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Why do people keep saying we are signing him based solely off the WC? Our scouts are not dumb. My guess is that we have scouted him before he even moved to Barca.
At Palmeires before Barcelona
He's a lot better than fans on here are giving him credit for.
In comparison, here's a video of Smalling from last season:
Bar maybe aerial ability and on the ball, Smalling looks quite superior though.
If he's coming and Rojo is going then it looks like costing us around 15m.
I would be happy enough with that and will give him every chance before starting to slag him off.
Now let's get a RW in before the deadline and it ain't too shabby.
Not sure. I don't think he is faster than Smalling based off the limited videos. But faster than Blind. Just that his bulk and leg length makes him seem slow, kinda like Pogba.Today there have been one poster claiming Mina is faster than Smalling and another one claiming he's slower than Blind.
From one extreme to another.
So which is it?
Today there have been one poster claiming Mina is faster than Smalling and another poster claiming he's slower than Blind.
From one extreme to another.
So which is it?
He's a lot better than fans on here are giving him credit for.
In comparison, here's a video of Smalling from last season:
Bar maybe aerial ability and on the ball, Smalling looks quite superior though.
Does my comment really warrant going personal? Aren't there rules against all that?
Also do you think that any of our CBs is anywhere near to WC? Don't you see it appropriate for the biggest club in the world to have to rely on 33 year old makeshift wingers as their first team full backs?
Why do people keep saying we are signing him based solely off the WC? Our scouts are not dumb. My guess is that we have scouted him before he even moved to Barca.
Genuinely can't tell if sarcasm (bar maybe the passing part). Smalling is very underrated by most United fans. He's limited on the ball, but defensively he's very good.Feck me we should sign this guy. Such speed, such aggression, such passing
We probably couldn't afford him though. Player with that ability would cost about 70+
Yes, Mina looks better on the ball (dribbling and passing), but Smalling looks better defensively (aggressively winning the ball back and makes less mistakes generally). Keep in mind that Smalling is up against much stronger opposition than Mina is in the videos. The question is, is Mina much of an upgrade to what we have already? This seems like a bit of a sideways transfer that we did a fair bit under LVG.I find it weird to see Mina in those highlights setting up the strikers with deft chipped passes and through balls. Just looks weird
Mina is better on the ball, on the dribble, in the air and on the pass. I could not tell you about out and out pace or tacking though. I just think Smalling has more experience and plays in a system that he is used to. I would be interested to see them play together. Try getting passed that lot ffs
Our scouts aren't dumb? Have you seen the list of poor signings we've made in the last few years?Why do people keep saying we are signing him based solely off the WC? Our scouts are not dumb. My guess is that we have scouted him before he even moved to Barca.
With our current squad I definitely understand that thinking, especially with our lack of natural right sided wingers. At the moment, you'd have Valencia, Young and Shaw competing for those two wing back spots, lots of bodies in central defence to minimise risk and allow us to bring the ball out, Pogba would be more free to push forward, and Lukaku may not be so isolated at times. Sanchez playing just off him could be delicious. One of the biggest risks would be teams getting in behind Valencia and Young, who are think need to be replaced, but it's never going to happen this window and 4 at the back does make me a little nervous.
Genuinely can't tell if sarcasm (bar maybe the passing part). Smalling is very underrated by most United fans. He's limited on the ball, but defensively he's very good.
Yes, Mina looks better on the ball (dribbling and passing), but Smalling looks better defensively (aggressively winning the ball back and makes less mistakes generally). Keep in mind that Smalling is up against much stronger opposition than Mina is in the videos. The question is, is Mina much of an upgrade to what we have already? This seems like a bit of a sideways transfer that we did a fair bit under LVG.
He's a lot better than fans on here are giving him credit for.
In comparison, here's a video of Smalling from last season:
Bar maybe aerial ability and on the ball, Smalling looks quite superior though.
So you have seen him? He’s not good?I was making fun of my Barca supporting friend over this donkey, I suppose it will be our donkey now.
your better off having a look at him yourself at the all be it limited footage and highlights and making up your own mind. At the very least you will dispel the "slow and turns like a lorry" typical jibes thrown out by others. Some of us realise that defenders that are not 5 foot nothing and turn like Beckenbauer or cruyff are not necessarily dead hippos on the pitch.
A the end of the day they do not have access to any more data than you or anyone else.
Yes, of course, it doesn't change the fact that you have ten men in front of them whose job when they don't have the ball is to try and stop their goalkeepers from having to do much.
Of course having a good goalkeeper is a good thing, your entire defensive solidity being based on that goalkeeper doing a huge amount of work – less so.
Besides, the idea that we had a particularly good defence last season simply fails the eye test.
Why do people keep saying we are signing him based solely off the WC? Our scouts are not dumb. My guess is that we have scouted him before he even moved to Barca.
We were watching that Levante match in which he looked bad, I also watched him at at World Cup, that’s of course not enough to form an opinion over a 23 year old CB. It was banter more than anything else.So you have seen him? He’s not good?
Mahrez and Malcom have been available this year and we have glaring problems in our wide areas. Yet we weren't even interested.
To be fair, most of us were excited when we made those signings. As to why some failed, that's not really up to the scouts, no?Our scouts aren't dumb? Have you seen the list of poor signings we've made in the last few years?
Agreed - I mean whoever won anything with a back four all over 30, a 39 year old CM and a 40 year old winger? Just can't happen.
Really didn't understand our lack of interest in either, especially Mahrez.
So you were making fun of your friend for signing a donkey based on 1 game and a World Cup where he was one of the most outstanding defenders?We were watching that Levante match in which he looked bad, I also watched him at at World Cup, that’s of course not enough to form an opinion over a 23 year old CB. It was banter more than anything else.
