You walk in tomorrow…what do you do?

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This thread, to me, reads like reasons why ETH can't be blamed for all of this mess.

Tomorrow we will almost 100% be forced to line up Onana/Dalot/AWB/Maguire/Kimbwala/Casemiro/Mainoo/Bruno/Rash/Garnacho/Hojland. Someone go ahead and explain to me how to turn that into a solid, controlling defense?
 

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Play a low block until the end of the season to stop the constant amount shots we have to deal with and play on the counter, we may as well.. we don’t have the players for anything else fit now anyway.
Then build from the back, we need new centre backs that don’t have a history of breaking every 5 minutes and that goes for LB too
Agreed that we need commanding, brilliant centre halves/ back four, and a lot of our issues would then be fixed elsewhere.
 

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This thread, to me, reads like reasons why ETH can't be blamed for all of this mess.

Tomorrow we will almost 100% be forced to line up Onana/Dalot/AWB/Maguire/Kimbwala/Casemiro/Mainoo/Bruno/Rash/Garnacho/Hojland. Someone go ahead and explain to me how to turn that into a solid, controlling defense?
Not sure about solid but previous managers have gotten results against them with worse teams.
 

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This thread, to me, reads like reasons why ETH can't be blamed for all of this mess.

Tomorrow we will almost 100% be forced to line up Onana/Dalot/AWB/Maguire/Kimbwala/Casemiro/Mainoo/Bruno/Rash/Garnacho/Hojland. Someone go ahead and explain to me how to turn that into a solid, controlling defense?
Dropping the No10…and playing 3 central midfielders would be a good start.
 

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Let's be honest, we wouldn't have a fecking clue.

But if I put my FM hat on I'd be looking at sifting this squad into the ones I give a crap about going forward and the ones I want rid of. Some are past a point of return and that needs to be made clear in the hope we can convince them to leave. That making clear means not playing them again this season.

I'd stop asking an old man to hold a midfield on his own next to a child. That doesn't seem prudent at this stage with the chances we're conceding. These defenders cannot defend one versus one so often and us expect not to concede major chances, they're not fast enough or good enough. So we need more protection and legs. McTominay for me but Mount also an option.
 

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I definitely wouldn't have a clue. It would be a matter of weeks before I was fired and walked away with millions as part of my severance package. I bet I could have got more out of the club if Woody was still around.
 

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Yep, and I bet they're absolutely not doing anything now :lol:
I doubt there is anybody on this forum who can possibly know what Berrada does or does not do, myself included, but if we are speculating – it is much more likely that a seasoned senior executive Omar Berrada, and experienced businessmen Sir Dave Brailsford, Jean-Claude Blanc, Jean Reece, Rob Nevin, and Sir Jim Ratcliffe himself are not going to do anything stupid like "secretely" having Berrada start working for United while legally bound to be on a gardening leave, the whole point of which is to delay him doing any work for us. They are not a bunch of teenagers who do careless shit just for fun and giggles
 

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I would not waste the vast resources given to me by the club to buy dross like Antony, Mount, Malacia, Casemiro etc. I would take the difficult road, actually sit with the scouts and go through their research. Piles of data/vids, even if it takes days and nights. I wouldn't play pinata with the club's money even if I were a bald hipster so very full of myself.
 

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I doubt there is anybody on this forum who can possibly know what Berrada does or does not do, myself included, but if we are speculating – it is much more likely that a seasoned senior executive Omar Berrada, and experienced businessmen Sir Dave Brailsford, Jean-Claude Blanc, Jean Reece, Rob Nevin, and Sir Jim Ratcliffe himself are not going to do anything stupid like "secretely" having Berrada start working for United while legally bound to be on a gardening leave, the whole point of which is to delay him doing any work for us. They are not a bunch of teenagers who do careless shit just for fun and giggles
I think the only teenage opinion in this is that the man who is only on gardening leave until the summer has no input on the decision making process for things which will be part of his job long term. City don't want him acting in an official capacity with us until the summer, nobody checks every unofficial conversation, he's not banned from talking to Ratcliffe or Brailsford.

It's incredibly naive to think he's just sitting there not communicating at all about stuff like this. He just can't be directly involved.
 

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Let's be honest, we wouldn't have a fecking clue.
I definitely wouldn't have a clue. It would be a matter of weeks before I was fired and walked away with millions as part of my severance package. I bet I could have got more out of the club if Woody was still around.
The only right answer. :lol:The rest of this thread is just "I'm very bad ass".
 

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I would change the system up all together.

No point in playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1, we can't play it. Tried it enough this season and under previous managers and failed in the end.

I would start implementing 3 at back and wing back system. 2 upfront. Make it hard for any team for rest of season.

Holjlund/Garnacho upfront from now on both dont stop running and work hard for team can both score.

