Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Genuinely intrigued, aside from Martial improving and Greenwood's breakthrough where is the 'good progress' you are referring to?

Covering old ground.

Getting rid of parasites like Lukaku, Sanchez. Moving on players that’s were not good enough like Fellaini, and Darmian. Moving others out on Loan.

Bringing in the right caliber and profile of players. Getting the best out of Martial, Rashford & Greenwood - all who will get better. He even managed to get good performances from Fred.

The mood around the club is infinitely better. We have a better foundation. The scale of the rebuild needed should not be underestimated, and we are clearly only partially through.

Too many people being reactionary and dramatic after two games in the most unique start to a season certainty in my lifetime.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

This place ‘earned our patience’. **** Caf.

No you are right. After seeing progress, after getting 3rd. Let’s throw everything out and start again. Another £500m down the drain. Cant move for all these these world class managers lined up who can guarantee success.

Do you honestly expect any manager to have been challenging for the league 18 months after the shit show the Jose left. You are delusional.

 

[TheGame]

This is an odd argument. I'm not anti-Ole but what has Ole won?

No one is saying Ole has won anything but posters are wanting to sack him and bring in managers who haven’t won anything and they have a right to be asked on what basis.

 

[Andycoleno9]

It's a strange coincidence that strong Ole outers also don't believe that such a thing as match fitness/sharpness exists at Premier League level.

To them I assume there was no reason at all why Brighton started pre season training in mid August when our players were on holiday.

It is unbelievable how much excuses you people can have for this failed Cardiff manager. Overplayed and dominated by Brighton. 15 minuted before final whistle parked the bus. Created zero chances in whole game. Even if i give you that excuse for fitness (which is rificulous excuse) how so that we looked shit from minute one? Same as with Palace. Is it normal for you that our failed Cardiff manager sets team full of talented and expensive players (some of them who he bought) to play on counter attacks against every team?

 

[L1nk]

No one is saying Ole has won anything but posters are wanting to sack him and bring in managers who haven’t won anything and they have a right to be asked on what basis.

It's probably because these managers who haven't won anything have still done vastly better and/or more than Ole has done his entire managerial career, some with less time on their CV's as well. The only difference is that Ole used to play for us and these other managers haven't. However I can guarantee they play a better brand of football by miles and have actually done really well with their teams considering the teams size/financial power etc in some of the top leagues in Europe. Ole relegated Cardiff, did awfully in the Championship and did ok in the Norwegian league, that's it, yet apparently this is reason enough to keep him around, that and he used to play for us.

 

[TheGame]

It's probably because these managers who haven't won anything have still done vastly better and/or more than Ole has done his entire managerial career, some with less time on their CV's as well. The only difference is that Ole used to play for us and these other managers haven't. However I can guarantee they play a better brand of football by miles and have actually done really well with their teams considering the teams size/financial power etc in some of the top leagues in Europe. Ole relegated Cardiff, did awfully in the Championship and did ok in the Norwegian league, that's it, yet apparently this is reason enough to keep him around, that and he used to play for us.

Not all of them. We’ve had 1 defeat in 18 league games, 3 defeats in all competitions in 28 games. 3rd in the league and 3 semi finals. Yeah I think we should have won a trophy last season but that is Ole proving he is a good manager. Now we have to progress. You cannot sack a manager on those stats.

The Ole haters keep moving the goal posts, first it was finish top 4 which Ole has done, now it’s point totals and styles of play. We’ve had a couple of bad games but we were playing some great football last season.

 

[Leftback99]

It is unbelievable how much excuses you people can have for this failed Cardiff manager. Overplayed and dominated by Brighton. 15 minuted before final whistle parked the bus. Created zero chances in whole game. Even if i give you that excuse for fitness (which is rificulous excuse) how so that we looked shit from minute one? Same as with Palace. Is it normal for you that our failed Cardiff manager sets team full of talented and expensive players (some of them who he bought) to play on counter attacks against every team?

Point proven.

Strangely you weren't ranting about Cardiff when you went missing from this thread from February to losing to Chelsea in the cup in July.

