I've beginning to think that this may be the case. With Ronaldo upfront, and Maguire at the back, Conte may actually be better for us (without any changes to the squad) than Pep or Klopp. I do think we can play front foot footy but it would requre some time and changes too.
Would you take Conte at United?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Ah so it's all the other parties fault and not Conte's then?
The guy is drama that I don't want to have to deal with at my club. Ole needs to go asap but Conte ain't the man to replace him
I am genuinely curious why there are so many in here who think that Spurs will get top four ahead of us. We have the better players, the better squad and we just beaten them 3-0. They will run close but they won’t finish ahead of us. Reminds me of the times when the same lot laughably had Jose‘s Spurs finishing ahead of us when he was appointed
People love the self loathing, the grass is greener everywhere else
I guess some are more convinced of the value of the manager over that of the players. Who would win over a season, a world class manager with an average squad vs an average manager with world class players?
Conte has to go to London and agree things with Levy first right?
I think I will wait before that before panicking myself.
I think I will wait before that before panicking myself.
I think it is more a matter of there are several teams that could be near 4th at the end of the year rather than Spurs specially. If Conte does take over there, I have no doubt he will have that squad willing to run through a wall for him. If the infighting and players questioning Ole continues, it can have a pretty devastating effect. I would say there are a lot of wheels turning here and not just one aspect or team.
I'm more worried about Moyes's WH.
The issue is he isn't average. He's volatile. The players could be firing on all cylinders and we get top 4 or it could be like the last month's and we finish 9th. If our results weren't so volatile I would take the average manager and world class squad.
In the examples that you gave, yes? Diego Costa wanted to leave England for personal reasons and was being unprofessional, it had nothing to do with something Conte did and from that point Conte wanted him nowhere near the rest of the team. As for Suning, it has been a weird situation where they claim to be particularly ambitious but seemingly don't have the funds, in the end we now know that they don't have it Suning are in financial trouble and their chinese club filled for bankruptcy.
Only a few die hards thought Jose was still a good manager when we sacked him, but Conte won the league just last season and shows no signs of decline. He's unquestionably a better manager than Ole. Whether that will overcome a deficit in squad quality, hard to say, but far from impossible.
Their league of legends team was also dissolved, however irrelevant that is.
Let's just do the "Italian job" and kidnap him while we are over there.
Horrible timing from our point of view with Spurs wanting a new manager. We might not have been interested in him, but lose a few more games badly and the board could have changed their mind.
Zidane......I think that answers that question.
Zidane is the average manager or did he had average players?
Feel like there will always be competition from the top clubs. RM with Ancelotti, PSG with Poch, Barca with Xavi, Arsenal with Arteta off the top of my head for clubs that might need new bosses.
If anything it was the right time to get someone like Conte because the only real competition was Spurs and no one in their right mind would take that job over the United one.
An 18 month contract is excellent and exactly what we should have done. We all know he is short term and it works for him. He comes in, gets us winning and he's off - if it goes well enough that we all want to continue then it will. In those 18 months we could be buttering up Ten Haag or someone rather than giving them a shit show
Damn Spurs
Damn Spurs
Did you see the team he had at Madrid that won multiple Chmps League titles?
Yes, the same team that didn't win with Benitez an actual average manager, I also don't remember Barcelona win 3 CLs in a row with a better team than that. I also remember the team that won the league in 19/20, it wasn't world class team. I think that calling Zidane an average manager is not accurate.
The only problem being that Conte is currently in London.
Well let us see what He does at his next club then.
Tuchel won the CL and got top 4 with the same Chelsea side that was drifting into midtable. Spurs have Kane and Son who were brilliant for parts of last season. If Spurs got Conte tomorrow, I think they'd be more likely to get top 4 than us.
I don't remember if I wanted us to lose during Moyes' time but my frustration with our lack of ruthlessness has now gotten to the point were I think we'd be better off long-term if we lost against Spurs. Most opposition fans seem happy that we won. They can laugh at Spurs and enjoy us struggling.
