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Last Man Standing finalist 2021/22
Think Busby had a better excuse, to be honest.
Think Busby had a better excuse, to be honest.
This might be a credible argument if he’d won one Champions League title. Not 3 in a freaking row plus a league title. The complete lack of logic in this thread is alarming.It’s not the success at one club arguement at all...it’s the manner and circumstance of the success which make it tricky to assess the scope of the achievement. There is a chance he was in the right place at the right time with the right aura and right message as opposed to a great tactician who executed a master plan.
Utd fans are seeking the later I feel.
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Yeah be very surprised if we could persuade him to change his mind about managing in EnglandZidane could come here and he could fail or he could succeed. There are so many factors in life that it’s difficult to predict. Yet they people that think he’s a bad manager and won via luck at Madrid are insane. The same team Zidane had, three other managers failed with that team, and he won the CL three times in a row, win la Liga, including in his second stint… he’s a top manager and I think if he is really convinced United is the job he will be an amazing choice comparable to Klopp or Pep.
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Yes please. Maguire and Shaw can start learning French when they sit on the bench
This is correct. I'm amazed how even after winning 3 CLs in a row people still have doubts about a manager's competence. Can happen only on the CAF, that's how much LvG and Jose have traumatised us.This might be a credible argument if he’d won one Champions League title. Not 3 in a freaking row plus a league title. The complete lack of logic in this thread is alarming.
The problem with this argument is that it's circular.When you have Ronaldo, Modric, Kroos, Benzema, (prime) Bale, Ramos, Casemiro in your team bland tactics still win you most of the games.
If Zidane was going to a rival people would be saying they are getting a winner and we are stuck with a nobodyI do find it impressive how quickly people dismiss THREE CL in a row. The team was good, but thats mad. That level of hunger, desire and motivation really shouldn't be underestimated.
3 CL's and 2 la liga's in a fairly brief stint is just about as good as it gets.I do find it impressive how quickly people dismiss THREE CL in a row. The team was good, but thats mad. That level of hunger, desire and motivation really shouldn't be underestimated.
Yeah I agree, you can't underestimate it. But on one hand it was perhaps the best CL squad of all time and LaLiga is a 2/3 horse race at the best of times, so I'm not giddy about the idea of getting him but at the same time I agree some are writing him off when in fairness to him he's done a lot in the game in a very short period of time.I do find it impressive how quickly people dismiss THREE CL in a row. The team was good, but thats mad. That level of hunger, desire and motivation really shouldn't be underestimated.
Exactly this. Who cares how good that Real Madrid team was, when have you seen anyone do this? The people saying they wouldn't want him probably said the same about Klopp and Guardiola when there were rumours about them coming to us.I do find it impressive how quickly people dismiss THREE CL in a row. The team was good, but thats mad. That level of hunger, desire and motivation really shouldn't be underestimated.
Like all leagues, if anything La Liga is the league where the top 3 teams are the closest and where underperformances matter the most. Also on paper they are not better than Barcelona during the last decade which is demonstrated by the simple fact that Barcelona easily outperformed them in league format. It's also highly questionable that this team is on par with the best Milan.Yeah I agree, you can't underestimate it. But on one hand it was perhaps the best CL squad of all time and LaLiga is a 2/3 horse race at the best of times, so I'm not giddy about the idea of getting him but at the same time I agree some are writing him off when in fairness to him he's done a lot in the game in a very short period of time.
Who is your pick? I'm still in the Ten Haag camp currently, I think he would be the best appointment and style to transition to but I would go for Zidane as a relatively close 2nd. That's where I'm at.
It’s well documented that Zidane does not want to manage in England, or manage Man Utd.Are there any credible links or has this just stemmed from Duncan Castle going for clicks?
If it was the best CL squad of all time then surely you cannot overlook the manager's contribution in making them that, can you?Yeah I agree, you can't underestimate it. But on one hand it was perhaps the best CL squad of all time and LaLiga is a 2/3 horse race at the best of times, so I'm not giddy about the idea of getting him but at the same time I agree some are writing him off when in fairness to him he's done a lot in the game in a very short period of time.
