Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Chaky_Best]

We should be ruthless as Bayern, Juve and Madrid are.

Just give Pochettino the job in July and let him prepare the squad for 7 months. Bayern did this with Pep when he was on vacation after Barcelona.

Expectations are low with Ole just because he's a club legend, but the football is abysmal and our future doesn't look bright.

Nearly 1 year in the job and we only have individual flashes here and there.

Once again, Klopp and Pep already had better results when the came.

You don't need to have the best players in the world, to play the best football. Look at how many teams in the league are playing better than us, are running more than us, and looks like proper teams...

Just take the example of Lampard... The guy in 5 months just showed to Ole how he can put a footprint on a team and to be honest we are almost level in terms of potential starting XI.

Ole doesn't bring anything else than ghost of the past, talking about youth, future etc, but the guy is constantly praising average players like Pereira and Mc Tominay...

Bring the job to Pochettino and give him money to spend

 

[VP89]

Still just your opinion though. The only facts you put in there is the first 2 sentences, the rest is just your take on things. Your last sentence looks to me like you try to throw an insult at me. Did it feel good serving that "Ole-in-guy" some devestating facts. Haha!

I think our league position and results through 1/3 of a season, where we in my opinion so clearly are in a just started rebuild state with injuries haunting us from the start of the season, doesn't define his quality as a manager.
It is in my opinion impossible to know where or how this project will end. It can still be a massive success given time, and it can still be a total failure. I think the quality of a manager is not a constant either, it is continuously changing and what works in one club doesn't necessarily work another. There is so many variables that plays in; football skills, people skills, knowledge, luck, chemistry, injuries, player pool, personality pool, etc..... This is why I think a rebuild takes time, and expectations must be long term, not short term. Aim for success in the short term leads to exactly that in my opinion, short term success. I don't think we can give a fair evaluation of Ole and his project until we have seen a couple of more windows to fit more pieces of the puzzle into place (midfield and attack), and until then I want to see how it goes, and enjoy the ride of ups and downs. Do I think he the MAN to get us back to the big scene? I think he can be and all I can do is give my support.

For your information I lost a lot of hair for an hour on Sunday too. If we are not looking at serious improvements this time next year, I will be voting for the boot too….

This is just my opinion.
I won't call you names if you disagree, but don't state your opinions as facts. It just undermines you and a good debate….

No one is stating opinion as fact. This is a forum for people to share opinions and sometimes people use facts to support their opinion.

Il be honest I didn't read most of your post but I just want to make this clear before you accuse others of the same.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Because you are incapable of seeing past short term results in a season plagued by injuries to key players in a thin squad.

I'll judge him this season against my expectation of 6th when I feel he's had a fair chance with something close to the team he planned the season around.

I understand the Ole out crowd. You want wins at all costs and you want them NOW, we get it.

No, now we want ;
1) to see game pattern after 11 months in charge(except Ole's special; parked bus)
2) to see how we dominate low table clubs and not playing only on counter attacks against every team
3) to stop being dominated by every single opponent in away games
4) to stop playing on counter attacks even at OT

Only way how we will see it is when we will have a manager. Ole is not that. What is he i don't know, but manager he is not.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Whether he should have been hired or not is a different issue, but he was hired, so what is the point in cutting ties right away? And at a time when things have improved, albeit very slightly, and should hopefully continue to improve with the return of some key players.

What the hell is improved? What? We won against Brighton and Partizan? Put tea lady on the bench and she will beat some dross teams at OT with these players. In away games it is all the same 11 months now. We being dominated by every single team.

 

[youngrell]

What do you mean right away? He's been here a year. Just how much time should we give him exactly?

I don't think anything has improved, I think that's very evident based on the performance against Sheffield at the weekend. Those first 70 minutes were possibly the worst I've seen from us under him.

Well he wasn't hired a year ago, was he? Permanently I mean.

Pre match expectations seems to be dread on Sunday because of missing personnel, and then everyone is surprised when we are not at our best? That goes for the season as a whole, too.

