ThinkTank@Cafe
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Currently, and especially here at the Caf: Upamecano and Konate.
Oops. My mistake.No checks to see what this thread is about, I see.
Marcelo Salas. Used to think he was the perfect centre forward in his first couple seasons at Lazio. He was just a good player in good form. Chilean fans may argue with that but his club record isn't spectacular.
I know what the thread is about and it is about an opinion and I gave mine while you criticised it....typical.How is that relevant? Do you know what this thread about? If you post a bunch of names, you must surely have overrated them at some point, or didn't understand the thread at all. Either own up to overrating the likes of Pepe or admit you didn't understand that the thread and move on, instead of being overly defensive and making me have to explain all of this out to you.
NoI know what the thread is about and it is about an opinion and I gave mine while you criticised it....typical.
Are you telling me that Arsenal and Chelsea have not been rinsed by paying the prices they paid for the two mentioned players?
Just answer the question and jog on!
We only have two seasons of his prime to judge him on, in that case, and to be honest there's a lot of players who've managed two very good seasons.Oops. My mistake.
I think your initial assessment of Salas was fairer. He was ruined by injury after joining Juve while in his prime. Before that he was a 1 in 2 striker back when that was considered the mark of a top striker. All time top scorer for the Chilean national team who have had some very good forwards.
The guy was insanely good!!!Bergkamp was a good player but he's so overrated by many, had a very poor record against United.
Exactly this.The guy was insanely good!!!
If anything his career has been underrated, similar mould to Cantone and capable of pure genius.
That's ridiculous. He was amazing, before Ronaldo he was the best Premier league player ever.Thierry Henry, no chance was he best prem league player ever, he went to Barcelona and was anonymous.
No he wasnt, and if he was that good how comes when Arsenal used to visit OT sometimes I hardly even noticed he was playing?That's ridiculous. He was amazing, before Ronaldo he was the best Premier league player ever.
Are you old enough to have watched him play?
The guy was insanely good!!!
If anything his career has been underrated, similar mould to Cantone and capable of pure genius.
Seriously, Buffon... Buffon who's played at the very top level for 25 years and has won almost every thing available to him during that time? Buffon that is widely regarded as one if the best goalkeepers ever? Yeah, it was just you that over rated him.Buffon - alwasy errors in him and never seems to get the blame for things,
Those two. Park as well. I'm a sucker for a player who can 'do a job' in a big game.Think people have misunderstood the OP.
I guess the players I’ve admittedly over rated are:
Andy Cole
Scholes (or maybe not? I consider him as the GOAT).
Carrick
Fletcher
Saha
Rooney (again maybe not, thought of him as top 3 in the world at one point)
Berbatov
Welbeck
Saha is a good one. He’s one of those players who “would have been great, if not for the injuries”. I’ve always rated him, but no doubt overrated him in retrospect.Think people have misunderstood the OP.
I guess the players I’ve admittedly over rated are:
Andy Cole
Scholes (or maybe not? I consider him as the GOAT).
Carrick
Fletcher
Saha
Rooney (again maybe not, thought of him as top 3 in the world at one point)
Berbatov
Welbeck
Berbatov had a bit of genius about him but wasn't a truly great player. My guess is that while he is was better, Bergkamp may also be overrated although it's a hunch and I haven't really followed his career.Exactly this.
Bergkamp is in the same vein as Cantona and Berbatov for me.
All absolute geniuses with the ball, could do things that no one else would even dare to attempt, and could turn it on whenever they wanted.
The biggest part of Bergkamps game however was his workrate, used to actually work very hard on the pitch and was very unselfish.
There is a Danish version of it which essentially translates to 'he's on a field trip' but to my understanding, this is usually reserved for keepers who come way out of their box and then end up in no mans land.I like that phrase, I may have to create a British version. Next time I see a keeper wondering I'll say 'look at him, he's going to the chippy' and see if it catches on.
For me personally it's Alex, the Brazilian defender. I know he isn't particularly rated but I had mates who really liked him when he was at Chelsea, and I suspected it was for that lightning bolt of a goal he scored against Liverpool rather than actually being any good at the back.
agree.My issue with Bergkamp is people rating him in the top 20 EPL players of all time, when I don't know that he even gets in the top 10 strikers in the EPL. Its not that he is not a great player, its about people rating him in the top 20 EPL players.
At 87 goals in 315 PL games he certainly wouldn't.My issue with Bergkamp is people rating him in the top 20 EPL players of all time, when I don't know that he even gets in the top 10 strikers in the EPL. Its not that he is not a great player, its about people rating him in the top 20 EPL players.
Because they haven't seen him play bar 2-3 games late in his careerWhat is this crap about Pirlo? One of the greatest midfielders of all time, an absolute genius. Why would anyone think he is overrated?
Stats don't really tell the full story of a players impact and overall game. I don't really remember him ever tearing Utd apart or being decisive in any games, aside from that 1 missed penalty.At 87 goals in 315 PL games he certainly wouldn't.
He played a lot of games against United, how many times did he really impress?
I think it's more because he became a hipster's wet dream, fuelled by the cultured image he cultivated - the glass of Borolo, playing PES before the World Cup Final, the dislike of warm-ups, the mugging off of that twat Joe Hart, and so on.What is this crap about Pirlo? One of the greatest midfielders of all time, an absolute genius. Why would anyone think he is overrated?
I think you post just proves how overrated Pirlo was/is. He wouldnt make a world 11 from the last 20 years never mind an all time world 11. Putting him in an all time 11 is the definition of over rating him.This made me chuckle. Scholes is great and all but calling Pirlo, who could actually qualify to be in all time world XI as overrated is not only laughable but downright disrespectful.