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Would you take Graham Potter at United?
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Thanks a mil.
Sure, but can we bring the the chosen one gimmick back for this one?
Graham Potter: the man who managed
Graham Potter: the man who managed
You don’t go from Brighton to this current Man Utd, man. He looks like a very promising manager but he absolutely needs at least one stepping stone.
How come?
Utd need a superstar manager that will be given the space to make mistakes, experiment and get his formula right. Ole being a legend got a lot of leeway from ex players and fans. No one is going to be as patient with Potter. Its got to be one of Zidane, Conte or Rodgers at a stretch.
Yeah. Pretty interesting how a jet engine manufacturer wouldn’t interview a football manager
Voted yes on the basis that even though he wouldn't be my first, second or possibly even third choice just from the names we're throwing around, if he was appointed I'd be more intrigued than underwhelmed.
Whereas with someone like Rodgers, I'd just be underwhelmed.
Whereas with someone like Rodgers, I'd just be underwhelmed.
Good points! I want to agree with you but i wish we could pick a safe winning option for now (Conte) and hire some long term prospect in the long run!
No more learning on the job. Manage a big side and show if you can handle the pressure. It is too soon for him to get United Job
How come?
Because he does not have the required abilities.
Why do you think he does?
Nagelsmann was managing one of the wealthiest teams in Germany though. I know he did well at Hoffenheim before he was at Leipzig but isn’t that comparable to what Potter is doing for Brighton?
I guess if Potter was to mirror Nagelsmann he’d now go and do the Newcastle job and finish top 4. Have a good champions league run and then move to Utd the way Nagelsmann has with Bayern.
It’s a big risk, not the choice I would make right now but I wouldn’t be mad if did.
Tbf it's easy when technical people are hiring other technical people. A lot of them are just seeing how well you're able to do a job compared to the other talented people you already have. You go in knowing exactly what you want and the talent pool is big enough for you to filter down to who exactly you want.
Football is odd though. Mourinho and Van Gaal have as many credentials as you could possibly have but they were no longer at the cutting edge. Conversely Guardiola had even less experience than Ole before managing Barcelona.
More than anything we need to hire a manager on the up which takes balls and you need to accept it may not work 2-3 times and be ruthless. City were winning titles and yet still sacked Mancini and Pellegrini. We could have sacked Ole after last season as a ‘thanks but time to move on’ kind of thing. Instead we gave him a new deal.
Same. I think he'd do a good job for a 1-2 seasons actually.
Its one of those, where it's not working out you'll know within the first 3-4 months.
This Graham Potter obsession with some fans. Is it because Guardiola said he was the best English manager out there? It was an off the cuff remark. He was being polite. I wouldn't be surprised if our board offered him a 6 year deal on the back of a comment from Guardiola.
Would be an absolutely breathtakingly mad risky move.
He'd need to step up to a Wolves, West Ham, Arsenal, Tottenham level of club first and do well there.
He'd need to step up to a Wolves, West Ham, Arsenal, Tottenham level of club first and do well there.
It's because he's generally recognised as being a high-level young coach who plays football in line with the meta of top level modern football.
Now there are other factors that go into making a successful manager beyond being good tactically and in terms of coaching, especially at a club like United, which is why he wouldn't be one of my first choices. But having that reputation is a good starting point.
He's on the list of managers who should be interviewed and tracked long term by the club but not now. It's not that Brighton is too small or anything it's just I'd like to see him repeat the process at another club first.
From watching Brighton play. They genuinely play better football than us.
Hang on...why are we comparing Eddie Howe to Brendan Rodgers?
Brendan Rodgers came within a hair's breadth of winning a title with Liverpool, back when they were crap! Brendan Rodgers has won an FA Cup and multiple titles in Scotland. Brendan Rodgers has managed in the Champions League. Brendan Rodgers has been managing a team challenging at the top of the table most of his career.
I mean it's become a cliche to use this at this point, but by your logic Guardiola would never have got a job, or Rodgers, Or Mourinho, or Zidane, or many of the managers who landed a big job as their first (bar a season of reserve football).
Football management isn't comparable, Man Utd went with Moyes because he had a decade of PL management, Van Gaal because he'd won everything and was one of the most proven managers of all time, Mourinho will go down as one of the greatest and had won the PL a season or two before. Ole got the job after a good run as a caretaker, the club was indecisive once again and panicked. Time to shake off the shackles.
Graham Potter is special, and you're all going to see it within a few years. Manchester United shouldn't be a club that keeps shitting itself, it's time for some cajones. Bring him in next summer and never look back. He took the hard route in management, going to the bottom of Sweden and transforming the club. Now he's in the PL, a staggering achievement, he's a good man and he's going to the top.
Agreed the step up is so big, he's certainly very interesting but I'd like to see him at somewhere like Everton first. Though at this point I'd take almost anyone over Ole
It's a bit like Mike Walker going from Norwich to Everton (ask your kids) or Gerry Francis always moaning when he was at QPR about not having money or resources to build a team and then nose-diving when his bluff was called at Spurs.
No he's been widely regarded for some time.
His achievements and education are quite impressive.