The improvements I'm talking about have been quite clear to me, we can score a goal for a start (3 in each of the last 3 games) which is a far cry from a few weeks back. Martial has been pivital to that, and we have others to come in and strengthen us too, along with (hopefully) new recruits soon. The effect should be the same, i.e better defensively when we have a stronger midfield.

After that, the manager is fair game for me.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

I can't believe that Man Utd fan who watched best manager in history in work can say something like that. Ffs, manager is the most important person in club. He is more than 50% of the team. He can make team better( or worse). Good manager will make his team 20 or 30% better than it is.

Why do you think that top clubs pay 10-15 mil per season for top managers? Just for fun?

Football has changed though, even the boy most of the Ole out crowd want said he was not the manager at Spurs he was effectively the coach.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/so...ade-to-feel-more-coach-than-manager-1.3972794

No one will run united top to bottom again like fergie did.

 

[Majima]

Football has changed though, even the boy most of the Ole out crowd want said he was not the manager at Spurs he was effectively the coach.

No one will run united top to bottom again like fergie did.

Come again.

We've already been through this already, why are you parroting it again?

The link you posted is ludicrous to suggest. Are you suggesting that the work done at Spurs under Pochettino was actually Levy's doing?

I guess it was Woodward's idea to get rid of Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling & bring in James, Maguire & AWB too?

And that is a problem how?

 

[youngrell]

What the hell is improved? What? We won against Brighton and Partizan? Put tea lady on the bench and she will beat some dross teams at OT with these players. In away games it is all the same 11 months now. We being dominated by every single team.

Let's ignore the good teams hey?

We've beaten Chelsea (twice), we've beaten Leicester, we're the only team to take any points off Liverpool. Those are the 3 flavours of the month, right?

The manager we all crave? Behind us in the league and sacked.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Well he wasn't hired a year ago, was he? Permanently I mean.

Pre match expectations seems to be dread on Sunday because of missing personnel, and then everyone is surprised when we are not at our best? That goes for the season as a whole, too.

The improvements I'm talking about have been quite clear to me, we can score a goal for a start (3 in each of the last 3 games) which is a far cry from a few weeks back. Martial has been pivital to that, and we have others to come in and strengthen us too, along with (hopefully) new recruits soon. The effect should be the same, i.e better defensively when we have a stronger midfield.

After that, the manager is fair game for me.

If you only count his time here as a permanent manager then his record is far worse so I can't see how that helps your argument.

I don't think we've improved, and if we have, it's marginal at best. He just doesn't look like a manager that's capable of getting us to the level we should be at. We need to be realistic and cut out this romantic nonsense because he's a club legend, because it's the only reason he's still here.

 

[Majima]

Let's ignore the good teams hey?

We've beaten Chelsea (twice), we've beaten Leicester, we're the only team to take any points off Liverpool. Those are the 3 flavours of the month, right?

The manager we all crave? Behind us in the league and sacked.

If you haven't noticed, Solskjaer's small time defensive and counter-attacking approach plays into the bigger matches, where big teams, seeing how poor we are, open up vs us & try to attack.

Pity that is 20% of the matches we play...

Since permanent, he has 25 points from 21 league matches. That is 45 points overall. = 13th 3/5 last seasons.

It is the other 80% of matches where he has proven to be absolutely clueless, which will see him sacked eventually once the club comes to its senses.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Come again.

We've already been through this already, why are you parroting it again?

The link you posted is ludicrous to suggest. Are you suggesting that the work done at Spurs under Pochettino was actually Levy's doing?

I guess it was Woodward's idea to get rid of Lukaku, Sanchez, Smalling & bring in James, Maguire & AWB too?

And that is a problem how?

You can have an opinion without being rude to the poster you know.

Most managers do not get involved in transfers, contracts etc anymore. It’s a fact.

 

[youngrell]

If you only count his time here as a permanent manager then his record is far worse so I can't see how that helps your argument.

I don't think we've improved, and if we have, it's marginal at best. He just doesn't look like a manager that's capable of getting us to the level we should be at. We need to be realistic and cut out this romantic nonsense because he's a club legend, because it's the only reason he's still here.