Our chief scout just left and all our ”interests” seem based on WC performances (Maguire, Rebic). There’s a possibility we are quite in a dissaray when it comes to scouting at the moment.Why do people keep saying we are signing him based solely off the WC? Our scouts are not dumb. My guess is that we have scouted him before he even moved to Barca.
Not every save made is as a result of a defensive error.
So it's a simplistic argument to suggest that just because he made the most saves means that our defence doesn't deserve plaudits.
Again - going by your logic, you are suggesting that Atletico's defence isn't good enough and overly reliant on Oblak.
You can see how ridiculous that sounds right? I would take Godin, Giminez, Luis happily.
Ter Stegan made the 5th most saves too btw, so surely Barca's defence isn't good enough either. Despite finishing well off the pace, Navas made the 14th most amount of saves - so I wonder why they finished so low in comparison.
We had a good defence, our defenders made some comical errors - which are easy to remember, but overall we are an incredibly difficult team to score against, even without DDG.
What's simplistic is to suggest that because we don't concede many goals therefore we must have a good defence.
Nor is my logic simply taking the amount of saves De Gea makes in isolation, it's combining it with other metrics including the most crucial one – watching us play – to come to a conclusion that our defensive record is incredibly reliant on De Gea to pull ridiculous saves out of his arse. A view Mourinho evidently shares.
If you think we'd cope fine with an average keeper instead of De Gea then fine, thankfully we haven't seen enough evidence to test your theory and I hope we don't have to for a long, long time. In the mean-time I'd rather build a top quality defence in front of our world class keeper.
He makes the most saves because we pay in a low block and its hard for defences to get behind us so sides take a lot more potshots against us. Arsenal away last year is a great example.What's simplistic is to suggest that because we don't concede many goals therefore we must have a good defence.
Nor is my logic simply taking the amount of saves De Gea makes in isolation, it's combining it with other metrics including the most crucial one – watching us play – to come to a conclusion that our defensive record is incredibly reliant on De Gea to pull ridiculous saves out of his arse. A view Mourinho evidently shares.
If you think we'd cope fine with an average keeper instead of De Gea then fine, thankfully we haven't seen enough evidence to test your theory and I hope we don't have to for a long, long time. In the mean-time I'd rather build a top quality defence in front of our world class keeper.
Jim Lawlor is our chief scout. Our "interests" are what you're reading in the paper, not our actual interests. You didn't read anywhere about our interest in Dalot prior to the move, so I think people look way too much into our supposed scouting issues.Our chief scout just left and all our ”interests” seem based on WC performances (Maguire, Rebic). There’s a possibility we are quite in a dissaray when it comes to scouting at the moment.
What's simplistic is to suggest that because we don't concede many goals therefore we must have a good defence.
Nor is my logic simply taking the amount of saves De Gea makes in isolation, it's combining it with other metrics including the most crucial one – watching us play – to come to a conclusion that our defensive record is incredibly reliant on De Gea to pull ridiculous saves out of his arse. A view Mourinho evidently shares.
If you think we'd cope fine with an average keeper instead of De Gea then fine, thankfully we haven't seen enough evidence to test your theory and I hope we don't have to for a long, long time. In the mean-time I'd rather build a top quality defence in front of our world class keeper.
yeah no probs. 100 million fecking euros.I read that Barca want a buyback clause in case he turns into a beast.
Abundance of better young CBs out there. I get the whole we need an experienced leader back there, like Alderweireld or Bonucci, but to then sign Mina is the complete opposite. Maguire is better than him in every aspect and already settled in the league, even if a quite bit more costly. I would rather no Cb than Mina at this point. Save the money for next summer and go again.
Agreed, it's difficult to tell how a player like Mina will perform until he joins. Mina is decent on the ball, but nothing special. If anything, it was one of his weak points at Barca (but of course the CB's there have to be very good on the ball).Obviously we are talking hypothetically here because we don't know if this is true but I kept in mind that this guy might have been scouted and identifies as having a higher ceiling that the known quantities we have right now. Pure speculation on my part based on what we have to go on. Pure gut feeling that between him and Smalling we would be better off than the constant injury prone and chaos setup with all the chopping and changing in our CB week in week out.
I think a CB pairing of Smalling and Mina would lack technical ability tbh and we'd still be lacking a passer from the back. Mina looks impressive dribbling with the ball, as he's so physically dominant. But, on the ball he generally keeps it very simple- something all of our CB's can do very comfortably already. The CB we need is one with a solid passing range that can open up play for our attacking players and ease the burden on our midfield.Well of course Smalling is hes one of the best CBs in the league. And CBs who arent among the best in the league are valued at £65 million+. The question is would Mina and Smalling cover each others weaknesses?
Mina's might be pace and consistantly defending at a very high level. Those are Smalling's strengths
Smalling's might be a bit of ball playing and occasionally not doing great on defensive set pieces where an opponent good in the air might win a header. That would seemingly be one of Mina's strengths, being absolutely top class in the air.
I think at least in theory they would be an extremely intimidating and solid defensive unit. And other than maybe Guardiola who might want Pirlo at CB, most other managers would be happy.
Genuinely can't tell if sarcasm (bar maybe the passing part). Smalling is very underrated by most United fans. He's limited on the ball, but defensively he's very good.
Yes, Mina looks better on the ball (dribbling and passing), but Smalling looks better defensively (aggressively winning the ball back and makes less mistakes generally). Keep in mind that Smalling is up against much stronger opposition than Mina is in the videos. The question is, is Mina much of an upgrade to what we have already? This seems like a bit of a sideways transfer that we did a fair bit under LVG.