actually changed at all.
This plan isn't some scarce set of ideals that only one manager can implement. Take a look around many top managers have similar plans. What's so unique about Ole's plan? The only real difference i see is the British emphasis which is incredibly overrated as a factor
First coherent plan that makes sense and suits our club culture in the six years since Fergie retired. It may not be unique but poor recruitment strategy makes up for at least 50% of our previous managers' downfall, with tactics and philosophy being the other half. Except maybe Moyes, the man was a clown..
Or I could easily say you're just avoiding a discussion about Ole by removing him from the frame, because when we do discuss both, there's only one winner. Our league form is horrendous to boot for months now, which makes the move for a better qualified manager even more sensible. The reality is, Ole is currently our manager, so telling people to remove him from the discussion just doesn't make sense. I look at Poch and see a manager that's consistently delivered CL football, including a final for a club that simply wasn't at that level before he arrived. There's a reason why up until very recently, Levy was clinging onto him for dear life when big clubs were circling. Things change quickly in football though, mostly harshly. It doesn't mean that Poch isn't one of the most promising and sought after couches in the game and hiring is 100% a risk worth taking, because guess what? Ole will be going nowhere near a top club when he leaves here, Poch will be heading to Bayern. You only get one chance at hiring the top managers.
And you know this as fact?
What part of the plan is so great though? Young players? Attacking football? It just has a feel good buzz because it's an attempt at an imitation of Fergie. There's nothing specific about it that makes one say "only Ole can". All the other top clubs already do these things.
1) I agree they have been good so far. I would have expected more arrivals in the summer though. I do question Maguire, considering we paid £80m & lost our best defender in Smalling in the process. I question whether those resources would have been better spent on an attacker/midfielder instead, where goals & creativity have been a big problem for years now.
It's not unique mate, it just works. Im happy that for once, most or all of our signings are working out and looking like proper United players. Nothing to do with Fergie or hE iS tHe OnE. I want him to stay b ecause the players clearly respect him and I want to see how far he can take us.
Fair enough. Personally and imo I'm certain I've seen enough major red flags to know how far he can take us so am less keen on waiting to see
1) Solskjærs league record for the last year is better than Poch’s, if we’re comparing the two.
Can you please stop spouting absolute nonsense. Cheers.
That’s not nonsense at all. It’s complete fact. What other Prem team would want him? 0
That's actually the truth. His career says it. Whatever you like what he said or not isn't gonna change that.
Edit: Don’t get the Martial and York connection
Well, Molde.... Cardiff..... arrgh! sometimes I feel like I entered a US political thread. By the way, Lampard finished 6th in the championship and lost in the playoffs. Wonder how he ranks with the other managers in the league.
Mate theirs no nationality connection. It’s quite obvious it’s because they are black. He could be from Australia it would still be the same comparison. It just doesn’t work aswell when you do it because the players white.
You're not going to, but come the end of the season, and next season you definitely will - you don't eat a tin of beans and start farting like a trooper straight away, maybe you do!
Thank Christ you are not the CEO of the club.
You seem to be creating rules to suit your own argument. Did you want us to stick with Moyes when LVG became available, or did it not matter who we had in charge?