I only used that barmometer as it is the one usually used to bash him, and of course the worst part of his tenure was the end of last season IMO so seeing some small improvement since then.

I tend to agree with you that he looks like he will fail, I would just like to exercise a bit more patience and see if the direction he is trying to take us works out. I am sick of ripping the plan up all the time, and this time it is sooner than ever.

 

[Majima]

You can have an opinion without being rude to the poster you know.

Most managers do not get involved in transfers, contracts etc anymore. It’s a fact.

What is the point you are making here?

You are insinuating that the job Pochettino done at Spurs was overrated, that it was actually Levy who should get the credit for player incomings/outgoings was you not?

 

[youngrell]

If you haven't noticed, Solskjaer's small time defensive and counter-attacking approach plays into the bigger matches, where big teams, seeing how poor we are, open up vs us & try to attack.

Pity that is 20% of the matches we play...

Since permanent, he has 25 points from 21 league matches. That is 45 points overall. = 13th 3/5 last seasons.

It is the other 80% of matches where he has proven to be absolutely clueless, which will see him sacked eventually once the club comes to its senses.

Yes but surely it is easier to find a solution to beating these smaller teams than it would be to start dominating the top teams? That is the hope I have to live with, that we will find that solution and then we are in a good place.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

What is the point you are making here?

You are insinuating that the job Pochettino done at Spurs was overrated, that it was actually Levy who should get the credit for player incomings/outgoings was you not?

No, my original point that people are obsessing over our manager when we have bigger problems to fix, yet everyone on the out side of this argument think sacking Ole will solve our problems.

 

[Majima]

Yes but surely it is easier to find a solution to beating these smaller teams than it would be to start dominating the top teams? That is the hope I have to live with, that we will find that solution and then we are in a good place.

It is systematic pressure based on quality and rigorous training. There are no shortcuts. You are only going to find the answers on the training pitch. That is why the top coaches are in short supply and great demand.

Solskjaer and the coaching staff have been here 1 year and we are no closer to solving the same problems as when they first walked in. Vs weaker teams who give us all the time in the world, we still struggle to build up properly, our movement in the final third is a joke and we cannot maintain pressure at all. Everything good we achieve is through flashes of individual brilliance.

People can believe whatever they like, but i do not believe it is suddenly going to change now. They are just not good enough, it's as simple as that to me.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I only used that barmometer as it is the one usually used to bash him, and of course the worst part of his tenure was the end of last season IMO so seeing some small improvement since then.

I tend to agree with you that he looks like he will fail, I would just like to exercise a bit more patience and see if the direction he is trying to take us works out. I am sick of ripping the plan up all the time, and this time it is sooner than ever.

I don't think there's any point in giving more time to someone who is 99% likely to end up as a failure anyway, especially when there are far better managers available.

I agree it's irritating that we keep having to sack managers because we make the wrong appointment but just because we are fed up of doing it doesn't mean we should stop doing it when we still need to do so. Ole was hired based on a fantasy and it's clearly not working out and there's no point giving him more time just because we don't want to go sacking someone again or whatever.

 

[el3mel]

Well, 1 point away from Arsenal at 5th isnt very comfortable, third season he also finshed 4th

They were in top 4 for the majority of the season.

And third season was the one they reached CL final.

Anyway your point is simply invalid. He didn't need 2 years to make Liverpool a top 4 team.

 

[Majima]

No, my original point that people are obsessing over our manager when we have bigger problems to fix, yet everyone on the out side of this argument think sacking Ole will solve our problems.

Bigger problems to fix? Woodward is not going anywhere anytime soon, so you don't think it's best to focus on the one problem we can actually fix instead?

Woodward has no effect over what happens on the pitch.

If a better manager than Ole arrives, regardless of the problems that will still exist above him, the club will be better off, as the team will be better off.

The players will be coached better, especially the young players, it will make them more likely to fulfill their potential. So the performances will improve, the results will also obviously improve. Better results = higher chance of attracting good players = future progress.

