No guarantee we sack Ole if we lose to City. Actually, I think the chance he is getting sacked anytime before Christmas is very small at this point.
Would you take Conte at United?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Just a feeling. If he fails pretty bad at Spurs, I could see his reputation as one manager up there with Pep and Klopp taking a big hit, and him having to take up another job of similar standing with Tottenham's in order to restore that. Failure at another club could hurt him real bad as a manager considering there is already a few questions about his champions league record and the environment in which he won some of his league titles, with his tendency to disagree with club's hierarchy.
All baseless from me though, so don't need to take it any further.
I don't think Conte would agree to come to Spurs if he hasn't been guaranteed a significant amount of money to spend - quite possibly from selling Kane.
Even at the clubs he's won titles with Conte has had meltdowns, are you forgetting the row with Costa during that first season with Chelsea? Are you forgetting he almost walked out on Inter a few months into the job there as well? He's a ticking time bomb
Are the Spurs fans feeling excited by this? They should be
He's Italian, it goes with the territory
Yeah I would certainly be very weary in appointing him now.
Precisely why I don't want him here
People think the Mourinho comparisons are down to style of play or whatever, its not. It's because they're both fecking mental
Selling Kane to fund a rebuild won’t go THAT far though, considering Conte left Inter because he wants to be somewhere with funds to push for the Champions League. Maybe they’ve found money from somewhere, otherwise I think Conte is making a terrible mistake. However, even with this squad he’ll make Spurs more of a threat to United, Leicester, West Ham, Arsenal.
If its true that he’d take an 18 month contract United should move in. There’s no risk there, just upside given your squad.
He’s finished if we get done 5-0 at home again.
I don’t really get the fuss over Conte. Better than Ole but short termist. I don’t really think this club is structured for a managerial rotation, though perhaps it should be. I certainly don’t think he’s the answer, and might well be a bullet dodged. We’re not winning the league this season with or without Conte so I don’t think it matters. If it means we get Ten Hag in the summer it’ll be a positive.
Now watch us get Brendan fecking Rodgers over Conte, we really are, a joke at this point.
Yeah, I get the feeling Conte had his eyes on another job so turned down Spuds in the Summer. That job is obviously not available in the foreseeable so he is now backtracking and going to them.
I don’t really disagree with that. If he fails at Spurs his reputation will take a knock, it won’t be as substantial as in Mourinho’s case though because it will be his first failed job. It’s definitely the most difficult one he has taken, I’m actually a bit surprised he’s up for it but perhaps he wants to manage in England and is aware that he won’t get the job at City/Liverpool/Chelsea as they have top class managers already for the long term and United are committed to Ole.
If Conte goes to Spurs I'd be surprised. He left Inter cos they wanted to sell players and a lack of investment. Levy would have to match Contes ambitions. Can't see that happening. If he does it won't last long. 6 months.
We won't lose 5-0 again. You saw the fallout from that game, he shelved hundred of million of pounds worth of his attacking options to pack the defence and eek out results while playing on counter. He's in full survival mode, all the planning about playing expansive fluid football is out of the window.
Not, that our board will ever ask the question to him. Why, spend all of that money, when you are going to resort to 5 at the back with 2DMs in front of them to get results...
This board doesn't have a plan, they'll be forced into making a decision like they always have. Ole will stay, until Top 4 mathematically becomes impossible. At that juncture, they'll panic and appoint whoever is out of job and pretend everything is fine. We are finished.
Well the short term obvious option for any club who have sacked their manager is Conte, that much is pretty obvious, he's the most established manager available. I thought that is pretty much self evident. Like you say he can easily make his system work with these players, as Ole showed against Spurs, so why haven't we gone for him already?
I'm not sure what your opinion is really, whether you think the board are short-term thinkers or long-term. You seem to be claiming they are short-term? I don't agree, at all.
Ole made them believe he was the right man for the job, the entire country were encouraging them to give him a full time contract and they did so after an excellent initial spell as caretaker. They've then done what they want to do and back him, with a long term view that he will bring success in time. They've said pretty much this a number of times and have just given him a three year new deal, pretty obvious they are trying to play the long ball game with Ole.
Of course no appointment has a guaranteed shelf life, but the intention for it to be a long term appointment can and does effect the selection process. If we hired Conte tomorrow it would be viewed as a decision to gain quick results with a likely short term appointment.