Bruno as advanced midfielder, with Manoo and Casemiro at holding the midfield. AND Mean Holding. Stop the current gaps in midfield with 2 holding midfielders. Keep compact in there.

Wing backs that can play high and wide. Dalot and AWB currently but no harm in trying Antony as a advanced wing back in certain games.

3 CB.


If successful till end of season then start planning for recruitment of players that can improve the system/set up.
Would honestly love to see this. I dont think I would be so against EtH if would just TRY something different
 

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I think the only teenage opinion in this is that the man who is only on gardening leave until the summer has no input on the decision making process for things which will be part of his job long term. City don't want him acting in an official capacity with us until the summer, nobody checks every unofficial conversation, he's not banned from talking to Ratcliffe or Brailsford.

It's incredibly naive to think he's just sitting there not communicating at all about stuff like this. He just can't be directly involved.
Clearly you have never been on a gardening leave and probably never met anybody who has, but you are entitled to believe whatever you want to believe so - ok, keep believing Berrada i masterminding our plans while City is still paying him salary during gardening leave to not do exactly that
 

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Clearly you have never been on a gardening leave and probably never met anybody who has, but you are entitled to believe whatever you want to believe so - ok, keep believing Berrada i masterminding our plans while City is still paying him salary during gardening leave to not do exactly that
:D it's fine to admit you have no idea what you're talking about.

https://theathletic.com/5302307/2024/02/27/manchester-united-omar-berrada-ceo-city/

However, The Athletic has learned that the executive has already met and spoken with a number of United’s executive leadership team since his appointment to gain a greater understanding of the club’s processes. Berrada has also offered a viewpoint on potential hires, with United seeking to revamp the club’s operations under Sir Jim Ratcliffe.
 
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Gardening leave is 99% about locking out an employee from the internal systems in a company. Nobody actually thinks their employee is going to sit around for months and not be involved in the decision making process in their new company, they're just not allowed to act for the new company in an official capacity. The lack of common sense on display around stuff like this is crazy.
 

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This thread, to me, reads like reasons why ETH can't be blamed for all of this mess.

Tomorrow we will almost 100% be forced to line up Onana/Dalot/AWB/Maguire/Kimbwala/Casemiro/Mainoo/Bruno/Rash/Garnacho/Hojland. Someone go ahead and explain to me how to turn that into a solid, controlling defense?
It screams mid-level team. Even if you add Varane (ver.2024) is still a mid-level team. Which kinda states the obvious and explains perfectly why United are fighting for 5th-6th place.

Yes, the team is underperforming, but the absolute best you would ever expect that team to finish is 4th! So they are only underperforming a bit, and with a bit of luck, they could easily have been 4-8 points better off and everyone would be more understanding.
 

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I’d invite the glazers in to roll in a massive pile of cash soaked in supporters tears. Then when they arrive I’d have security tie them down, put lit matches under their finger and toe nails while a procession of Utd supporters take it in turns to walk past and fart on their heads.
 

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Sell Mctominey, Rashford, Lindelof, Malacia, Maguire, Eriksen, VDB, Martial and all the other deadwood. Go and buy young hungry players who have character, determination and actually want to be here and achieve something. Martinez and Hojlund type signings. Players that can improve. If you are going to add an experienced head make sure you don't put him on stupid money and a long contact.

Strip Bruno of the captaincy like you said if he sulks sell and find someone else to replace. Build the team around Mainoo, Garanacho, Hojlund and the other younger lads. Promote the likes of Gore, Amaas. Give Amad a chance. Actually take the game to opponents. Try and play a more attacking brand of football. Fact we have -1 goal difference with a billion quid spent is laughable. Chelsea game Thursday under fergie we would of tried to get a 4th when we had the momentum and not sit deep and then conceded two absolutely soft goals. Are mentality is the worst I have ever seen since watching United. That needs fixing. Arteta and Klopp have both changed their respected teams mindset around. Arsenal for years were a soft touch so it can be done. I was hoping Ten Hag was going to be the guy. But so far if anything seen us through away more points than ever.
 
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Put on the transfer list the dross, unreliable and overpaid underachievers. Rashford, Bruno, Mct, Shaw, Casemiro, AWB, Varane, Antony, Sancho, Maguire.

Tell Martial to never come back even for a goodbye.
 

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Start another thread just to say sell Bruno and Rashford in a new place.
 

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Put on the transfer list the dross, unreliable and overpaid underachievers. Rashford, Bruno, Mct, Shaw, Casemiro, AWB, Varane, Antony, Sancho, Maguire.

Tell Martial to never come back even for a goodbye.
Martial is injured? Why is he pointed out in this post? :lol:
 

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Target would be FA Cup win and 6th place finish. First thing I'd do is drop Bruno and Rashford to the bench. I don't plan on starting either of them until I feel they deserve it.

Next would be to bring Amas in as left back, he's young and has no experience but now I want people who actually are bothered. Amad and Mount to replace Bruno and Rashford.