 

[georgipep]

I think there was a passage of play around the 59th minute where Sheff Utd played triangles and exchanged short passes around Leeds' box. Not seen that from our players for a long time.

Yeah, works wonders for them, not having scored this season yet and being one of the most defensive sides in the league.

The triangles are something I quite like and they defend in packs of three, which helps pass and release the ball quickly but they are really clueless in attack.

 

[TheGame]

It is unbelievable how much excuses you people can have for this failed Cardiff manager. Overplayed and dominated by Brighton. 15 minuted before final whistle parked the bus. Created zero chances in whole game. Even if i give you that excuse for fitness (which is rificulous excuse) how so that we looked shit from minute one? Same as with Palace. Is it normal for you that our failed Cardiff manager sets team full of talented and expensive players (some of them who he bought) to play on counter attacks against every team?

1 league defeat in 18 games, 3 defeats in all competitions in 28 games. But you keep judging on 2 games.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

No you are right. After seeing progress, after getting 3rd. Let’s throw everything out and start again. Another £500m down the drain. Cant move for all these these world class managers lined up who can guarantee success.

Do you honestly expect any manager to have been challenging for the league 18 months after the shit show the Jose left. You are delusional.

So where did I say getting 3rd wasn’t progress? Or claim another manager would have us winning titles 18 months post-Jose?

Tripe like he’s ‘earned our patience’ is nonsense; he’s remunerated sizeably to perform & whilst I think he’s probably the most hamstrung manager in world football in terms of the hierarchy he performs under - we finished 3rd on a modest points total & he spent £150mil last summer terribly [I was one to say so at the time].

Now calm down & learn to accept views that don’t align exactly with yours instead of putting words in peoples mouths; he’s got A LOT to prove & whilst I don’t expect to be prime Barcelona 18 months in I expect a £200mil defence to be able to defend.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Getting rid of parasites like Lukaku, Sanchez. Moving on players that’s were not good enough like Fellaini, and Darmian. Moving others out on Loan.

If we’re championing him for the outgoings then surely questioning on why he thought Maguire was an £80mil CB & AWB a £50mil RB are counter arguments.

You’re allowed to criticise as well as praise; if he’s to be held in high regard for ridding us of a 20 goal a season striker [aside the José sh*t show] then why can’t he be critiqued for paying rather sizeable sums for dross.

I would go into the rest of your post but it’s all conjecture.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

So where did I say getting 3rd wasn’t progress? Or claim another manager would have us winning titles 18 months post-Jose?

Tripe like he’s ‘earned our patience’ is nonsense; he’s remunerated sizeably to perform & whilst I think he’s probably the most hamstrung manager in world football in terms of the hierarchy he performs under - we finished 3rd on a modest points total & he spent £150mil last summer terribly [I was one to say so at the time].

Now calm down & learn to accept views that don’t align exactly with yours instead of putting words in peoples mouths; he’s got A LOT to prove & whilst I don’t expect to be prime Barcelona 18 months in I expect a £200mil defence to be able to defend.

Oh dear.

Being condensing doesn’t work. It means no one take take your argument seriously, even if you have a point.

He has earned our patience. Every manager has something to prove when they go into a job. Unlike a part of our fanbase who have no patience, I’m not knee jerk after 2 games.

 

[James Peril]

1 league defeat in 18 games, 2 defeats in all competitions in slightly more games. But you keep judging on 2 games.

Drop the undefeated crap please. One win and two losses is the same as three draws so to speak, we really need to win more games and score more goals. Watching great players struggle to play coherent football is a big travesty. Not that I expect Guardiola-football from any other manager, but I got depressed after nine minutes seeing how players act as a team compared to our stuff. We are a formation and players who are 11 for 11 better than the other team, but we have absolutely nothing in place to make our team even better than their parts. We could have been so incredibly good with this team, but we’re all over the place.

And this isn’t about two games, here is where the eye test comes in and we judge based on that. I wonder if the players see a plan and are motivated for the future with this manager, because now it really doesn’t look like it. I don’t see happiness and a lot of positivity.

