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He is still Crab, and would not pay 2mils for, most of 'South America's' buys look suspecious.
Nobody will care how Forlan is doing or if he spent all his time with the reserves if he cost below 3 mils. But 7.5mils will make it hard for him to be above criticizim and will not buy him time, it also means 5-6mil that could have been spent on a 'ready' striker.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Your not going to get a player with a goalscoring record like his in Argentin for cheap. He cant be criticised for the price tag, criticise Fergie, in fact criticise no one, its not your money is it?
 

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I remember him well. He was a quality keeper who was run out of town by the panic buying/instant gratification crowd. Too much was expected of him too quickly imo. That said, he was also MoM at Anfield during one of the final times we beat the dippers. I've had a chance to watch him in Italy since. He's a quality keeper and we would've done well to keep him as our no 2.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well said. Nice that someone dares to say so, after all this time.
 

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Did you consider it possible that a lot worse of a striker could be bought with that kind of money?
Collymore, Jeffers spring to mind.
Forlan was bought at a time when Di Canio was apparently going to sign. He was signed to start off as nr 4, its hardly his fault hes nr 3 is it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

You got insiders at OT teeling you forlan was going to be 4th choice?

Or are you talking out of your blinkered arse again?
 

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You got insiders at OT teeling you forlan was going to be 4th choice?

Or are you talking out of your blinkered arse again?</strong><hr></blockquote>

WTF ?? :confused: <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 

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Your not going to get a player with a goalscoring record like his in Argentin for cheap. He cant be criticised for the price tag, criticise Fergie, in fact criticise no one, its not your money is it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, criticize the negotiators for paying over the odds.
 

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No, criticize the negotiators for paying over the odds.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What negotiators ? That was the price they were selling him for.
 

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What negotiators ? That was the price they were selling him for.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well it's our fault for not being able to bring the price down especially for someone who's a virtual unknown like forlan.
 

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Well it's our fault for not being able to bring the price down especially for someone who's a virtual unknown like forlan.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He may have been a virtual unknown to you...the panic buying novice who spends his time slagging off United players instead of doing any sort of constructive research into new prospects, but he wasn't to many of us who watch SA football.
 

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He may have been a virtual unknown to you...the panic buying novice who spends his time slagging off United players instead of doing any sort of constructive research into new prospects, but he wasn't to many of us who watch SA football.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ok, I admit that I do not watch SA football a lot, but in the few times I did He did not grab my attention. I am not questioning your judgement here, but could you please tell me If any big Team from Spain or Italy or even Little Portugal(who are the normal customers) tried to get him? or was it only the massive Middlesborough?
 

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How the feck would anyone on this board know who were interested? Chances are we just lept in before anyone else could. Just answer me this: If we hadnt bought Forlan in January 2002, and he had continued his excellent scoring rate in Argentina, and you then saw his world class goal in the world cup, would you be against us signing him?
 

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Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>You got insiders at OT teeling you forlan was going to be 4th choice?
Or are you talking out of your blinkered arse again?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No inside info, just general knowledge, did you not know we almost signed Di Canio at the same time?
 

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<strong>No, criticize the negotiators for paying over the odds.</strong><hr></blockquote>

you were probably giving out when they didnt pay over the odds for Escude. As it said what we paid for Diego is not his fault.
 

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Ok, I admit that I do not watch SA football a lot, but in the few times I did He did not grab my attention. I am not questioning your judgement here, but could you please tell me If any big Team from Spain or Italy or even Little Portugal(who are the normal customers) tried to get him? or was it only the massive Middlesborough?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Dont worry Gazza, uncle Murt knows everything ;)

<a href="http://football.downloads.us.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=20" target="_blank">As well as PSV, Galatasaray, Lazio and Inter Milan have all been linked with the player</a>
Top scorer in his last two seasons in argentina too :eek:
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Stick that up yer thorax mr Gred :D

<a href="http://members.lycos.co.uk/biffo5/index-163.html" target="_blank">Some of his goals for the Indos, good stuff.</a>
 

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Originally posted by Murt:
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No inside info, just general knowledge, did you not know we almost signed Di Canio at the same time?</strong><hr></blockquote>

General knowledge? Where did you get that from? From your rectum?
 

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He may have been a virtual unknown to you...the panic buying novice who spends his time slagging off United players instead of doing any sort of constructive research into new prospects, but he wasn't to many of us who watch SA football.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course forlan was such a well-known player before he joined Utd <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

And you are such a great football expert in scouting for new prospects

Why don't you forward your recommendations to SAF then?