Onana
Dalot kambwala maguire amas
Casemiro mainoo
Amad
Mount hojlund garnacho

Then I'd teach these fools how to control a midfield, how to track and opponent and how to press properly. If they are not interested, you get dropped. You play the system or you don't play.
 

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There’s a film called half baked where the bloke tells everyone in the room “f*** you” then “I’m out”.

Probably that.
'Feck you, feck you, feck you, YOU'RE cool, and feck you I'm out'

The question is, who is the cool one? Mainoo? Nacho?
 

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Probably have a cup of tea, crack one off over some porn on the company laptop, then take a lengthy nap.
 

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Investigate immediately why we get so many fecking injuries

Appoint proven conditioning coaches, our fitness is absolutely abysmal, and probably the cause of a lot of the injuries mentioned in point one. It was so predictable today following our strong start that as soon as we hit the 20th minute we were gassed and fell apart

I'd sack ETH, I've lost all faith in him, I don't know enough about other managers to know who I'd get

I don't really care for Europa conference league, Thursday nights and Europa killed us last season, and I wonder if it's linked to our injury problems this season - look at Liverpool last season, they'd been in the Europa the season before. Therefore as CL is basically gone I'd start playing a couple of the kids who look ready to step up - this would help decide where we definitely need to buy or whether we have a Mainoo/Garnacho who means we don't need to buy in a certain position and can prioritise elsewhere, and just focus on back ups for these positions. I don't think it would throw them into a hostile environment because we have nothing left to play for (use the "senior" players for the FA cup and around them in other games) and the fans appreciate kids who try even if it doesn't always come off.

I'd get the GK coach to focus on agility with Onana, he's very slow to get down, which is costing us, he's generally showing more form with the higher shots, it's the low ones that seems to be his weakness. I still have my doubts about him, but work on his weaknesses and assess after that

Move on anyone who has a poor attitude. I'm currently including Rashford in this category. Move on anyone made of glass, Martial I'm looking at you

I would instruct the coaches to work on ball retention, it's currently shocking and plays us into trouble so many times. Bruno is a big culprit here.

I would do what Klopp did if articles are true, and bring in a mentality coach, a lot of these players are mentally weak, and I think this does lead to the capitulating and silly mistakes.

I'd get the coaches, or another professional if they can't, to work on decision making and focus. Both are currently shocking and again lead to us wasting opportunities or chuckle brothers carnage in defence

Be comfortable that I'll get a decent pay out if I fail
 

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I would add a (new) fitness coach, a (new) sport psychologist and maybe another first team coach who specializes in collective defending in our own half. We dropped too many points from a winning position this season.
 

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I think it's a really tough job. I mean the tactical problems are easy to plot out sitting at my desk in office but I don't know how easy they'd be to actually implement.

Typically I'd want the team together, whether it is sitting deep and compact or pressing high up the pitch as a unit. But in both cases it's disjointed. When we press high up the pitch, there are some who either don't commit, aren't in the right position to commit, not physically able to commit, or have the right mindset to commit to a high gang press. That tactic doesn't work unless everyone commits and knows exactly what they're doing and where they need to be. Modern day Liverpool were a bit like this when they were having a bad season - you could avoid the initial press and their midfield didn't support it enough or have the legs so you could attack them through the middle. United are like that right now.

On the other hand, if we want to set up deeper and try to play on the counter more, you need more discipline for that, especially in midfield. I feel some of our players are too impulsive or not positionally smart enough. I remember Carrick used to just know exactly where to stand to make the angle difficult for opposition running at us through the middle. None of our players have that tactical awareness on a consistent basis or the discipline to hold their position without being pulled out of place.

So if you go with one of the above two tactics, you'll need players who suit that perfectly and I truly believe we don't have the squad for either one at the moment. Regardless of the lineup you pick, you can't really make it work with the players you have, particularly when you consider injuries as well.

Despite all that, I think the mental side of managing players is actually the bigger challenge. I wouldn't know how to get through to someone like Rashford for example although I know there's a player there who could be good in the right system. Antony too is not useless although he's not worth his price tag - getting in his ear and getting the best out of him seems a tricky task.

The easy answer is to say get rid of X, Y, Z player and go with this lineup instead, but that has risks as well. You can't bring in new players until the transfer window opens. It's also easy to say play the youth, but I wouldn't want their careers and confidence ruined by getting smashed 0-8 or something. Youth have worked when they come into a more established team, not when they're thrown on the pitch (or the deep end if you like).

So as I said, it's a difficult job and one that I think anyone would need time and money to properly do. You'd have to work with the players, implement a system, and bring in new players that fit the system. Even then it will take a while for everyone to get used to the system and know where they need to be and what they need to do. Plus you'd need time and maybe staff to get players focused mentally as well. The media and following of the club don't give you a whole lot of time either, and that's a factor as well.