 

[red4ever 79]

Just watched his interview after the game on bt where the board falls down. He is just smiling and laughing away. He's chuffed to bits he is in the job. Bet he can't believe his luck

 

[crossy1686]

This is an odd argument. I'm not anti-Ole but what has Ole won?

I've stated many times that I don't believe what a manager has won always indicates a good manager. I do however find it amusing that managers that have even less experience at a top club than Solskjaer get banded around as the answer to all our issues because they currently have a team that was built for them playing well within a system they were hired to play.

 

[crossy1686]

Just watched his interview after the game on bt where the board falls down. He is just smiling and laughing away. He's chuffed to bits he is in the job. Bet he can't believe his luck

Where on Earth did you get that from? He's chuffed we've played like shit and still managed to get three points, which is how we all feel.

 

[He'sRaldo]

The Ole haters keep moving the goal posts, first it was finish top 4 which Ole has done, now it’s point totals and styles of play. We’ve had a couple of bad games but we were playing some great football last season.

Of course expectations will change over time.

Usually for us it should be title challenge 2nd season, so even the points tally thing is being kind to Ole because we think he can't challenge the current crop of managers.

 

[red4ever 79]

Where on Earth did you get that from? He's chuffed we've played like shit and still managed to get three points, which is how we all feel.

I get it from his demeanour. Go watch it.

 

[TheGame]

Drop the undefeated crap please. One win and two losses is the same as three draws so to speak, we really need to win more games and score more goals. Watching great players struggle to play coherent football is a big travesty. Not that I expect Guardiola-football from any other manager, but I got depressed after nine minutes seeing how players act as a team compared to our stuff. We are a formation and players who are 11 for 11 better than the other team, but we have absolutely nothing in place to make our team even better than their parts. We could have been so incredibly good with this team, but we’re all over the place.

And this isn’t about two games, here is where the eye test comes in and we judge based on that. I wonder if the players see a plan and are motivated for the future with this manager, because now it really doesn’t look like it. I don’t see happiness and a lot of positivity.

You mean stop quoting facts because it doesn’t suit your narrative. I’ve edited my post as checked and it’s 3 defeats in 28 games in all competitions. We’ve won 19 of them. Of course it’s about 2 games because I’ve just quoted the stats from our run last season. Players seem motivated to me. I’ll judge our league position after 10 games to see where we are. Not have knee jerk reactions.

 

[TheGame]

Of course expectations will change over time.

Usually for us it should be title challenge 2nd season, so even the points tally thing is being kind to Ole because we think he can't challenge the current crop of managers.

Yes they will over time but that was only last season and we are only 2 games into this one. There hasn’t been any time yet.

 

[He'sRaldo]

Yes they will over time but that was only last season and we are only 2 games into this one. There hasn’t been any time yet.

Recently, the league has become so competitive that one game lost is a huge deal.

And when you add in the poor performances of the last few games it makes it seem like we will be in a fight for top 4 again, while playing poor football and thus not achieving any of our goals.

 

[dev1l]

Of course expectations will change over time.

Usually for us it should be title challenge 2nd season, so even the points tally thing is being kind to Ole because we think he can't challenge the current crop of managers.

We cannot challenge for the title with this squad.

You cannot make up for years and years of mismanagement in one or two seasons especially when you are competing with teams like City who are ahead of you and are investing same amounts as you are.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

The question is not whether he's been backed or not. Week in, week out, teams with much worse rosters are outplaying us in the field. If we need to spend a billion pounds on superstars so that Brighton don't overrun us, then Ole is not the man for the job.

I agree with this so much.And all this talk about not expecting him to get top 4 If he doesn't get any more transfers is infuriating.

 

[TheGame]

Just watched his interview after the game on bt where the board falls down. He is just smiling and laughing away. He's chuffed to bits he is in the job. Bet he can't believe his luck

Can you tell me the lottery numbers please as you are such a good mind reader.

 

[crossy1686]

Of course expectations will change over time.

Usually for us it should be title challenge 2nd season, so even the points tally thing is being kind to Ole because we think he can't challenge the current crop of managers.