Tit :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>General knowledge? Where did you get that from? From your rectum?</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you dont believe that we were chasing Di Canio last January!
 

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Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>Of course forlan was such a well-known player before he joined Utd <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
And you are such a great football expert in scouting for new prospects
Why don't you forward your recommendations to SAF then?
Tit :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>
twice topscorer in the argentinin league no lessand chased by Inter, PSV, Lazio, Boro & Man Utd.
The truth is itchy that had PSV signed him today youd be whinging and complaining about our "negotiatiers"
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So you dont believe that we were chasing Di Canio last January!</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's probable after all SAF did mention about getting him but it's still mere conjecture about him being 3rd choice striker and forlan being 4th

So don't pass off your opinion as fact
 

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twice topscorer in the argentinin league no lessand chased by Inter, PSV, Lazio, Boro & Man Utd.
The truth is itchy that had PSV signed him today youd be whinging and complaining about our "negotiatiers"
<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

The truth is your news link was just a plain rumour similar to rumours linking us with totti, ronaldo and countless others which turn out to be naught.

You are desperately clutching at straws here just win some "face" in this argument by trying to pass of transfer rumours as facts.

"Blinkeredness" at its worst! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 

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Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>It's probable after all SAF did mention about getting him but it's still mere conjecture about him being 3rd choice striker and forlan being 4th
So don't pass off your opinion as fact</strong><hr></blockquote>

"Its probable beause Fergie mentioned getting him", how could it be more of a fact? If the queen was to nnounce it in her xmas speech?

So were agreed that Fergie tried to bring in Di Canio meaning Forlan would have been used less and given more time to settle in.
 

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"Its probable beause Fergie mentioned getting him", how could it be more of a fact? If the queen was to nnounce it in her xmas speech?

So were agreed that Fergie tried to bring in Di Canio meaning Forlan would have been used less and given more time to settle in.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mere conjecture.

But we'll never know shall we? So forget it.

Deal with the real concern at the present time of forlan's failure to produce the goods.
 

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<strong>Deal with the real concern at the present time of forlan's failure to produce the goods.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What failure? 1 league start all season no goals. Not bad considering your hero Heskey has scored 1 in 5 starts.
 

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What failure? 1 league start all season no goals. Not bad considering your hero Heskey has scored 1 in 5 starts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is your opinion sacred writ? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

Who cares what you think?

Or are you forgetting the 30 or so appearances forlan has put in from last season until now?
 

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Is your opinion sacred writ? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

Who cares what you think?

Or are you forgetting the 30 or so appearances forlan has put in from last season until now?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No

You do obviously

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I especiall like this one, last season you ridiculed Emile Heskey for being shite, then in typical itchy bollocks style you chnage your mind and decide hes decent.
Then you want to slate Diego for last seasons performnces <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

Heskey with 1 goal in 5 starts is decent
Diego 0 goals in 1 start is useless

and if anything you should be a bit biased towards you own player <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 

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No

You do obviously

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I especiall like this one, last season you ridiculed Emile Heskey for being shite, then in typical itchy bollocks style you chnage your mind and decide hes decent.
Then you want to slate Diego for last seasons performnces <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

Heskey with 1 goal in 5 starts is decent
Diego 0 goals in 1 start is useless

and if anything you should be a bit biased towards you own player <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Have you heard of ridicule being "tongue in cheek"?

Look, blinkered boy, no matter what you rant or rave, you are not going to change mine or anyone else's mind on what our opiniona are on certain players despite your best efforts in dragging up old quotes and passing off transfer rumours as facts.

So carry on believing forlan is the best thing since sliced bread

Wonder if you'll change your mind if he's sold off one day?
 

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Have you heard of ridicule being "tongue in cheek"?
No, is it similar to the expressison "head up arse"?

Look, blinkered boy, no matter what you rant or rave, you are not going to change mine or anyone else's mind on what our opiniona are on certain players despite your best efforts in dragging up old quotes and passing off transfer rumours as facts.
So carry on believing forlan is the best thing since sliced bread
Wonder if you'll change your mind if he's sold off one day?


