If the man they really want was available I think he'd have gone after Liverpool.
But the rational view incites intense mockery and backlash while the irrational view is regarded as a requirement to be a true fan.
It's not all black and white. I just don't losing to Spurs wouldn't change anything. If losing to Liverpool didn't change boards mind and they didn't bring in Conte losing to Spurs wouldn't change it either.
No, because I do not believe that Ole would be sacked even if he lost. But If had to make a choice between losing to Spurs to sack Ole, then I'd have taken that option every. single. time.
You're under the assumption that anyone gives a crap what the morons in charge of this club want. They are the ones who gave 2 3 years contracts to Ole. What they want is the last thing any United fan should be concerned about.
This is the kind of elitist attitude I absolutely can't stand and this is the kind of attitude that is driving this club to the ground. The idea that you HAVE to support the club no matter what, even if they are making absolutely idiotic choices. That you have tos upport the manager, yada yada. Whatever. I know that Ole is not good enoug hand we're going nowhere with him, so the faster we bin him, the faster the club can progress. You go on and do you - cheer Ole's at the wheel while getting smacked 0-5 by Liverpool at home, I don't care. But don't pretend you're anymore fan than me or anyone else for that matter because you're not. You're just content with accepting mediocrity, which is fine, I guess.
Being a football fan isn't really rational - indeed, just the opposite.
If the board feel Ole is never going to reach the standards required of a United manager, why delay his sacking until the end of the season, writing it off in the process? Doesn't make any sense. They may as well appoint an interim and make use of the inevitable new manager bump that comes with it.
They are probably saving a possible new manager bump for the run in (if it looks like we're going to miss 4th place).
Because hiring and sacking many doesn't come cheap. And top managers don't tend to take interim roles either.
I haven't a clue what they're doing. I genuinely mean that.
I don't agree with that because a real fan is in it forever which means that a real fan should accept a loss if it means that the club is better for it in the long run. Irrationally wanting to see the club win despite the fact that it's going to hurt it is weird and impossible to defend which is why we label it as irrational because it doesn't serve the club that we love. If anything the rational fans are "true" fans at all time, they are willing to accept and anticipate something they don't like because it's good for the club.
We don't need a top manager to fill an interim role, just someone competent enough to motivate the side, has a proper beard and is fluent in French.
Could still happen this week or next. Laurent Blanc perhaps? Experienced manager. Won a league title as a coach.
If it makes you feel any better, I doubt the board knows what they are doing either... I think @Infra-red is very nice to assume the board looks ahead to the run in. We are talking about a board that was pressured into making Ole the permanent manager and extended his contract while there was zero reason to rush into any of those things.
Absolutely no chance. He's not a manager. He's also one of the biggest club legends of all time. We can't fall for that trap again and it becomes awful when it goes badly.We're thinking of different Frenchmen.
We have become a joke in the footballing world. Oppo fans were scared when it was rumored that we will get Conte, now they are celebrating because we are keeping Ole.
I just hope the right options are still on the market next summer and fear we could regret not taking Conte last week
Mourinho won us trophies though so I don’t understand this wrong track thing. We just need a world class coach.
Why? I couldn't give a shit about top 4 anyway. If that's the level now for keeping the job and that's called a great achievement then this club is doomed to win NOTHING! Bringing Rodgers in would be a terrible decision as well as he's a title winner in Scotland where he had NO opposition. If Conte goes to Spurs then I think that's great for them but absolute shit for us.
My sentiments exactly
Yeah I agree with all of that. I just can’t see myself laughing if we lose out on 4th.
man city have the best ever manager and are 3 points ahead of us. west ham have a manager who was called our worst ever manager and are three points ahead of us. all kinds of nuance to this
it is probably easy if you think ole will get us relegated or similar. i think we have a fair chance of getting into top 4, a similar chance as we would with any other interim manager, so i dont see the rush. be better to get the next appointment correct and take chances on where ole gets us in the mean time, in my view
id say jose at the time was still gold dust, i dont really understand the view that tuchel came to chelsea billed as an elite manager. he had just failed in one of the easiest jobs in football. not saying he came with no fanfare at all, but his reputation wasn't at a peak. mou had one bad falling out at madrid at that point, and had won a league at every team he had managed if im correct.
what was the mistake in summer given that conte and a few others turned them down? i think they went with 5th or 6th choice. had to pick a manager. fortunate for them that conte has changed his mind now probably, or they wouldn't have sacked nuno today
fair enough mate
I don’t think there’s any single “right” way of being a fan. You can be a fan in the 100%-support-no-matter-what kind of way, even if you know the club is just spiraling further and further into the wilderness, and that’s admirable in its own right. But you could also be a fan in the more pragmatic/ruthless way in that you want what’s best for the club, even if it means taking short term pain to get it. I just disagree with all the mockery that gets thrown at any fan who dares to say that they hope for a loss as it’s better for the club in the long run.
No - we want to get out of the CL group!
Yep I have accepted there won't be any change now until at least the summer much as I don't think he's the right guy
I do get it. On the flipside, wishing for defeat is just anathema for many fans and therefore totally incomprehensible.
That's a fairly nutty strategy! Like too nutty to be anywhere near true.
