What kind of win rate do you expect from someone managing Brighton?
They’re not the best examples in my opinion. They both had extremely high level playing careers, which would help to command respect in a dressing room. Zidane tells you to do something and you’re just going to do it. Potter, I guess he’s had no issues so far with this, but it’s a massive risk for a club like United to assume it will work.
how much do you think Ole playing career and **** status on the club played much into the support the big name players give him?
Not that much, I think. It's not like he was superstar player, he is more of a **** icon that players who didn't grow-up supporting United wouldn't be particularly in awe of. Besides, we've seen bad managers with big reputations as players rapidly lose dressing rooms before. Whatever aura there is quickly disappears when actually managing the team kicks in, I think. Then it's about what they're actually doing day-to-day.
Really not sure about Howe, everything about him says he would be fine, but after Potter I feel we've been spoilt at Brighton and I'd prefer someone more progressive.
Howe is genuine garbage.
There was quite a bit of crap, but some very good ones in there as well
Everton were a big club who many would consider a stepping stone now. So how would Potter taking another job help him when it didn't help Moyes at all.
You don't know that unless you know Potter. Would you say Ole has drowned? LVG and Jose failed for other reasons unless you're suggesting they can manage the pressure of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc but not here, whereas Solskjaer, the ex Cardiff and Molde manager can.
Perhaps Everton too if they sack Benitez.
Why is Potter any more classier than Ole? No need to throw personal insults around about Ole now.
Do you know what Jurgen Klopps win rate was with Mainz in the Bundesliga? 102 games.
I meant manager of higher class in terms of quality. Not sure if I could say it that way in English though. And Potters' achievements compared to Ole's definitely show that he is few classes above. He was better in Scandinavia, Premiership and Championship.
Crikey, and that's with the solid start they've made this season.
28%
Lack of experience is the least of Ole's problems.
Klopp had a win record of 40.4% with Mainz, but that is including being in Bundesliga 2. Klopp's win percentage during his time in the Bundesliga with Mainz was 28.33%, which would have ruled him out for a job for Manchester United, in that case.
People make too much of a deal out of experience at the top level. There are many managers that have more experience at the top level, but it doesn't mean it is good. A person could manage a top team and lose every game. Does that mean he is better because he has experience at a top club? No, what it shows is that experience is an overrated thing without taking into account performances and results.
To say he would drown is baseless. Why would he?
Yeah, same. I would take Potter over Ole, but I'm not expecting him to come here and mount a title challenge immediately. That ship has sailed imo.
A tiny club that had money. There was nothing miraculous about it. That was all PR. They spent their way to the PL and would still be there if Howe spent better.
Did he go to manage Bayern or Real or Liverpool after Mainz?
Graham Gooch innit
Good point. Bet Bayern and Real wish he did, though. And someone like Hansi Flick? Managed Hoffenheim and then spent fifteen years as an assistent.
They could've been so much better last season if they just took their chances. Look at the expected goals table and the volume of chances they create. They're right below the big 6/7 + Villa + Westham (and above Everton) for last season.
He came 16th in the PL last season.
All fair points (and let me preface by saying I rate Potter highly), but Klopp wasn't in contention for a top job when he left Mainz either - Dortmund were very much a midtable/top half side that had just finished 13th when they appointed him, and they were only 6th/5th in his first two seasons.
Ole's level was way lower actually. You seem to forget how (un)successful he was both in Premiership and Championship in his Cardiff stint.
Well, you would think that when Dortmund hired a young manager who just got relegated it was not due to his win rate. I mean, he got relegated 07 and failed to get promoted in his final season in 08. The second biggest club in Germany still went for him. Why? Probably because the people who was hiring at Dortmund knew a thing or two about football.
Is this a parody post? He was working with a squad barely Championship level.