I dont believe Forlan is the best thing since sliced bread, yet. But i think hell turn out to be a great player. Even more so now that ive checked the facts. All your arguement have been totally groundless. Your allways whinging about us not loosing out on great young players, then we have one and your still whinging <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

The facts are

1) You named 6 strikers who would prefer to Forln, i pointed out to you that Forlan had as good or better a record as any of them.
2) Your partner in crime Algred claimed no other big club were in for him, i proved the oppoite.
3) Your claiming Emile Heskey is decent by this season sperformances. I proved to you that he has done only marginally better than Diego.

We signed the best goalscorer in the argentinian league and thats still not good enough for you.
I cant wait until he does come good because apart from the obvious benefits your going to be so sickened and look like a total knob, again.
 

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Originally posted by lchk:
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Of course forlan was such a well-known player before he joined Utd <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

And you are such a great football expert in scouting for new prospects

Why don't you forward your recommendations to SAF then?

Tit :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>


You have to be the biggest idiot east of the International date line. Have you ever considered the possibility that there are footballers out there who have yet escaped the attention of your one dimensional little pea brain. You had no knowledge of Forlan before he joined us and so you in turn are translating that as the rest of the world having had little knowledge of him. Not true. Liverpool were linked with him 6 months before we even came into the picture, as were several other European clubs. For all we know, these press articles could've just been rumour, but the main point is that he was coveted well before Martin Ferguson bumped into him.
 

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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>Have you heard of ridicule being "tongue in cheek"?
No, is it similar to the expressison "head up arse"?

Look, blinkered boy, no matter what you rant or rave, you are not going to change mine or anyone else's mind on what our opiniona are on certain players despite your best efforts in dragging up old quotes and passing off transfer rumours as facts.
So carry on believing forlan is the best thing since sliced bread
Wonder if you'll change your mind if he's sold off one day?


I dont believe Forlan is the best thing since sliced bread, yet. But i think hell turn out to be a great player. Even more so now that ive checked the facts. All your arguement have been totally groundless. Your allways whinging about us not loosing out on great young players, then we have one and your still whinging <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />

The facts are

1) You named 6 strikers who would prefer to Forln, i pointed out to you that Forlan had as good or better a record as any of them.
2) Your partner in crime Algred claimed no other big club were in for him, i proved the oppoite.
3) Your claiming Emile Heskey is decent by this season sperformances. I proved to you that he has done only marginally better than Diego.

We signed the best goalscorer in the argentinian league and thats still not good enough for you.
I cant wait until he does come good because apart from the obvious benefits your going to be so sickened and look like a total knob, again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You can name all the past records and stats you want

Bottom line is Forlan has NOT produced the goods at OT and imo is rather unlikely to do so

We'll see who's right come the end of the season....wonder if you will be so cocksure about yourself then
 

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You have to be the biggest idiot east of the International date line. Have you ever considered the possibility that there are footballers out there who have yet escaped the attention of your one dimensional little pea brain. You had no knowledge of Forlan before he joined us and so you in turn are translating that as the rest of the world having had little knowledge of him. Not true. Liverpool were linked with him 6 months before we even came into the picture, as were several other European clubs. For all we know, these press articles could've just been rumour, but the main point is that he was coveted well before Martin Ferguson bumped into him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And I suppose you are the biggest moron west of the greenwich meridian? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Forget the rumours and the links - Were there any serious bids for him besides boro and us?

Perhaps you can enlighten us on this since you claim to be-all and end-all of south american football matters.

But that's not the main issue

The main issue is Forlan has failed to deliver so far and the difference in opinion is that you think he will do so and I take the opposite view which in turn pisses you off.

If that grates on you, tough!
 

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And I suppose you are the biggest moron west of the greenwich meridian? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Forget the rumours and the links - Were there any serious bids for him besides boro and us?

Perhaps you can enlighten us on this since you claim to be-all and end-all of south american football matters.

But that's not the main issue

The main issue is Forlan has failed to deliver so far and the difference in opinion is that you think he will do so and I take the opposite view which in turn pisses you off.

If that grates on you, tough!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ahh but you're not going to tap dance your way out of this one. You claimed he was a relative unknown and Murt and I proved you wrong. There were several European sides looking at Forlan well before us and Boro, which is compelling enough to suggest that he would be playing somewhere (probably) in Italy or Spain if we hadn't snatched him. Furthermore, its a good thing that SAF has more confidence in him than you do Panic Buyer. At least he's giving him a chance to get a few minutes here and there and hopefully improve his confidence. It shows that Fergie hasn't adopted the disgraceful attitude of kicking his players while they're down.
 