Everyone agreed at the end of last season he deserved another season at least if we got top 4. We did that and now people are saying he should be sacked after 2 league games because "insert bullshit reason here".

This season is looking like a write off if we don't recruit as we should. He hasn't really been supported this summer so far and the team is only looking better due to his coaching. We've got players that have failed under multiple managers let's not forget.

Let's compare with Klopp's progress at Liverpool, spot the difference:

United
Summer 2019

Maguire
Wan-Bissaka
James

January 2020

Fernandes
Ighalo (loan)

Summer 2020

Van Der Beek

Liverpool

Marko Grujic	Red Star Belgrade	£5,100,000	6 January 2016
Steven Caulker	Queens Park Rangers	On Loan	12 January 2016
Kamil Grabara	Ruch Chorzow	£250,000	15 January 2016
Sadio Mané	Southampton	£30,000,000	28 June 2016
Loris Karius	Mainz 05	£4,700,000	1 July 2016
Joël Matip	Free Transfer	Free	1 July 2016
Ragnar Klavan	Augsburg	£4,200,000	20 July 2016
Alex Manninger	Free Transfer	Free	22 July 2016
Georginio Wijnaldum	Newcastle United	£25,000,000 *	22 July 2016
Mohamed Salah	Roma	£43,900,000 *	22 June 2017
Dominic Solanke	Chelsea	£4,000,000 *	1 July 2017
Andy Robertson	Hull City	£10,000,000 *	21 July 2017
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain	Arsenal	£35,000,000	31 August 2017
Virgil Van Dijk	Southampton	£75,000,000	1 January 2018
Naby Keita	Red Bull Leipzig	£52,750,000	1 July 2018
Fabinho Tavarez	AS Monaco	£43,700,000 *	1 July 2018
Xherdan Shaqiri	Stoke City	£13,750,000	13 July 2018
Alisson Becker	Roma	£65,000,000 *	19 July 2018
Sepp van den Berg	PEC Zwolle	£4,400,000 *	27 June 2019
Harvey Elliott	Fulham	£0 *	28 July 2019
Adrián San Miguel	Free Transfer	Free	5 August 2019
Andy Lonergan	Free Transfer	Free	12 August 2019
Takumi Minamino	Red Bull Salzburg	£7,250,000	1 January 2020
Kostas Tsimikas	Olympiacos	£11,750,000	10 August 2020
Thiago Alcantara	Bayern Munich	£27,400,000 *	18 September 2020
Diogo Jota	Wolves	£45,000,000 *	19 September 2020

 

[TheGame]

Recently, the league has become so competitive that one game lost is a huge deal.

And when you add in the poor performances of the last few games it makes it seem like we will be in a fight for top 4 again, while playing poor football and thus not achieving any of our goals.

But it’s not the first time we’ve had a poor start to the season and won’t be the last. As I’ve stated, it’s best to judge the table after 10 games to see how things stand not after 2.

 

[crossy1686]

I get it from his demeanour. Go watch it.

You've got no idea what you're talking about. Literally making stuff up to support your narrative of what you want to believe.

 

[dev1l]

The question is not whether he's been backed or not. Week in, week out, teams with much worse rosters are outplaying us in the field. If we need to spend a billion pounds on superstars so that Brighton don't overrun us, then Ole is not the man for the job.

Hoffenheim today won 4-1 vs Bayern - the European champions. Bayern are much superior. Just to give ve you an indication, Hoffenheim s record signing was at 11m euros.
It shouldn't be the case,no?
Should they sack their coach too?

 

[passing-wind]

I'm unsure what people's expectations are ? us getting top four again would earmark progress under Ole.

Our team is not coached well enough to progress in Europe because we do not maintain possession well enough. We are also too inconsistent in our performances to win the league. I think Ole will need to bow out of management the moment we hit that inevitable ceiling, of having a squad good enough to challenge but having a manager unable to bridge the gap to us winning major silverware.

 

[crossy1686]

Hoffenheim today won 4-1 vs Bayern - the European champions. Bayern are much superior. Just to give ve you an indication, Hoffenheim s record signing was at 11m euros.
It shouldn't be the case,no?
Should they sack their coach too?

