Xi Jinping: 'Time for China to take centre stage'
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"socialism with Chinese characteristics"
That's an interesting way to say capitalism.
That's an interesting way to say capitalism.
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Why do they care? Just get on with running a country, you twats.
Good video on the One Belt One Road project. The Chinese leadership need to show and deliver steady economic growth to the country to validate themselves.
But it's causing a lot of resentment in countries where China has invested and is developing projects. Greece was rebuked by the EU and so turned to China to redevelop the port in Piraeus. But it's causing a lot of resentment as the Chinese send their own workers to work on these projects and place a lot of restrictions on how the port is used.
But it's causing a lot of resentment in countries where China has invested and is developing projects. Greece was rebuked by the EU and so turned to China to redevelop the port in Piraeus. But it's causing a lot of resentment as the Chinese send their own workers to work on these projects and place a lot of restrictions on how the port is used.
With Japan and America helping Indian infrastructure and China boosting Pakistan it seems the sub-Indian continent may just be coming out of the stone age. I might or might not be alive to see the next stage but my kids will.
Didn’t Cameron work hard to get similar trade with China? Obviously since Brexit it was discussed too.
Far from it.
At a stab, they care because their ambition is to run the world, not just China.
Not at all, there's no direct equivalent, but it's closer to the economic policies of Third Reich than capitalism in the western world.
Yeah, they are negotiating a trade deal now I think. China has invested in developing the Hinkley Point C nuclear power station as well. Just one of the many projects they are involved in across Europe.
The reason they are developing seaports all over the world is that they can leverage this influence in case the US, Japan, Europe, India, Philippines and Australia oppose their naval aggression.
How so?
Not sure if 11million people are going to get gassed there.
In short, the Third Reich opposed both international socialism and free market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial. An important aspect of was economic dirigism, an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, the economy was based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state. They encouraged the pursuit of private profit and offered many benefits to large businesses, but they demanded in return that all economic activity should serve party interest.
I specifically said economic policy.
Any China man can tell you it's all about trade and profits for them. I dont think being a world police is ever their intention. They always stay away from world conflicts and minding their own business
Normally to take centre stage you need to win a major war or series of wars, hope this time it is different.
Not world police maybe, but I wouldn't be too confident about them staying away from conflict. China have played a very careful game of staying out of many conflicts while they built their economic powerbase, but their activities in the China Sea show that they're not intending to just sit back within their borders and count their cash.
They appear to be very sensibly and very carefully building up to a point where they can put markers in the ground and challenge US hegemony at least in Asia to begin with. Depending on how they go about it, they can probably actually make a very good case that China has considerably more right to a sphere of influence there than America does. Personally I think they're actually making a mistake with the South China Sea expansion, as its causing hostility with many neighbours, but we'll see how it plays out.
How they handle relations with Japan is also going to be a big issue. They've been pushing the 'Evil Japanese!' narrative domestically for a long time, and its possible that even if the government want to calm that down that it could be difficult now. I'd certainly expect Japan to hugely increase their militarization as China continue to grow in power. It's worrying to think about how those two countries are going to handle a power struggle in the region, as there's still a lot of hate there on both sides.
Interesting parallels. Thank you for clarifying that. I'd contend that the Third Reich achieved it's economic growth through state spending, and that the resulting debt was only forgotten (historically) because of the horrors they went on to commit soon after. China's economic growth was based on exports first and it's own size more recently... They took a very different path to prosperity.In short, the Third Reich opposed both international socialism and free market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial. An important aspect of was economic dirigism, an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, the economy was based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state. They encouraged the pursuit of private profit and offered many benefits to large businesses, but they demanded in return that all economic activity should serve party interest.
I specifically said economic policy.
But I do appreciate the similiarities, just not sure I'd come to the same conclusion.
The insane level of infrastructure spending in China over the last decade (the high speed rail, etc) certainly falls into massive state spending, also the amount of money spent on propping up state owned companies if getting out of hand.
I’m not saying it’s exactly the same, but certainly has many similarities.
The Senkaku Islands remain one of the potential flash points for WWIII, both sides will not back down from it.
Ah.. yes.. influence yes.. but they seems to pursue soft power approach in contrast with direct meddling via cia like the usa been doing in the past.
China use their money to invest in goodwill, they have many cough... charity projects on many developing countries.
