Your top 5 PL era managers & Your top 10 English top league managers of all-time?

[Fortitude]

With Klopp's departure and Pep's 'achievement', the discussion has roundabouts reared its head again.

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Carragher having Pep over SAF or Klopp over Wenger, for example, are just a couple of the bones of contention.

The PL being divided from the English Division 1 has merit in one list, as squad sizes changed emphatically during the PL era, as too did the points and games on offer - for the vast majority of the English Division 1, it was 2pts for a win and a 42-game campaign.

You may be the type who merely looks at net totals of league titles amassed and nothing else, or, you may be the type who takes into account the feat it is for one club compared to another and weight it against that i.e. Does Ranieri deserve higher praise than a manager who has won 2 league titles at a giant of the English game? And so on and so forth?

Who are your selections?

I shall hop off the fence for once and offer up my own:

PL era:

1. Ferguson
2. Mourinho**
3. Guardiola*
4. Wenger
5. Klopp

All-Time:

1. Ferguson
2. Clough
3. Shankly
4. Busby
5. Paisley
6. Revie
7. Mourinho**
8. Guardiola*
9. Wenger
10. Chapman



*Where are you supposed to put a cheat in the actual natural order? fecked if that can be given an objective lens amidst so many storied achievers.
**Aware fingers will also be pointed at Mourinho.

Your top 5PL, and top 10 A.T?

Edited out Ranieri for Klopp, whom I'd forgotten. Oops.

 

[kaiser1]

PL Era

1. Pep
2. Ferguson
3. Mourinho
4. Klopp
5. Wenger

I did not watch before the PL era

 

[SilentWitness]

1. SAF

2. Pep / Mourinho.

3. Wenger / Klopp.

 

[El Zoido]

Any list not having Fergie at the top is immediately worthless. It can’t be stated how tough it is to build multiple title winning squads over different eras. Pep’s infinite-money cheated wins doesn’t put him above, not nearly.

 

[Gio]

1. Ferguson
2. Guardiola
3. Clough
4. Paisley
5. Mourinho
6. Klopp
7. Shankly
8. Busby
9. Wenger
10. Revie

Feels a bit arbitrary. Find it hard to compare those who built and transformed clubs with those who were more successful with deep resources.

 

[Righteous Steps]

1. Ferguson
2. Guardiola
3. Clough
4. Paisley
5. Mourinho
6. Klopp
7. Shankly
8. Busby
9. Wenger
10. Revie

Feels a bit arbitrary. Find it hard to compare those who built and transformed clubs with those who were more successful with deep resources.

Paisley won 6 league titles and 3 Europeans cups, you simply can’t put Guardiola above him.

Only Ferguson and Clough for what he done with unfancied side.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Just looking at PL, not Europe

1. Ferguson
2. Guardiola*
3. Clough
4. Paisley
5. Wenger
6. Klopp
7. Shankly - Busby
9. Ranieri
10. Mourinho*

 

[Dannn411]

PL Era:
1. Fergie
2. Wenger
3. Pep
4. Jose
5. Klopp

All time in England:
1. Fergie
2. Paisley
3. Busby and Clough tied
5. Shankly
6. Wenger
7. Pep
8. Jose
9. Klopp
10. Dalglish

 

[Adz_99]

People who are putting Klopp above Wenger are either not old enough to remember 1997-2004 or have forgotten.

If it wasn't for us, Arsenal would have won about 8 league titles in a row. They didn't finish outside of the top 2 until 2005. Trying to put him below Klopp and even Jose is just flat out wrong.

 

[Zen86]

They’re basically paid to say how much better football is now, how it’s all so much more sophisticated to drum up a bit of interest. They’re shills.

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

People who are putting Klopp above Wenger are either not old enough to remember 1997-2004 or have forgotten.

If it wasn't for us, Arsenal would have won about 8 league titles in a row. They didn't finish outside of the top 2 until 2005. Trying to put him below Klopp and even Jose is just flat out wrong.

Agreed.

What Wenger did is probably not understood by many younger fans. Wenger completely transformed Arsenal both on the pitch and off. Before Wenger, the last era of success under Graham was a very defensive "1-0 to the Arsenal" style and Wenger completely changed that giving the club its identity of playing attacking 1-touch football in a different style than the Cruyff-Guardiola lineage. Off the pitch, he also completely revamped the training and nutrition and took Arsenal to the forefront of 21st century training and nutrition. He brought in players from continental Europe an Africa and helped make the PL a world wide league. He took a player like Tony Adams, the epitome of the older 'get so drunk the night before the match that you are still playing drunk the next day' English culture, sobered him up and got him on modern training regime which extended and revitalized his career. Also taking an unfancied at the time player like Henry and turning him into one of the greatest in PL history. HIs achievements are really much more impressive than Klopp or Mourinho taking everything into account. The only other manager that can be said to have transformed a club from top to bottom so decisively is Ferguson.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Premier League:

1. Ferguson
2. Guardiola

3-5. Take your pick of Klopp, Mourinho and Wenger. All have their pros and cons.

