Any guesses as to how much Ajax would want ? 
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Any guesses as to how much Ajax would want ?
8-10Mil or 9.999mil + Forlan
Originally posted by ALGred:
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8-10Mil or 9.999mil + Forlan
Another swipe at Diego ehh. Actually I was thinking of him as a 4th striker....in case Diego gets injured
Originally posted by Raoul:
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Another swipe at Diego ehh. Actually I was thinking of him as a 4th striker....in case Diego gets injured
I can't help it Raoul, I think the negative results of his signing is way much more than just the 7.5 mils wasted, Having said all of this , I still hope and wish I am wrong and he will come back and prove me wrong, and I will post my appology for all to see, Unfortunately I think it will not happen.
I really feel though that I am more entitled to criticize him than the others to defend him as his performances simply do not warrent it.
Originally posted by ALGred:
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I can't help it Raoul, I think the negative results of his signing is way much more than just the 7.5 mils wasted, Having said all of this , I still hope and wish I am wrong and he will come back and prove me wrong, and I will post my appology for all to see, Unfortunately I think it will not happen.
I really feel though that I am more entitled to criticize him than the others to defend him as his performances are simply do not warrent it.
I'm 90% sure that Diego will come good. It's highly improbable that the scouting we've done was off the mark and its also highly improbable that his goal drought will continue on for much longer. He needs a goal from open play. Once he gets one, then many more will follow.
It's way too early to be declaring Diego a waste of money. We should not be concentrating on the price-tag, after all he did not set it, and just give him a season or two to prove his worth just like we did Cole, Sheringham etc.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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I'm 90% sure that Diego will come good. It's highly improbable that the scouting we've done was off the mark and its also highly improbable that his goal drought will continue on for much longer. He needs a goal from open play. Once he gets one, then many more will follow.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think it clouds-over before it rains
As for the scouting It depends as to the # of games, and the agents and maybe Martin's cut and so on . South America is in termoil and nobody is watching <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>It's way too early to be declaring Diego a waste of money. We should not be concentrating on the price-tag, after all he did not set it, and just give him a season or two to prove his worth just like we did Cole, Sheringham etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But that is not why we bought him, we did not buy a prospect, I did not mean to change the subject, but think of us having these strikers.
1-RVN 2-Cisse or Chev 3- OLe 4-Zlatan
We dont know what role SAF was hoping Diego would play in the team, but it is blatantly obvious he is one for the future rather than someone who will launch straight in to the first-team and scored 15+ goals in his first season a la Ole, otherwise he would have started more already. He is still settling in dont forget - he speaks pretty good English but his family and most of his friends are miles away.
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>We dont know what role SAF was hoping Diego would play in the team, but it is blatantly obvious he is one for the future rather than someone who will launch straight in to the first-team and scored 15+ goals in his first season a la Ole, otherwise he would have started more already. He is still settling in dont forget - he speaks pretty good English but his family and most of his friends are miles away.</strong><hr></blockquote>
OH stop it Wasim , I am crying. The poor guy needs his mommy then? all Fixed. Just call Fergie then and ask him to pay few mils and sign her
Originally posted by ALGred:
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I can't help it Raoul, I think the negative results of his signing is way much more than just the 7.5 mils wasted, Having said all of this , I still hope and wish I am wrong and he will come back and prove me wrong, and I will post my appology for all to see, Unfortunately I think it will not happen.
I really feel though that I am more entitled to criticize him than the others to defend him as his performances simply do not warrent it.
To be fair to Forlan, he does have some quality in him - two-footed, good acceleration and explosive shooting with either foot, the problem is the same we had with poborsky, good players who just can't settle well at OT.
I reckon he would do very well at another club...maybe boro
Originally posted by ALGred:
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OH stop it Wasim , I am crying. The poor guy needs his mommy then? all Fixed. Just call Fergie then and ask him to pay few mils and sign her
PM for ya
Why dont we agree to pause this debate and resume in Summer 2003?
Originally posted by lchk:
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Don't limit yourself to henry clones
how about cisse in the summer? or aghahowa? or zlatan? or robbie keane? or macarrone? or gudhjohnsen? etc
You don't know too many footballers outside of OT do you? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Why the smirk? Its not as if your saying something smart is it?