Plodding along with a mediocre manager, over problems that are not going to go away anytime soon makes no sense to me at all.

 

[Bobcat]

Seriously you think managers won’t take the job because they might get sacked?. That is such an odd reason to give as an excuse, managers are sacked left right and centre.

Have you considered long term consequences of sticking with a manager who is out of his depth and has absolutely no pedigree?.

You can’t change the owners, can’t chamge the CEO, can only change so many players. There is no magic transfer window where Ole gets Sancho and whoever else.

Manager has to improve this team in spite of his surroundings expecting an extremely limited manager who has no pedigree and who will never manage at anything like this level ever again to be the man to turn it all around is essentially stupid.

Very few managers gets sacked within a year, and in the cases they have been there is usually an insane owner involved like Berlusconi. Speaking of Milan, they were a big power once and had an amazing team, but their ownership and club structure was lacking and after their golden generation of players retired it went downhill pretty fast. 9th manager now in 6 years and they are still shit and no good manager in their right mind wants to touch that mess of a club. Their current manager is Pioli who managed 14(!) different clubs since 2003 and have not won shite with any of them, usually getting sacked within a year

The club wont cease to exists if we end up outside of top 4 or even top 6. Even Moyes got until the end of April, and it was pretty clear by Christmas he had completely lost the dressing room, which is not the case with Ole (yet anyway). If we sack him now we are telling the next guy in no uncertain terms that he gets no more than 1 year and 1 window to set things straight and then he gets the sack as well.

Of course we can change CEO. The fact that Ed still has a job and somehow is innocent in all this brings my piss to a boil. And changing managers is a much more dramatic step than changing players, or would you be happy with the next manager having to play Pereira, Fred and Jones in midfield as well?

And managers dont just "improve" players. They get rid of the bad ones and buy good ones. Again going with Klopp, outside of Firminho and Henderson he has pretty much replaced the entire starting XI and much of the bench because even he cant turn stone into gold.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Everything good we achieve is through flashes of individual brilliance.

I don't agree with that.

There have been some positive signs. We have seen some actual (productive) fluidity when Rashford, Martial and James have played as an attacking trio. I wouldn't say that any of the goals we scored on Sunday seemed utterly random: there was movement with purpose and a degree of right decision making behind all of them.

Obviously, this has to be consistent and recurring before anyone can call us well drilled. But something approaching "positive signs" - yeah, I'd say so. You'd have to be hellbent on not seeing anything of the sort to conclude otherwise.

 

[el3mel]

Re the continuous pointing to our results in big games, didn't LVG get pretty good results in the majority of them while we were totally rubbish in the rest of games?

 

[ash_86]

Bigger problems to fix? Woodward is not going anywhere anytime soon, so you don't think it's best to focus on the one problem we can actually fix instead?

Woodward has no effect over what happens on the pitch.

If a better manager than Ole arrives, regardless of the problems that will still exist above him, the club will be better off, as the team will be better off.

The players will be coached better, especially the young players, it will make them more likely to fulfill their potential. So the performances will improve, the results will also obviously improve. Better results = higher chance of attracting good players = future progress.

Plodding along with a mediocre manager, over problems that are not going to go away anytime soon makes no sense to me at all.

They are realizing the potential now though. Rashford on par to break his overall tally by two fold. Martial finally playing great after years of mis management and has unlocked Rashford on the Left. James looks class and is creating bucket loads of chances for our strikers. McTomeny nailed down the spot and is looking very bright as box to box player . Brandon Williams has been eased in and he's grabbing the headlines game after game. Weren't we crying out for exactly these under previous managers?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Re the continuous pointing to our results in big games, didn't LVG get pretty good results in the majority of them while we were totally rubbish in the rest of games?

LvG was amazing in the big games. Our record under him was brilliant.

I remember we could get beaten by the worst team in the league but I'd still feel confident of us beating any of the top 6.

 

[el3mel]

LvG was amazing in the big games. Our record under him was brilliant.

I remember we could get beaten by the worst team in the league but I'd still feel confident of us beating any of the top 6.