Who is your pick? I'm still in the Ten Haag camp currently, I think he would be the best appointment and style to transition to but I would go for Zidane as a relatively close 2nd. That's where I'm at.
I'd say that Barcelona werent better post Neymar.Like all leagues, if anything La Liga is the league where the top 3 teams are the closest and where underperformances matter the most. Also on paper they are not better than Barcelona during the last decade which is demonstrated by the simple fact that Barcelona easily outperformed them in league format. It's also highly questionable that this team is on par with the best Milan.
Barcelona with Neymar wasn't the most dominant Barcelona, that would Pep's Barcelona. In a way you are making my point because Real Madrid only played one season with Ronaldo when Neymar left Barcelona and there is no way that you will argue that post Ronaldo Real Madrid is the best CL squad of all time, before that they weren't the best squad in La Liga.I'd say that Barcelona werent better post Neymar.
Zidane could come here and he could fail or he could succeed. There are so many factors in life that it’s difficult to predict. Yet they people that think he’s a bad manager and won via luck at Madrid are insane. The same team Zidane had, three other managers failed with that team, and he won the CL three times in a row, win la Liga, including in his second stint… he’s a top manager and I think if he is really convinced United is the job he will be an amazing choice comparable to Klopp or Pep.
Never did argue that post-Ronaldo that Real madrid was the best CL squad of all time. I think after Neymar left that real were better. There is always a lot of factors at play as to why one team wins the league but underperform in other competetions.Barcelona with Neymar wasn't the most dominant Barcelona, that would Pep's Barcelona. In a way you are making my point because Real Madrid only played one season with Ronaldo when Neymar left Barcelona and there is no way that you will argue that post Ronaldo Real Madrid is the best CL squad of all time, before that they weren't the best squad in La Liga.
The point was about the best CL squad of all time though. I don't disagree with your statement in isolation but it's irrelevant to the point made by Buster or myself.Never did argue that post-Ronaldo that Real madrid was the best CL squad of all time. I think after Neymar left that real were better. There is always a lot of factors at play as to why one team wins the league but underperform in other competetions.
Yeah I'm not underplaying it, just pointing out that on the whole it's the big two and sometimes Atletico Madrid if they are in the mood. I agree overcoming Barca during that period is perhaps one of the most impressive things he's done.Like all leagues, if anything La Liga is the league where the top 3 teams are the closest and where underperformances matter the most. Also on paper they are not better than Barcelona during the last decade which is demonstrated by the simple fact that Barcelona easily outperformed them in league format. It's also highly questionable that this team is on par with the best Milan.
Not only that but no one else has defended the CL to date. He's the only one to do it not once but twice.I do find it impressive how quickly people dismiss THREE CL in a row. The team was good, but thats mad. That level of hunger, desire and motivation really shouldn't be underestimated.
They were extremely injury stricken too, iirc?Courtois; Vasquez, Varane, Nacho, Mendy; Casemiro, Kroos, Modric; Vinicius, Someone, Benzema.
If Ronaldo manages to help get this one over the line, his signing will have been massively paid off for. I’m surprised he hasn’t used his status in a stronger suit to try and get Ole gone earlier, to be honest. I guess the respect for Ole/SAF runs very deep.
Be honest, you were absolutely underplaying winning La Liga.Yeah I'm not underplaying it, just pointing out that on the whole it's the big two and sometimes Atletico Madrid if they are in the mood. I agree overcoming Barca during that period is perhaps one of the most impressive things he's done.
Like I say, I'm not purposely underplaying his achievements, just pointing out what many may take as reasons to not respect him enough as a manager. As I said I think he's achieved a huge amount in a short period of time and I have him as my personal 2nd choice behind Ten Haag. I would prefer a hands on coach as the main trait in our next manager and Ten Haag's style is one I would like to see United transition to in the coming years, I think that would put us in a better position.
I'd have that Madrid team ahead of any CL squad, the spine of that team was the best we've ever seen in the CL imo. World class players with elite mentality for that competition. But it still needs management to achieve what they did under Zidane.
Maybe its strength of the squad if anything. Our midfield is pretty weak.Are there any suggestions out there to why Zidane doesn't want to coach in England?
It's just re-post of Duncan castles story, it's from their live tracker.