Anyway,
Here are the goal records of your heroes (and diego) pre Man Utd (ie for arguements sake we signed all six recently, which is why ive only included Diegos pre Utd goals and Keanes pre spurs goas etc)
Robbie Keane: 225 games before he joined Spurs including Ireland gave 75 goals. 1 in 3 in other words.
Maccarone: 95 games pre boro giving 44 goals. 1 in 2 in other words.
Cisse: Hard to fin details but from what i can see hes scored a mere 28 goals in 2 fulls seasons for Auxeers in the french League. Ill be generous and say he played 50 games, so its 1 in 2.
Zlatan: 77 games for Malmö FF and Ajax with 26 goals, so its 1 in 3.
Eidur: 205 games 74 goals which is 1 in 3.
and booh,, hiss
Diego Forlan: 77 games for indep and 36 goals. 1 in 2
Ill do it in order of better goal scoring record
Diego: 1 in 2
Maccarone: 1 in 2
Cissé: 1 in 2
Aghahowa: 1 in 2
Keane: 1 in 3
Eidur: 1 in 2
Zlatan: 1 in 3
So pre Man utd Diego had as good a scoring record as any of them. Had Utd not signed him you would be whinging about that.
All of the above players will cost more than Diego but youll still whings that we never get bargains.
I dont want to hear any bull about the argentinain league being shite either because ive also included goals form serie, b & c, iceland, swedish league etc.
What do you think of that then? Diego has as good a scoring record as all of your flavours of the month
What do you think of that then? Diego has as good a scoring record as all of your flavours of the month
Fair play Murt good post!!!!! Calm down a bit though <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Fair play Murt good post!!!!!
Calm down a bit though <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />Originally posted by Murt:
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Why the smirk? Its not as if your saying something smart is it?
Anyway,
Here are the goal records of your heroes (and diego) pre Man Utd (ie for arguements sake we signed all six recently, which is why ive only included Diegos pre Utd goals and Keanes pre spurs goas etc)
Robbie Keane: 225 games before he joined Spurs including Ireland gave 75 goals. 1 in 3 in other words.
Maccarone: 95 games pre boro giving 44 goals. 1 in 2 in other words.
Cisse: Hard to fin details but from what i can see hes scored a mere 28 goals in 2 fulls seasons for Auxeers in the french League. Ill be generous and say he played 50 games, so its 1 in 2.
Zlatan: 77 games for Malmö FF and Ajax with 26 goals, so its 1 in 3.
Eidur: 205 games 74 goals which is 1 in 3.
and booh,, hiss
Diego Forlan: 77 games for indep and 36 goals. 1 in 2
Ill do it in order of better goal scoring record
Diego: 1 in 2
Maccarone: 1 in 2
Cissé: 1 in 2
Aghahowa: 1 in 2
Keane: 1 in 3
Eidur: 1 in 2
Zlatan: 1 in 3
So pre Man utd Diego had as good a scoring record as any of them. Had Utd not signed him you would be whinging about that.
All of the above players will cost more than Diego but youll still whings that we never get bargains.
I dont want to hear any bull about the argentinain league being shite either because ive also included goals form serie, b & c, iceland, swedish league etc.
What do you think of that then? Diego has as good a scoring record as all of your flavours of the month
I've watched Diego pre-United, and can testify to his skill and ability. Maybe Panic Buyer never saw him in South America.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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I've watched Diego pre-United, and can testify to his skill and ability. Maybe Panic Buyer never saw him in South America.
The amazing thing was that he started every game he ever played for the indos
36 goals in 77 is some record in fairness, with that and his world cup goal hed be on every panic buyers list now if he hadnt signed for us and been underused.
I cant wait for itchys reply,
Originally posted by Murt:
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Why the smirk? Its not as if your saying something smart is it?
Anyway,
Here are the goal records of your heroes (and diego) pre Man Utd (ie for arguements sake we signed all six recently, which is why ive only included Diegos pre Utd goals and Keanes pre spurs goas etc)
Robbie Keane: 225 games before he joined Spurs including Ireland gave 75 goals. 1 in 3 in other words.