That's why I don't get the continuous pointing to big games.

The only manager we had who was crap in them was Moyes. Otherwise we usually raise our game up in them even when the other results are crap. It's not an indication for anything imo.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Bigger problems to fix? Woodward is not going anywhere anytime soon, so you don't think it's best to focus on the one problem we can actually fix instead?

Woodward has no effect over what happens on the pitch.

If a better manager than Ole arrives, regardless of the problems that will still exist above him, the club will be better off, as the team will be better off.

The players will be coached better, especially the young players, it will make them more likely to fulfill their potential. So the performances will improve, the results will also obviously improve. Better results = higher chance of attracting good players = future progress.

Plodding along with a mediocre manager, over problems that are not going to go away anytime soon makes no sense to me at all.

So you don’t see the downsides of replacing another manager? Targets that are already being lined up thinking feck that shambles of a club, Talk of 3 year projects meaning jack shit, new manager knowing he’s about as safe as wet fart if we sack a club legend less than a year in the hot seat.

Sure let’s go for it

 

[Majima]

I don't agree with that.

There have been some positive signs. We have seen some actual (productive) fluidity when Rashford, Martial and James have played as an attacking trio. I wouldn't say that any of the goals we scored on Sunday seemed utterly random: there was movement with purpose and a degree of right decision making behind all of them.

Obviously, this has to be consistent and recurring before anyone can call us well drilled. But something approaching "positive signs" - yeah, I'd say so. You'd have to be hellbent on not seeing anything of the sort to conclude otherwise.

I'm describing us vs the weaker teams at home, who sit back and give us time on the ball. We consistently look clueless every time. Like i said, we are no closer to solving these problems than when they arrived almost a year ago. Does that not concern you?

 

[Leftback99]

I'm describing us vs the weaker teams at home, who sit back and give us time on the ball. We consistently look clueless every time. Like i said, we are no closer to solving these problems than when they arrived almost a year ago. Does that not concern you?

Our PL home games have been Chelsea, Arsenal, Leicester and Liverpool. We comfortably beat Brighton and should have beaten Palace including a missed pen and two errors which as usual ended up in the back of our net.

Arsenal was the worst performance of those and even that was one error, goal.

 

[Majima]

So you don’t see the downsides of replacing another manager? Targets that are already being lined up thinking feck that shambles of a club, Talk of 3 year projects meaning jack shit, new manager knowing he’s about as safe as wet fart if we sack a club legend less than a year in the hot seat.

Sure let’s go for it

I don't see the downsides of replacing an under-performing, struggling manager no. At all clubs, if you don't succeed, you're sacked, isn't that expected?

Solskjaer has been here a year. He has struggled A LOT. He wasn't appointed based on his own merits to begin with, unless you think top clubs are combing the Norwegian league for managers? It was a big gamble, it clearly is not working, move on.

He's not the first former player to be given a chance and quickly sacked. The Madrid B manager Solari, was given a chance & lasted under a year at Madrid, just last year. So it does happen.

 

[Roboc7]

Very few managers gets sacked within a year, and in the cases they have been there is usually an insane owner involved like Berlusconi. Speaking of Milan, they were a big power once and had an amazing team, but their ownership and club structure was lacking and after their golden generation of players retired it went downhill pretty fast. 9th manager now in 6 years and they are still shit and no good manager in their right mind wants to touch that mess of a club. Their current manager is Pioli who managed 14(!) different clubs since 2003 and have not won shite with any of them, usually getting sacked within a year

The club wont cease to exists if we end up outside of top 4 or even top 6. Even Moyes got until the end of April, and it was pretty clear by Christmas he had completely lost the dressing room, which is not the case with Ole (yet anyway). If we sack him now we are telling the next guy in no uncertain terms that he gets no more than 1 year and 1 window to set things straight and then he gets the sack as well.

Of course we can change CEO. The fact that Ed still has a job and somehow is innocent in all this brings my piss to a boil. And changing managers is a much more dramatic step than changing players, or would you be happy with the next manager having to play Pereira, Fred and Jones in midfield as well?