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You can name all the past records and stats you want

Bottom line is Forlan has NOT produced the goods at OT and imo is rather unlikely to do so

We'll see who's right come the end of the season....wonder if you will be so cocksure about yourself then</strong><hr></blockquote>

Whether you think he will or not is besides the point, what is unexceptable is you already claiming Forlan to be the worst signing this club has ever made, 30 sub appearances in to his arrival.
 

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Forget the rumours and the links - Were there any serious bids for him besides boro and us?
Perhaps you can enlighten us on this since you claim to be-all and end-all of south american football matters.
But that's not the main issue
The main issue is Forlan has failed to deliver so far and the difference in opinion is that you think he will do so and I take the opposite view which in turn pisses you off.
If that grates on you, tough!</strong><hr></blockquote>

So a rumour isnt good enough for you? Why is it that when some other club is "rumoured" to be watching some prodigee or other you start your usual whinging "why arnt we"?
Fact is that lots of clubs were after Forlan but he openly said he wanted to go to England. So we were right and you were wrong, admit it.
That fact that your view contrasts with mine doesnt bother me at all. The thing that does bother me is that you demand all these things, complain when you dont get em but in reality youve had em all along. Then when you do have a star you dont give him a chance and would prefer others, you named 6, none of them had a better record than Diego.

I can guarantee you that had Forlan not been stayed with the Indos last spring and scored "that goal" in the WC you would have been complaining.
 

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<strong>How the feck would anyone on this board know who were interested? Chances are we just lept in before anyone else could. Just answer me this: If we hadnt bought Forlan in January 2002, and he had continued his excellent scoring rate in Argentina, and you then saw his world class goal in the world cup, would you be against us signing him?</strong><hr></blockquote>
:rolleyes: SPECULATIONS? Gossip? Newspapers Rumor articles, ON this forum! No way, ever. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 

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:rolleyes: SPECULATIONS? Gossip? Newspapers Rumor articles, ON this forum! No way, ever. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

keep reading knob head <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 

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Dont worry Gazza, uncle Murt knows everything ;)

<a href="http://football.downloads.us.com/news/wmview.php?ArtID=20" target="_blank">As well as PSV, Galatasaray, Lazio and Inter Milan have all been linked with the player</a>
Top scorer in his last two seasons in argentina too :eek: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

Stick that up yer thorax mr Gred :D

<a href="http://members.lycos.co.uk/biffo5/index-163.html" target="_blank">Some of his goals for the Indos, good stuff.</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

First, I was asking a credible man (Raoul) who mostly knows (not always) what he is talking about. It was a question so no need for the insults. And by the way, I do not believe these links, as it looks like Boro was the only one who actually went for him.
And the ‘ambitious’ guy almost went there, except that we were stupid enough to pay
More(how stupid). Poor Boro must be really crushed. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 

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keep reading knob head <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh I get it, you hide your Stupidity with insults?Just make sure we never meet Bitch ;)
 

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Ahh but you're not going to tap dance your way out of this one. You claimed he was a relative unknown and Murt and I proved you wrong. There were several European sides looking at Forlan well before us and Boro, which is compelling enough to suggest that he would be playing somewhere (probably) in Italy or Spain if we hadn't snatched him. Furthermore, its a good thing that SAF has more confidence in him than you do Panic Buyer. At least he's giving him a chance to get a few minutes here and there and hopefully improve his confidence. It shows that Fergie hasn't adopted the disgraceful attitude of kicking his players while they're down.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok then forlan is one of the most famous rising stars in football today

and every tom, dick and harry worth his football salt would have heard of his wonderful goal exploits <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />

There were no serious bids for him apart from boro and us. What does that tell you? Your so-called links just don't cut it with me if there were even such links in the first place.
 

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So a rumour isnt good enough for you? Why is it that when some other club is "rumoured" to be watching some prodigee or other you start your usual whinging "why arnt we"?
Fact is that lots of clubs were after Forlan but he openly said he wanted to go to England. So we were right and you were wrong, admit it.
That fact that your view contrasts with mine doesnt bother me at all. The thing that does bother me is that you demand all these things, complain when you dont get em but in reality youve had em all along. Then when you do have a star you dont give him a chance and would prefer others, you named 6, none of them had a better record than Diego.

I can guarantee you that had Forlan not been stayed with the Indos last spring and scored "that goal" in the WC you would have been complaining.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Time will tell about Forlan. We'll see....