Certainly i don't feel that much threatened with china growing influence.. apart from their business appeal which spells doom to many local industries.
And as a chinese you'd born to hate the japs, for their atrocities in ww2.
Yes. Very worrying for the nations in the neighbourhood. Worrying for the future of international trade routes when China can cause problems on a whim. No surprise has permanently increased naval presence in the region. Major naval exercises between Japan, US and India recently.
Maybe these nations should start developing islands the same way. Seems unethical to artificially alter the ocean but if it means security for these sea routes then why not?
Not true at all, the number of Chinese nationals who visit Japan have exploded in recent years:
https://www.tourism.jp/en/tourism-database/stats/inbound/
Also, technically Hong Kongers are mostly ethnically Chinese, they certainly love Japan. If Japan played China in Hong Kong in any international competition, you can be sure Japan are the ones HKers will overwhelmingly support.
Not really. Look at the number of chinese visiting Japan:
https://www.tourism.jp/en/tourism-database/stats/inbound/#country
Lots of chinese visitors not only from China but Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, HK etc.
Yes. Surpisingly they still visit japan. Japan ie a nice tourist destinations for asian.Not really. Look at the number of chinese visiting Japan:
https://www.tourism.jp/en/tourism-database/stats/inbound/#country
Lots of chinese visitors not only from China but Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, HK etc.
Kinda like indonesian malay still eats chinese food , but still there are underlying incompatibility that hasnt heal yet.
I live in a pretty small city and there are hundreds of Chinese here every day. The shopping centres are full of them. It is mainly so they can buy decent quality stuff.
Not really. Look at the number of chinese visiting Japan:
https://www.tourism.jp/en/tourism-database/stats/inbound/#country
Lots of chinese visitors not only from China but Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, HK etc.
Doesn't mean they don't hate them though. There is a constant undercurrent of ill feeling towards the Japanese all the way up to the top of government. From what i gather from my time in Japan the feelings are at least partly mutual.
On topic, i see three areas they need to get to grips with:
- 1.7 billion people and growing. They've kept them under control by keeping them stupid, but as more and more enter the middle classes and gain educations the central government will have a hard time keeping some very diverse provinces and regions quiet.
- the Chinese culture is very much centred around the self with very little regard for the impact of your actions on anything/anyone else.
- they have spent an absolute fortune on state owned enterprises and economic development, and everyone knows they haven't been honest with the results of it. Anything to do with Chinese government is still a black hole with zero transparency, and what the economy and the RMB is truly worth noone really knows.
- 1.7 billion people and growing. They've kept them under control by keeping them stupid, but as more and more enter the middle classes and gain educations the central government will have a hard time keeping some very diverse provinces and regions quiet.
- the Chinese culture is very much centred around the self with very little regard for the impact of your actions on anything/anyone else.
- they have spent an absolute fortune on state owned enterprises and economic development, and everyone knows they haven't been honest with the results of it. Anything to do with Chinese government is still a black hole with zero transparency, and what the economy and the RMB is truly worth noone really knows.
It's a generational thing. Just like the older Americans who fought in WW2, refused to buy Japanese cars when Datsun were first shipped to the States.
That's true, but with the Chinese making enemies out of all their neighbors, Japan has long since dropped of first place in countries they hate the most.
They hate Korea for THAAD, they hate Taiwan cause the Taiwanese don't want to get annexed, they hate Hong Kong cause HKers dared to defy the CCP, they hate Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia & co for daring to challenge their claim to the whole South China Sea...
Until the next time someone mentions the Senkakus then...
You don’t need a World war to put off buying a Datsun.
So true it's funny. Technically every neighboring countries, I'm not sure about the government, the majority of people are holding quite a strong hatred towards China. And that includes Russia.
China is the new America definitely. And better actors!
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Yikes! Bannon was right about one thing, this Chinese government feels like pre-ww2 Germany.
Germany? Not really. Though they are rattling the sabres, I think Xi realizes clearly that future is in economic dominance.
Many see this as a weakness to grab power to keep enemies at bay. Also a downturn will be blamed on him fully as he's taken everyone away from the decision making team.
Many see this as a weakness to grab power to keep enemies at bay. Also a downturn will be blamed on him fully as he's taken everyone away from the decision making team.
When you work with no accountability you are bound to make mistakes.