And managers dont just "improve" players. They get rid of the bad ones and buy good ones. Again going with Klopp, outside of Firminho and Henderson he has pretty much replaced the entire starting XI and much of the bench because even he cant turn stone into gold.

We’re not going to change CEO though are we just like we’re not going to be bought by the Saudi’s or any of these other scenarios people make up. Glazers and Woodward are here to stay, Ole is dispensable and will go before Woodward or the owners, that is reality.

Total nonsense the next manager will be scared to take the job, zero truth to it at all. Ole was a punt, it’s a laughing stock to any neutral that he got the job in the first place and is being allowed to keep it. No other Premier League team would employ him, when he is sacked only Utd fans will be complaining or surprised.

We sacked Moyes and next manager got longer, it’s not as black and white as you seem to think. You assess the situation as it is and part of that is the ability, experience and pedigree of the manager. If you commit to another 2 years with Ole you are basically hoping for a miracle and that nostalgia and limited tactics will somehow fix everything.

 

[Majima]

Our PL home games have been Chelsea, Arsenal, Leicester and Liverpool. We comfortably beat Brighton and should have beaten Palace including a missed pen and two errors which as usual ended up in the back of our net.

Arsenal was the worst performance of those.

Was he appointed manager at the start of this season? I'm including last season, from when he was appointed. I'm talking about his period overall.

I made a mistake to single out just home matches, because we have matches away also, where we are expected to dominate the play, yet are unable to do so.

He has had 29 matches since permanent. Leaving out the CL matches, here are the matches in my opinion we were poor in:

From start of his appointment.

Watford home.
Wolves away.
West Ham home.
Everton away.
Huddersfield away.
Cardiff home.

Southampton away.
Leicester home.
Astana home.
West Ham away.
Rochdale home.
Alkmaar away.
Newcastle away.
Partizan away.
Bournemouth away.
Sheffield away.

16 out of 29 games so far.

To me, over 50% of the matches have objectively, been poor performances under him. That is a heck of a lot, to be considered progress, don't you think?

 

[fergiesarmy1]

I don't see the downsides of replacing an under-performing, struggling manager no. At all clubs, if you don't succeed, you're sacked, isn't that expected?

Solskjaer has been here a year. He has struggled A LOT. He wasn't appointed based on his own merits to begin with, unless you think top clubs are combing the Norwegian league for managers? It was a big gamble, it clearly is not working, move on.

He's not the first former player to be given a chance and quickly sacked. The Madrid B manager Solari, was given a chance & lasted under a year at Madrid, just last year. So it does happen.

Dont think Madrid is the best example of a club to follow with how managers are treated.

 

[utdalltheway]

The historical win % is a good indicator. Ole doesn’t have a good one with numbers in the 30s to the low 50s. We should be aiming for a manager that has shown consistently in the high 60s to high 70s.

 

[Majima]

The historical win % is a good indicator. Ole doesn’t have a good one with numbers in the 30s to the low 50s. We should be aiming for a manager that has shown consistently in the high 60s to high 70s.

I believe half a season is a significant sample size.

He has taken 25 points from 21 matches since his permanent appointment so far. That would be a 45 point season overall. Which is 13th in 3/5 last seasons.

 

[Majima]

Dont think Madrid is the best example of a club to follow with how managers are treated.

Me neither. I am just making the point that clubs quickly move on from similar appointments like this. They don't compound the mistake by stubbornly trying to prove they made the right decision, or worrying about what they might be perceived as. They just make the right decision and move on.

I would like to see the club not tolerate under performance. I would like to see the club being proactive for once. I would like to see the club go through a rigorous management search, managed by someone with the proven credentials to be in charge.

Is that too much to ask?

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Anybody that thinks that people saying we should get Poch as a quick fix is daft really. Who on earth is getting Poch as a quick fix. Nobody is expecting us to start winning everybody immediately or even start playing well immediately. It's going to take time and what matters is which manager deserves that time. Is it Poch who is known to have rebuilt Spurs to become a top 4 team and entered the Champions league finals with them. Or is it Ole who relegated Cardiff and won a few titles in Norway.