Dortmund also lost 2-0 yesterday. Clubs all over Europe have had no preseason. People need to calm the feck down instead of being panicky morons

 

[crossy1686]

I'm unsure what people's expectations are ? us getting top four again would earmark progress under Ole.

Our team is not coached well enough to progress in Europe because we do not maintain possession well enough. We are also too inconsistent in our performances to win the league. I think Ole will need to bow out of management the moment we hit that inevitable ceiling, of having a squad good enough to challenge but having a manager unable to bridge the gap to us winning major silverware.

Prove this point to be true, that one of the biggest clubs in the world isn't coached well and no one cares.

 

[He'sRaldo]

We cannot challenge for the title with this squad.

You cannot make up for years and years of mismanagement in one or two seasons especially when you are competing with teams like City who are ahead of you and are investing same amounts as you are.

Even if it's true, you can't remove the manager from this equation. The question should be "can we challenge with this squad and manager", and whoever the weak links are should be replaced starting at the most important positions.

After all, you can have a title winning squad come in 7th purely from a change of manager.

 

[dev1l]

Even if it's true, you can't remove the manager from this equation. The question should be "can we challenge with this squad and manager", and whoever the weak links are should be replaced starting at the most important positions.

After all, you can have a title winning squad come in 7th purely from a change of manager.

This squad needs upgrading - when it s upgraded then you can judge the manager.

 

[dove]

Hoffenheim today won 4-1 vs Bayern - the European champions. Bayern are much superior. Just to give ve you an indication, Hoffenheim s record signing was at 11m euros.
It shouldn't be the case,no?
Should they sack their coach too?

I couldn't care less how other teams do, I am concerned about the club I support and we are not doing good, how hard is it to admit that instead of looking for excuses every single time?

This squad needs upgrading - when it s upgraded then you can judge the manager.

Jesus fecking Christ

 

[dev1l]

I couldn't care less how other teams do, I am concerned about the club I support and we are not doing good, how hard is it to admit that instead of looking for excuses every single time?


Jesus fecking Christ

I brought you the Bayern case because that s what happens in the real world. If you want to live in a fantasy of your own, you re free to do it

 

[He'sRaldo]

This squad needs upgrading - when it s upgraded then you can judge the manager.

If you reversed that line, it would still sound true.

I remember a common sentiment being that this is the best team we've had in a while and better than Mourinho's (who came 2nd), so clearly it's a very good team. And quite a few of the players have some trophies under their belt already before the manager came in, so at least they need to get back to that level before we can say the manager has gotten 100% out of them.

 

[K_Ash]

I will be Oleout if he fields Lindelof against Spurs.

 

[He'sRaldo]

This season is looking like a write off if we don't recruit as we should. He hasn't really been supported this summer so far and the team is only looking better due to his coaching. We've got players that have failed under multiple managers let's not forget.

We really can't be writing off seasons as Man Utd simply because we missed out on a target or two.

If we had the best manager in the world we wouldn't be too worried about that, but lines like those give the feeling that we're trying to buy the best players to accommodate a lesser quality manager.

 

[crossy1686]

I brought you the Bayern case because that s what happens in the real world. If you want to live in a fantasy of your own, you re free to do it

Ignore it. People keep saying "I don't care about other teams, I only care about United" but this is dangerous and leads to making rash decisions.

I said it the other day, if you look at the league as a collective, teams are shipping goals in for fun and no one looks that organised unless they've had a manager there for years who plays a very structured way.

So what's really happening?

Well it could be that everyone in the league has decided defending is now redundant and decided to stop any coaching of defending. Or it could be that teams aren't fit yet and there's been a lack of conditioning and organisation training as a team.

If you view this a United specific problem you're going to come up with all wild conspiracies, whereas if you view it as a league problem you'll see the answer is pretty obvious.

 

[dove]

I brought you the Bayern case because that s what happens in the real world. If you want to live in a fantasy of your own, you re free to do it

Ironic. I think many of Ole supporters definitely live in a fantasy world.