Youssoufa Moukoko

[stefan92]

I think Reus makes great business sense for squad depth. Imagine rotating him with Guarnacho and Antony.

A bit unlikely as he rarely plays on the wings these days, but usually as the 10.

Elanga on loan could make sense if United doesn't want to sell him and if Dortmund wants another talented player in the squad now while they are not sure about the future (let's face it, they are a bit of in a mess tactically and having question marks like how Haller will come back doesn't make squad planning easier for them).

 

[Mainoldo]

A bit unlikely as he rarely plays on the wings these days, but usually as the 10.

Elanga on loan could make sense if United doesn't want to sell him and if Dortmund wants another talented player in the squad now while they are not sure about the future (let's face it, they are a bit of in a mess tactically and having question marks like how Haller will come back doesn't make squad planning easier for them).

Oh does he.

Suppose it can still work with DVB being out for the season. But would prefer someone who can cover all fronts of attack.

 

[Messier1994]

What does he say.

Also I don’t think we should touch him if he’s really 22. Changes everything.

Maybe, but whether he is 18 or 22, its a fact that all kids develop at a different pace. You should never sign someone "just" because they are 18, some are done growing when they are 14 and others when they are 20. If Moukokou was indeed 18 y/o, we can certainly rule out that he has any physical "youth growth" left in him anyway. Same with Bellingham. Bellingham is 19 y/o. He was at a stage in his development when he was 16, that many others hit when they are 20. You shouldn't buy Bellingham either, expecting him to be a high World Cup level of player at 19 y/o who therefor per automatic will be much better when he is 22. Any player can always develop, but never at the same rate as they do during that growth spurt at

My point is just, in any event, we must do our due diligence on this kid and evaluate how good we think that he can become. This is a kid who broker records at the U17 level when he was 12. 6 years later, he isn't going to grow physically. He is what, the same height now that he was when he was 15? Some kid can easily grow 3-4 inches after their turned 16. A kid like Wayne Rooney who was as developed as he was at 16 y/o, was of course never going to become like 6'3. It all comes down to whether we think he has enough ability and growth potential today -- regardless of his age. I just don't see how it should have any impact to be honest.

 

[cyberman]

Maybe, but whether he is 18 or 22, its a fact that all kids develop at a different pace. You should never sign someone "just" because they are 18, some are done growing when they are 14 and others when they are 20. If Moukokou was indeed 18 y/o, we can certainly rule out that he has any physical "youth growth" left in him anyway. Same with Bellingham. Bellingham is 19 y/o. He was at a stage in his development when he was 16, that many others hit when they are 20. You shouldn't buy Bellingham either, expecting him to be a high World Cup level of player at 19 y/o who therefor per automatic will be much better when he is 22. Any player can always develop, but never at the same rate as they do during that growth spurt at

My point is just, in any event, we must do our due diligence on this kid and evaluate how good we think that he can become. This is a kid who broker records at the U17 level when he was 12. 6 years later, he isn't going to grow physically. He is what, the same height now that he was when he was 15? Some kid can easily grow 3-4 inches after their turned 16. A kid like Wayne Rooney who was as developed as he was at 16 y/o, was of course never going to become like 6'3. It all comes down to whether we think he has enough ability and growth potential today -- regardless of his age. I just don't see how it should have any impact to be honest.

There’s a difference between having 11 career goals as an 18 year old compared to a 22 year old, especially when the reputation comes from his goal record at underage level when he’s in his 20s v kids!

 

[stefan92]

There’s a difference between having 11 career goals as an 18 year old compared to a 22 year old, especially when the reputation comes from his goal record at underage level when he’s in his 20s v kids!

It comes from breaking records against older players. At worst he broke records while being the usual age for the league (meaning getting the U19 scoring record as a 19 year old like everyone else playing there, not as a 15 year old). Still a sign of a great talent, even if the accusations should be true.

 

[Messier1994]

There’s a difference between having 11 career goals as an 18 year old compared to a 22 year old, especially when the reputation comes from his goal record at underage level when he’s in his 20s v kids!

But there shouldn't be!

If you look at an 18 y/o who got a full beard and haven't grown at all since he was 14 y/o, you shouldn't expect a ton of development "just because he is 18". If you OTOH have a super thin kid who is 5'7 with two parents who are 6-6'2 and a bunch of brothers who are around 6'2 and kept growing until they were 20 y/o, you should be ecstatic if he is at a fairly high level at 17 y/o, because he should have a lot of growth potential left in him.

 

[cyberman]

It comes from breaking records against older players. At worst he broke records while being the usual age for the league (meaning getting the U19 scoring record as a 19 year old like everyone else playing there, not as a 15 year old). Still a sign of a great talent, even if the accusations should be true.

But the u 19 is one example that really has any sort of substance.
If records are correct then his u17 record came as a near twenty year old. Think how many younger players are playing in u17 who are moved up from an even younger age because of talent or the players who left that age bracket to move up.
It’s ridiculous. We have u 21 so not even u 19 who are scoring plenty of goals until everybody else catches up physically then slows way down. We have two prime examples of this in our 21 team right now.
Nobody is saying he’s a bad player but his goal record shrinks so much if he’s so much older than he is to the point he’s wasted a lot of development of whatever talent he has playing against kids when he should be playing against men and senior level.

 

[stefan92]

But the u 19 is one example that really has any sort of substance.
If records are correct then his u17 record came as a near twenty year old. Think how many younger players are playing in u17 who are moved up from an even younger age because of talent or the players who left that age bracket to move up.
It’s ridiculous. We have u 21 so not even u 19 who are scoring plenty of goals until everybody else catches up physically then slows way down. We have two prime examples of this in our 21 team right now.
Nobody is saying he’s a bad player but his goal record shrinks so much if he’s so much older than he is to the point he’s wasted a lot of development of whatever talent he has playing against kids when he should be playing against men and senior level.

Agree on that post, but before you posted that he played kids while being in his twenties. Now you are saying "near twenty" and that's correct in the case that he really is 22 now.

 

[jadajos]

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Staying at Dortmund. Good choice I think.

 

[unplayable]

Only signing a contract until 2026. Obviously just wants to develop a bit more and leave Dortmund in one or two years.

 

[Rolaholic]

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[Mainoldo]

No way is he 18.

 

[Erik the Red]

Only signing a contract until 2026. Obviously just wants to develop a bit more and leave Dortmund in one or two years.

If he only wants to stay for a year or two, he shouldn't be signing a 3 year contract. Leaving now he would have got a signing on fee, whereas Dortmund will ask for £60m for him next year if he wants to leave. For his sake, he should have put a low buyout clause in there (even if limited to United).

 

[Zoo]

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[croadyman]

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May as well close thread