If we hired Ten Haag tomorrow people would rightly expect a transition period with a view to seeing results in time, therefore a longer term approach. But the time it takes varies, there's no definitive.
I'd rather we transition to a different style so I'd rather Ten Haag to Conte. Because I prefer the formers style of football.
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No I'm not forgetting a manager being upset with an unprofessional player and no I'm not forgetting the manager being upset with untrustworthy owners. I don't call either of these things meltdowns because in both case it never affected his ability to do his job at a high level. Similarly I don't consider SAF having a meltdown when he was upset with Keane or when he was on a feud regarding Rock of Gibraltar.
Edit: One thing that is true about him is that he is a drama queen but it doesn't prevent him from doing his job, the same applies to Tuchel.
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9/1 for Spurs to finish in the Top 4 is looking tasty.
No guarantee whatsoever but worth waiting 5 days!
I think the chance he gets sacked without us having someone sensible lined up is slim, as it should be
The board are no thinkers. And your last point is where I am and why I prefer ten Hag, despite the question marks, it has nothing to do with long term vs short term and we don't need to justify our stylistic preferences with notions that have no reality in sport.
Any chance he just couldn't catch a flight to Manchester, so Woody is meeting him in London?
Please...?
That's what the Tories said about Brexit.
Plenty of sensible options out there. It’s incredibly easy to improve on who we have, but I’ve seen your posts elsewhere and I have no interest in arguing with you, with all due respect.
That makes no sense given the length of contact is being reported as everywhere as only until end of next season. Why would you sell Kane to fund someone you only see as a short term appointment?
You think that there is plenty of sensible options? I genuinely struggle to find one.
Well, there goes our only hope. Stuck with that useless piece of driftwood as manager till the end of time now. Ole-inners get what they want; the club achieves nothing in the next 5 years as Ole hugs his wheel and gets trumped by Spurs of all things. Lad's, it's Man United.
Poch I believe, SAF has big pull in that boardroom and its no secret he wanted him at United.
He is going to Spurs who have sacked their manager after being 2 points behind us.
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He’s making it sound so ominous. Like what’s going to happen, is he going execute a couple of underperforming players just show that he’s arrived?
Zidane is not interested apparently, but I am not confident we actually tried, or tried enough.
Mancini and Luis Enrique are both options that we can try to get. The word in the media seems like we didn’t approach either. I am not convinced that a national team manager won’t be tempted by the United job with the right charm offensive (and compensation).
Conte is fantastic. I don’t buy into this short term issue. All managers are short term till they earn the chance to be long term. I don’t mind his football and I don’t think anything we’ve showed in the past 3 years is better than anything his teams over the years have shown. He’s demanding and confrontational? So are Pep and Tuchel. It’s not enough of an issue. These people are basically saying that they wouldn’t have hired Tuchel after PSG because at that point he had fallen out publicly with PSG and Dortmund.
Even someone like Potter, while certainly not first choice for me, but might be worth trying on an 18 months contract to see what he can do.
To me, persisting with Ole at this point is not just wrong, it will actually hurt us long term. I didn’t think he should get the job long term before the end of the season when he was interim, or he should be renewed for 3 years on the back of losing the EL final, and I certainly don’t think he should be in a job any longer, not even a day longer. The difference between our quality of squad and quality of manager is so stark, it’s unreal how anyone can’t see it.
Based on that you have Conte and Potter, seemingly only Potter. Mancini and Luis Enrique aren't leaving their countries until the WC is over
He will pick the biggest guy among them and shank him
I think Kane needs to prepare.
Find it funny how there was all this talk of Solskjær being sacked last week and he was clear favourites to and conte taking over.. yet Solskjær is the one who’s got another manager sacked and conte looks like replacing him the way I see it is if we really wanted conte we’d of sacked Solskjær because conte was available and ready… we obviously don’t want conte and they have another manager lined up maybe for next season… possibly ten Haag. Although Rodgers has gone favourites now to be the next manager
the way I see it is if we really wanted conte we’d of sacked Solskjær because conte was available and ready… we obviously don’t want conte and they have another manager lined up maybe for next season… possibly ten Haag. Although Rodgers has gone favourites now to be the next managerOle the grim reaper. Can't kill the undead.
So is this guy any decent at managing ?
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