United never been interested in him
Always focused on Pochettino and Rodgers, but it’s unlikely a change of the manager
Nobody at the club interested in changing Ole, the staff and other things and start again from zero
Till the club is in the first 4/6 places it’s all ok
Always focused on Pochettino and Rodgers, but it’s unlikely a change of the manager
Nobody at the club interested in changing Ole, the staff and other things and start again from zero
Till the club is in the first 4/6 places it’s all ok
We always do but it doesn't really answer the question of how Zidane is an average manager when his achievements aren't average. Of course I could be wrong but did you have the same opinion about Guardiola in 2013?
That's the end of that. He's off to spurs . So now we can concentrate on our own business.
It would have been a poisoned chalice anyway. Conte was never right for anything other than a caretaker manager.
As long as Ole keeps winning, keep him in the job. It's that simple.
As long as Ole keeps winning, keep him in the job. It's that simple.
When has Zidane ever had average players?
And we lose the next 2? Then what?
When has Guardiola ever had average players? Is that how you judge a manager and not on how they perform at the highest level against the best teams and managers in the world?
I think it's a mistake to go by one result, or even a couple. The board should already have a metric in place, where if a bad run reaches a certain duration, it's the end.
It's not just the next 2 matches, it's who we are playing in those 2 matches. We should beat Atalanta. A draw would be a good result against City. We've lost 3 of our last 5 in the league. Our record in the league over 10 is 5W 2D 3L, which is still not calamitous even if it's not what we want.
Liverpool was a disaster. Aston Villa and Leicester were poor performances with a host of errors and tactical miscues. If we would have lost against that really poor Spurs side, it would have been 4 losses out of the last 5 played in the league, which would be enough for sacking (in my view, unless there was some force majeure reason).
At the midpoint of the season we should assess where we are. Ole's win percentage needs to be at a certain predetermined amount. What that amount is, I don't know. It's relative to league position and the competition around us. At the midpoint we should be in the top 4, or within a game of being in the top 4, or else that is also a sacking offense.
We just emerged from a bad run of form. If Villa and Leicester had gone our way, we'd all be singing zipadeedoodah out our wahzoos. We'd be currently in 2nd with Liverpool in 5th. So you have to judge over a certain period of time, or number of matches, and then act dispassionately.
Winning? What's he won?
Both have never had average players and both have had bottomless pits of resources to draw from so until we see them manage a mid table side in a strong league we will never know how good they are as managers in the true sense of the word.
That's not simple, it makes no sense considering how much we've not been winning.
I'd like to change my plea. I voted no on Conte, with the expectation that we might get Zidane instead. But despite my concerns about him being a short-term solution, and that I expect our board to hang on too long for our own good, I still think Conte would be better than the likes of fn Brendan Rodgers.
Our club has lost the boat again.
We don`t need him, Ole`s at the wheel .
Not everything is about the players, Conte is a world class manager Ole is not. That's where the comparison is and where it ends
Some quotes from an Italian journalist about Conte going to Spurs :
"The level of concentration and the quality of training will increase under Conte. Every single player will get that energy jolt thrust into them - if they follow him. And if they don't, he has no problem whoever it is to completely freeze them out, he doesn't care."
"They mopped the floor with every single team in Serie A by playing a very organised style of play and they scored for fun."
I wonder whether we might do another Ronaldo and go for him.
"The level of concentration and the quality of training will increase under Conte. Every single player will get that energy jolt thrust into them - if they follow him. And if they don't, he has no problem whoever it is to completely freeze them out, he doesn't care."
"They mopped the floor with every single team in Serie A by playing a very organised style of play and they scored for fun."
I wonder whether we might do another Ronaldo and go for him.
That's not the true sense of the word though, neither have average results at the highest level. Is winning 3CLs and 2 league titles in 4.5 years the average return for Real Madrid? Knowing that no Real Madrid manager has won 2 La Liga titles since Del Bosque in 2001 and 2003.
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