If Guardiola Klopp Pochettino Nagelsmann and Ten Haag were all available now are you telling me that we should still keep Ole? Are you honestly telling me if Ole had no ties to the club you would still say he deserves time?

We're practically the only club spewing nonsense about getting back to the old United. Meanwhile Guardiola and Klopp have stamped their names as the creators of a new City and Liverpool. You hardly even hear Lampard talk about old Chelsea or Zidane talking about Madrid back in the days. Can't we just accept that we got it wrong again with our manager. The initial plan was for Ole to take over and steady the ship while we search for a DOF then when the season is over we would have had a competent manager and a DOF.

I mean do people really think that our squad is not capable of beating Newcastle Crystal palace West ham and Bournemouth. We lost to all of them. Anyways Ole can have the rest of the season. And when we're dangling outside top 8 I'd hope Poch is still available by then

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Me neither. I am just making the point that clubs quickly move on from similar appointments like this. They don't compound the mistake by stubbornly trying to prove they made the right decision, or worrying about what they might be perceived as. They just make the right decision and move on.

I would like to see the club not tolerate under performance. I would like to see the club being proactive for once. I would like to see the club go through a rigorous management search, managed by someone with the proven credentials to be in charge.

Is that too much to ask?

Well there’s those bigger problems I was alluding too, what makes you think Ed wouldn’t feck up again, his track record doesn’t give me any confidence.

 

[Roboc7]

Anybody that thinks that people saying we should get Poch as a quick fix is daft really. Who on earth is getting Poch as a quick fix. Nobody is expecting us to start winning everybody immediately or even start playing well immediately. It's going to take time and what matters is which manager deserves that time. Is it Poch who is known to have rebuilt Spurs to become a top 4 team and entered the Champions league finals with them. Or is it Ole who relegated Cardiff and won a few titles in Norway.

If Guardiola Klopp Pochettino Nagelsmann and Ten Haag were all available now are you telling me that we should still keep Ole? Are you honestly telling me if Ole had no ties to the club you would still say he deserves time?

We're practically the only club spewing nonsense about getting back to the old United. Meanwhile Guardiola and Klopp have stamped their names as the creators of a new City and Liverpool. You hardly even hear Lampard talk about old Chelsea or Zidane talking about Madrid back in the days. Can't we just accept that we got it wrong again with our manager. The initial plan was for Ole to take over and steady the ship while we search for a DOF then when the season is over we would have had a competent manager and a DOF.

I mean do people really think that our squad is not capable of beating Newcastle Crystal palace West ham and Bournemouth. We lost to all of them. Anyways Ole can have the rest of the season. And when we're dangling outside top 8 I'd hope Poch is still available by then

That initial plan, so obvious and simple yet somehow unobtainable. We just have to accept we got caught up in romanticism and nostalgia and do what any other club would do and go and get the best possible manager we can.

You are 100% correct, we made a bad decision, rectify it and move on. There is this strange idea sacking Ole will be greeted with contempt but anyone not associated with Utd will still be wondering why he was appointed in first place.

Some people have this weird idea that other manages will be put off if we sack
Ole. Reality is managers will be wondering how he got job in first place and why he hasn’t been sacked.

 

[TrueRed79]

The most pointless managerial appointment in our history bar none. If we even have the slightest minutia of ambition we would hire Pochettino, but no, that twat Woodward has nailed his banner to the "i have every faith in Ole" mast and i really can't see him pulling the trigger anytime soon. All the while we let the perfect manager go elsewhere and be a success. This club really is heading on a road to nowhere.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

You are 100% correct, we made a bad decision, rectify it and move on. There is this strange idea sacking Ole will be greeted with contempt but anyone not associated with Utd will still be wondering why he was appointed in first place.

Because he won a number of games and the media hype made it difficult to not appoint him... If the people in charge of the permanent appointment had any sort of understanding of football they would see that his winning run was partly based on undeserved results and luck.