 

[Il Prete Rosso]

With Klopp's departure and Pep's 'achievement', the discussion has roundabouts reared its head again.

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Carragher having Pep over SAF or Klopp over Wenger, for example, are just a couple of the bones of contention.

The PL being divided from the English Division 1 has merit in one list, as squad sizes changed emphatically during the PL era, as too did the points and games on offer - for the vast majority of the English Division 1, it was 2pts for a win and a 42-game campaign.

You may be the type who merely looks at net totals of league titles amassed and nothing else, or, you may be the type who takes into account the feat it is for one club compared to another and weight it against that i.e. Does Ranieri deserve higher praise than a manager who has won 2 league titles at a giant of the English game? And so on and so forth?

Who are your selections?

I shall hop off the fence for once and offer up my own:

PL era:

1. Ferguson
2. Mourinho**
3. Guardiola*
4. Wenger
5. Ranieri

All-Time:

1. Ferguson
2. Clough
3. Shankly
4. Busby
5. Paisley
6. Revie
7. Mourinho**
8. Guardiola*
9. Wenger
10. Chapman



*Where are you supposed to put a cheat in the actual natural order? fecked if that can be given an objective lens amidst so many storied achievers.
**Aware fingers will also be pointed at Mourinho.

Your top 5PL, and top 10 A.T?

Of course he would put Klopp above Wenger. However, all managers have said that Wenger changed the way the ENTIRE league was run...from Premier League admin, Club to team. He was the first manager to use data, fitness and other variables to get the best out of his team in the Premier League. You really can't diminish what he did for it.

 

[Fortitude]

Of course he would put Klopp above Wenger. However, all managers have said that Wenger changed the way the ENTIRE league was run...from Premier League admin, Club to team. He was the first manager to use data, fitness and other variables to get the best out of his team in the Premier League. You really can't diminish what he did for it.

Yep. And Wenger is often ill-remembered for his decline and demise than for his beginnings or peaks years in the league.

 

[Juicy Juiced]

Fergie,
Pep
Wenger (people understimate his impact on english football)
Mou (boring style)
Klopp

Didnt have means to watch pre EPL football&and was young.

 

[Dean60]

Surely Howard Kendall has to be in the mix, especially given if it wasn’t for our loveable neighbours and Heysel we would have played the Super Cup final and had an outstanding chance to go on and win the European Cup as most top English sides of the time did Liverfool, Forest, Villa.

“With Everton as manager, he won two Football League titles, an FA Cup, three Charity Shields, and the 1985 European Cup Winners' Cup, as well as a league runners-up place and reached two further FA Cup finals and a League Cup final.”

United stopped us doing the treble with 10 men against the odds.

Given this points formula the record is similar to Jurgen Klopp:

3 points for League or European Cup(if more like 3.25 max)
2.25 points ECWC
2 points for FA Cup
1 point League Cup
0.5 points charity shield, Super Cup etc

no points awarded for runners up!?

 

[SungSam7]

Feck me, how does Pep get ahead of Wenger when he revolutionised training regimes and diets in the 90s.

Give Wenger the money Pep has, I'd say they would have got another title or 2 off of United. Absolute joke.

 

[The Cat]

Something I read this morning stated Ferguson was the top spender in only 3 of his 26 seasons so it was never built on financial domination as some argue.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Ferguson
Wenger
Pep
Klopp
Mourinho

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

SAF, Pep, Mourinho, Wenger, Klopp.

Wengerball was the best football the Prem has seen imo. Not retaining is a mark against him though, they had the best team in 2003 and Utd won it.

 

[Gio]

Paisley won 6 league titles and 3 Europeans cups, you simply can’t put Guardiola above him.

Only Ferguson and Clough for what he done with unfancied side.

Depends what weight you give different factors - such as are we including Europe or not, are we crediting for wider impacts on the game (where Guardiola, Wenger, Hapgood stand out amongst a couple of others), longevity v peak, over-achievement with resources v success.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

1 Ferguson
2 Pep
3 Wenger
4 Mourinho
5 Klopp

 

[harms]

1. Fergie
2. Pep
3. Wenger
4. Mourinho
5. Klopp

Based both on their on-the-pitch success and their overall influence.

Klopp is certainly unlucky to come up against the most stacked contender in history of the league and he did admirably with the resources that he's been given but I still can't put him higher than other managers of comparable ability that have won so much more.