Maccarone: 95 games pre boro giving 44 goals. 1 in 2 in other words.
Cisse: Hard to fin details but from what i can see hes scored a mere 28 goals in 2 fulls seasons for Auxeers in the french League. Ill be generous and say he played 50 games, so its 1 in 2.
Zlatan: 77 games for Malmö FF and Ajax with 26 goals, so its 1 in 3.
Eidur: 205 games 74 goals which is 1 in 3.
and booh,, hiss
Diego Forlan: 77 games for indep and 36 goals. 1 in 2
Ill do it in order of better goal scoring record
Diego: 1 in 2
Maccarone: 1 in 2
Cissé: 1 in 2
Aghahowa: 1 in 2
Keane: 1 in 3
Eidur: 1 in 2
Zlatan: 1 in 3
So pre Man utd Diego had as good a scoring record as any of them. Had Utd not signed him you would be whinging about that.
All of the above players will cost more than Diego but youll still whings that we never get bargains.
I dont want to hear any bull about the argentinain league being shite either because ive also included goals form serie, b & c, iceland, swedish league etc.
What do you think of that then? Diego has as good a scoring record as all of your flavours of the month
Good post Murt! I reckon players from south america sometimes need more time to adapt to the game in England than, say, Scandinavian players. Players that have produced goals in the past generally comes back into good shape again. Villa's Angel is a case in point.
Originally posted by Raoul:
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I've watched Diego pre-United, and can testify to his skill and ability. Maybe Panic Buyer never saw him in South America.
I do believe he has skill and ability (especially since he has a powerful shot with either foot) but can he slot into the team? the signs are not encouraging.....
Originally posted by lchk:
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You can pull out all the stats you want - it's the performance on the pitch that counts.
Now what was forlan's goal scoring record for Utd so far?</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> useless effort itchy, face it Forlan has all the credentials all your heroes have, that must sicken you.
Forlans goal record for utd, well hes ahead of all your boys
Had we not signed Forlan hed be high up your list with a goal record like that.
What if we signed one of your heroes and he also didnt do so well at the start? Would you hate him too?
Originally posted by Murt:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> useless effort itchy, face it Forlan has all the credentials all your heroes have, that must sicken you.
Forlans goal record for utd, well hes ahead of all your boys
Had we not signed Forlan hed be high up your list with a goal record like that.
What if we signed one of your heroes and he also didnt do so well at the start? Would you hate him too?</strong><hr></blockquote>
So pulling out stats is gonna make your opinion more valid? I beg to differ....
My opinion is we should concentrate on european based players before we go for south americans
If you don't like my opinion, too bad <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
Thats a valid enough point. South Americans will not adapt as quickly to the premiership as quickly as Europeans (and particularily Scandinavian\Dutch players. But Diego is and was a buy for the future. A lot of spotlight is on him unfairly because of a combination of injury problems and our stupidity in discarding other options without replacing them.
If we had bought in a DiCanio or a similar type of player at the time, the focus would have been less on Diego, who hasthe ability to make it.
He hasn't started many games and in a lot of games he has been playing out of position.
Give him a chance.
If we had bought in a DiCanio or a similar type of player at the time, the focus would have been less on Diego, who hasthe ability to make it.
He hasn't started many games and in a lot of games he has been playing out of position.
Give him a chance.
Originally posted by alex hurley:
<strong>Thats a valid enough point. South Americans will not adapt as quickly to the premiership as quickly as Europeans (and particularily Scandinavian\Dutch players. But Diego is and was a buy for the future. A lot of spotlight is on him unfairly because of a combination of injury problems and our stupidity in discarding other options without replacing them.
If we had bought in a DiCanio or a similar type of player at the time, the focus would have been less on Diego, who hasthe ability to make it.
He hasn't started many games and in a lot of games he has been playing out of position.
Give him a chance.
For once a very decent opinion.
But I still think he won't make it at OT, nothing wrong with the player's ability mind you.
Originally posted by Murt:
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Why the smirk? Its not as if your saying something smart is it?
Even if he is, you will not notice, U need a brain. All what we saying is that with that kind of money U could buy a better striker and SAF did not buy a prospect since we neended 4 strikers or at least 3. Now here comes the smirk <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />