Berbatov | Fulham player
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
This. And on top of that his attitude when he gets frustrated stinks, possibly worse than any United player I can ever remember.
The amount of times HE was losing the ball by being muscled out to then just shrug his shoulders, walk back and start blaming Hernandez, Valencia, Anderson etc was pretty embarrassing.
But A Grade and a couple of others will always stick up for him, it's much easier to hate a Portuguese kid than their lovable Andy Garcia lookalike.
Hernandez had as much, if not more right to have a go at players, Berba included on plenty of occasions but he doesn't, he get's on with his fecking job instead of being a massive drama queen. Get angry Berb, no problem with that, but stop fecking shrugging your shoulders and use that all that fecking talent to make a fecking good example for the other players of what they SHOULD be doing instead of just letting your own game go to piss.
Now those are words that have no place when talking about Anderson last night.
I was of the opinion we should have sold him at the end of last year, and even though I like the fact he has never grumbled in public I do believe he's reached a point where it's best if he moves on to a club where he will be first team player.
Sadly, despite his record last year it was clear he was never really going to the man SAF trusted in the big games. This year that's been made even more clear with the immergence of Welbeck.
Berba cuts a frustrated figure and I have a feeling his negativity on the pitch rubs off on some of the other players (Nani and Anderson in particular). We'll never recover the money we spent on him, but had we sold him last summer when PSG were in the market for a striker at least we could have got 15-16 million which is probably more then we'll get next summer.
He's a classy player, but right from the off there was something about him which just made him seem out of sorts with the type of strikers United fans like. He simply hasn't got the charisma or leadership qualities to pull off the contemplative, brooding, genius forward that Cantona was and he lacks the work ethic and enthusiasm that most united fans want from their strikers (something Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez have in spades).
Sadly, despite his record last year it was clear he was never really going to the man SAF trusted in the big games. This year that's been made even more clear with the immergence of Welbeck.
Berba cuts a frustrated figure and I have a feeling his negativity on the pitch rubs off on some of the other players (Nani and Anderson in particular). We'll never recover the money we spent on him, but had we sold him last summer when PSG were in the market for a striker at least we could have got 15-16 million which is probably more then we'll get next summer.
He's a classy player, but right from the off there was something about him which just made him seem out of sorts with the type of strikers United fans like. He simply hasn't got the charisma or leadership qualities to pull off the contemplative, brooding, genius forward that Cantona was and he lacks the work ethic and enthusiasm that most united fans want from their strikers (something Rooney, Welbeck, Hernandez have in spades).
Sharky mate, I am in not in any way trying to take away from Nani's stats. Imagine if he was not selfish how many assists he would have?!? And for some reason, he has never liked passing to Berba in general.
Check out Nani's assist stats A Grade and stop talking pure shite.
His performance last night pretty much reminded us why he was dropped in the first place. Brilliant at times, infuriating at others. Like Anderson to be fair. The difference is Anderson doesn't have players like Welbeck and Hernandez competing for his place in the team.
Frustrated in himself,frustrated in the players.He was just one big bundle of joy out there last night.
i'm a big Berbatov supporter .... but i think think this is one of the most accurate and objective assessment of him that i have read on him on these boards. I concur completely.
In a sense, is SAFs fault .... Berba is very classy and brilliant plyer, just not for United given our footballing and supporter culture. His talent deserves to be showcased and he's do very well at a team like Barcelona, Inter or Chelsea.
I don't blame him too much for his inconsistency .... at his level of play, things need to be adjusted for him, he is our striker and strikers score goals which win matches which is the whole point.
Prob best he does move on in the summer or at xmas but to a club that is worthy of him. he can look back fondly at his time at United, helped us win many trophies and was rewarded with medals an personal awards .... but given the youth we have coming through, it may be best for both parties to part on very good terms.
Did we pose any threat real threat to the goal against Otelul without him being involved? I know you can say the Rooney goal but that was really an OG and a bit shit at that.
That being said he wasn't really good but then again, no one was in attack.
I'm a big fan of his. I prefer him to start to Welbeck definitely. Even to Hernandez as well as I find him quite limited against a team like Otelul. But he should have been sold with the way he's being used. He's being wasted.
That being said he wasn't really good but then again, no one was in attack.
I'm a big fan of his. I prefer him to start to Welbeck definitely. Even to Hernandez as well as I find him quite limited against a team like Otelul. But he should have been sold with the way he's being used. He's being wasted.
He wouldnt get anywhere near the Barcelona side and what makes you think he would do well even if he did? A similar player in Ibra failed there. And Ibra is twice the player Berbatov is
He wasn't particularly good last night, but the amount of times he got into dangerous positions and then didn't get the ball passed to him was ridiculous. Can see why he looked fed up.
True and it is probably best that he move on to another team. Based on his interviews, he will never become one of the 'lads' at United since he is so withdrawn and likes to do his own thing. I sometimes wonder if this is the reason why he is frequently ignored when in open positions. It has happened many times in the past and last night it happened a few times as well.
I don't think that his frustrated reactions at his teammates lead to them holding a grudge. Hell, any of us who play football know that tempers flare , frustrations appear during a match, but after, all is forgotten. But again, who knows?
I have always been curious about the relationships between players at a big club, the stars, the salaries, the supporting players. Only they would know excatly what is going on.
Typical mediocre at best, sulky and generally disinterested performance. Seems that this is all we really see of him nowadays. Such a shame because if most people were given his talent they'd be one of the Ballon D'or nominee's, not unlike the player he berated on a couple of occasions.
Berba has twice the attitude Ibra has. That alone would help him do better
spot on
I'm not one for jumping on the Berbatov hate-wagon, but he looked like he didn't give a shit at times last night, even for him. He got in open positions in and around the box, yet he just moped around without any visible alertness or eagerness to recieve the ball. And when he didn't he threw his arms around, which is a sight I was sick of seeing.
Like I say, looks miserable and unhappy even for him. Will probably be gone in January.
Like I say, looks miserable and unhappy even for him. Will probably be gone in January.
He was bright at times last night but then he faded into looking like a broken man. In fairness, and we saw it with Rooney last season, confidence is the making or breaking of a player and he hasn't got any at the moment. He'd loo much more of a threat if he was sharp and confident, which I can't see happening given the options we have up front. It would be a sad way for him to finish his time here after his contribution - particularly last season - if he was just to drift out of the first team picture before being offloaded. But he has to do more with the chances he does get, which isn't a role which suits him especially well.
Probably because he knows that if the pass doesn't reach him for whatever reason, Berbatov will give him a bollocking. He's probably sick of his moaning.
I thought he looked good when he was linking up with others (Chicharito particularly) but looked completely devoid of confidence in front of goal. Basically how he's been throughout his United career last season aside. I didn't see any lack of interest though, and I thought he played quite well. As for the complaining and gestures, it's quite funny, there's no doubt in my mind it annoys the people watching more than it annoys the people he's directing his complaints at...which is quite ridiculous.
Exactly, everyone who plays football experiences this and unless you're an absolute woman you don't hold grudges off the pitch. The funny thing is that if Keano was doing it the same supporters would be off their armchairs clapping his desire to win.
Berbs did ok i suppose, similarly to the leeds and aldershot games but he doesn't seem to click with any of his teammates for me. he'll play a pass to feet when they want it in space or vice versa, he'll come short when we look to put him in behind, or vice versa, he'll pass when we want him to shoot, or vice versa! how many times in his last few apearances has he ran down blind alleys in the opposite direction to the rest of the team - its bizarre!
To see a player with such invention and imagination be almost completely at cross purposes with everyone else is a little concerning, no wonder he gets so frustrated. For all his ability and experience he should be pushing for first choice in the big games but given his recent performances against frankly terrible opposition i really cant see how anyone can make a genuine case for it. I like berbs, he's always been a good lad and has provided some wonderful touches during his time here but he's never established himself as a focal point in our style of play which is now changing once again and leaving him behind.
His time is almost up imo
To see a player with such invention and imagination be almost completely at cross purposes with everyone else is a little concerning, no wonder he gets so frustrated. For all his ability and experience he should be pushing for first choice in the big games but given his recent performances against frankly terrible opposition i really cant see how anyone can make a genuine case for it. I like berbs, he's always been a good lad and has provided some wonderful touches during his time here but he's never established himself as a focal point in our style of play which is now changing once again and leaving him behind.
His time is almost up imo
I think Keane's performances and the fact he was captain gave him the right to say whatever he wanted.
If Berbatov gave similar commited performances I would have no problem with him giving out
You seem suprised by his laziness. It's certainly nothing new.
I have played football higher up than probably 80-90% of this forum. What Berba does is a fecking joke, it's called "spitting the dummy" and he acts like a complete fecking baby and plays shitter because of it.
Keano on the other hand got mad, very fecking mad, then he went and demanded more from the players, but you know what he always did first.... he gave that bit more himself, as if to say, "that's how you fecking do it, now you do the fecking same next time".
That's why Keane was a great captain, comparing Berbatov's dummy spitting with Roy's leadership is something only someone "who doesn't play football" would do.
I'd love Keane on my team, Berba on the other hand, I'd go fecking mental at him and his shit attitude week in week out.
They both demand more of their teammates, that's the parallel I was drawing.I have played football higher up than probably 80-90% of this forum. What Berba does is a fecking joke, it's called "spitting the dummy" and he acts like a complete fecking baby and plays shitter because of it.
Keano on the other hand got mad, very fecking mad, then he went and demanded more from the players, but you know what he always did first.... he gave that bit more himself, as if to say, "that's how you fecking do it, now you do the fecking same next time".
That's why Keane was a great captain, comparing Berbatov's dummy spitting with Roy's leadership is something only someone "who doesn't play football" would do.
I'd love Keane on my team, Berba on the other hand, I'd go fecking mental at him and his shit attitude week in week out.
It's not as if Berbatov has no right to criticise, he was our top scorer last year by a distance.
Do you really think that SAF would tolerate a player in his team that was lazy and had "a shit attitude"? He would have sold him to PSG when they approached us in the summer if that was the case.
World of a difference as Sharky correctly pointed out. It isnt really a big deal though, i do agree with that. Players tend to leave stuff like that on the field. But, what is also true is that he should be making a bigger effort himself if he throws a fit at everyone else.
I think the fact we only see Berbatov rarely is a clear sign he does not tolerate it. And how do we know that he did not want to sell him? Berbatov does not have to move if he does not want to. He has a contract.
By a distance of 1 goal.
I thought about editing that.He was our top scorer in the league by a distance, the only competition we won last year.
Correct Evra, all of our players have a right to criticize.... if they are playing well themselves, or at least, if being critical doesn't turn their own games to piss.
I'd love Berba to spend all night having a go at Nani, Hernandez, Anderson etc if he was good when he had the ball and was setting the example, but the truth is, he was getting bullied of the ball far too easily all night.
But anyway, my biggest gripe with his antics is that he always plays worse when he gets that way, even if it got him up for it then it'd be fine.
No answer to my second point then Sharky?
Yes
Someone already answered it above. Berbatov spends too much time on the bench and missing big games for someone so talented, and so in my eyes, SAF doesn't tolerate it.
If he thought for one minute he had a player who had a shit attitude and was lazy then that player would be out of the door quicker than you can say "Bosnich".
Or be relegated down the pecking order behind Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck and probably even Owen. Perhaps not Bosnich, but I'll wager he'll be out the door quicker than you can say "January".
You think it might work in Berba favour to start playing internationally again? At least he will be getting game time. If he is getting sporadic games then he isn't getting the game time he needs.
No he would have been sold when PSG approached us in the Summer or failing that to one of the numerous clubs that would have been delighted to have the Golden Boot winner in their team. Like it or not SAF clearly doesn't buy this "shit attitude" nonsense you lot are peddling.