LVG and Jose were both proven winners. Moyes and Ole were not, so it's a mixed bag. Many on here wanted Nagelsmann and he's won feck all either. I could understand if the Club were hesitant on Conte as Jose burned them badly. Is easy to sit back as a fan and know how to run a club. Not saying Potter is the solution but he's doing very well thus far in his career.
He'd get an interview with Boeing no bother though. United are Boeing right now.
When will this nonsense stop getting repeated? LVG was far past it by the time we got him, his best years long behind. Jose was obviously not the same Jose pre-Madrid and was coming off his worst season ever. Conte just won the title with Inter and teh previous season only lost it on point. And even at the time I'm adamant that they were the right choices given the fact that Klopp and Pep both were unavailable. Who else were going to get? The board sacked LVG rightly, but at least he won a cup and got us back to top 4 after that disaster season of Moyes. Jose won us a few cups, the EL and got us top 4 twice before his full meltdown in the third season. The real mistake the board did was giving Ole a 3 years contract prior to him finishing his season with us. Basically set us back for 3 years and nothing to show for it. If the board was patient enough and waited for the end of the season, we may have gotten Nigelsmann, Conte, Ancelotti or some manager of that calibre that would propel us in an entirely different trajectory and LVG and Mou's appointments wouldn't be a problem whatsoever. Now all we can do is rectify that mistake despite us wasting 3 years on Ole and we're certainly not going to rectify that mistake by appointing an unproven manager when our squad is all in their prime and they have to win now.
He has an air of Chuck Norris about him with that beard
I actually would. Everyone is a risk and he can be an Arteta-like appointment or even better - proven to be good in the league but not at our level.
All this talk of players respecting him is a bit stupid in my opinion. Every coach starts somewhere and Potter has proven with Brighton he's got the coaching knowhow.
Conte would be my favourite but certainly would go for Potter ahead of a Rodgers.
All this talk of players respecting him is a bit stupid in my opinion. Every coach starts somewhere and Potter has proven with Brighton he's got the coaching knowhow.
Conte would be my favourite but certainly would go for Potter ahead of a Rodgers.
Its like giving the keys of a Boeing jet to a tuk tuk driver.
Ah so my opinion and factual data are nonsense?
By the way Nagelsmann has won less than Ole as a manager
unless you actually mean Nigelsmann and I've no idea who he is... As for Conti maybe the owners want someone who they won't be sacking and paying off in 1 or 2 seasons?And I'd say the real mistake was not to get a different manager once Ole completed his caretaker stint, it was always evident he wouldn't be able to take the club to an elite level.
Get a draw today and he'll go up in our estimations!
I agree with this mindset and have felt like this for years. I hope the club do grow a pair and appoint someone on the basis of their ability to coach a proactive brand of football.
Leipzig are not Brighton. They’re a very well funded and ran club. And I do have my doubts over Potter, he’s definitely a gamble. But I’d take a gamble on him rather than taking one on Rodger’s.
And I stand by my Conte dislike. I reluctantly welcomed Jose and his shit on a stick football, thinking it was a sure fire bet to get us trophies. The trophies he did bring in weren’t worth the absolute carnage he left behind.
I’m also not sure our squad really works for Contes 352 formation either. We’re stacked up top and don’t have a midfield or have any right sided wing backs. He’d really only be able to play 2 of our best 5/6 players who all play up front. We’d still have McFred in the middle until he can add some old feckers on big contracts in the next transfer window. It’d be a painful final 2/3rds of the season and I’m not sure anybody would have the patience or desire to see him complete a second.
When you have no arguments, you just argue over typos and what not. It's nto about winning trophies, it's about managerial performances. Obviously, no-one would expect of Nagelsmann to win the Bundesliga with Hoffenheim or Leipzig, but his managerial performance at both clubs were very impressive in on themselves. Got them in the CL and really gave Bayern a go with Leipzig. In comparison - Potter has done a decent job in the Norwegian league and also at Brighton, but 15 and 16th places at Brighton, albeit very good considering the club's stature, is NOT Manchester United material. A manager needs to impress a lot more. And yes he plays good football, but tha'ts not enough. If he gets Brighton this season in the EL places or CL, then you'd have an argument. But you literally have nothing except "well, let's just take a punt on the guy because he plays attractive football" at a time where the club is desperate for a person that can win right now, not 6 years from now or whatever.Ah so my opinion and factual data are nonsense?
By the way Nagelsmann has won less than Ole as a manager
And I'd say the real mistake was not to get a different manager once Ole completed his caretaker stint, it was always evident he wouldn't be able to take the club to an elite level.
As far as Conte goes, would paying off 10 million to Conte be so bad after winning the PL, compared to giving Ole 500 million to spent with nothing to show off and sacking him for 30 million? Would it be that bad? I'd take that deal any day of the week.
He's played some good football last season with a fairly shite team. So he clearly has a clue which would be an improvement.
I'd take a random Redcafe newbie as the next manager at this point.
I'd take a random Redcafe newbie as the next manager at this point.
Well based on this game, he does way better with a way worse team. Doesn't mean he is going to be the right manager for us though.
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