Devil_forever
You're only young once, you can be immature f'ever
What on earth has Goggs started?!Nice guess. Want to try your luck again and suggest why they would do such thing as "ditching" the Cell/incorporate AMD CPU? Fusion perhaps?
What on earth has Goggs started?!Nice guess. Want to try your luck again and suggest why they would do such thing as "ditching" the Cell/incorporate AMD CPU? Fusion perhaps?
How can you decide already before knowing specifications, games that will be available etc etcIf the PS4 costs way more than the 720, I'll buy the microsoft machine again. If it's within 20-30 quid, say, I'll get the Sony one.
Who's Goggs? Who are you? Where am I?!What on earth has Goggs started?!
Weaste is going to stick his penis in your 'warm sloppy hole' soon enough.Who's Goggs? Who are you? Where am I?!
A brave brave soul. You'll need his bravery if you're to survive. Given the recent episode with Goggs Weaste will be vying for blood. Good luck.Who's Goggs? Who are you? Where am I?!
I be po' yo!How can you decide already before knowing specifications, games that will be available etc etc
As I said in post 61, the thing probably needs an OoOE core with reasonable performance. The PPE is a turd, and the XB360 has 3 of them. On the other hand, the SPEs smoke any current CPU at what they are good at, largely down to them having their own local memory and silly bandwidth between them. Some people incorrectly say that GPUs are better for the job, well they are not. GPUs are great for highly parallisable tasks, and are very simple. SPEs are somewhere in the middle. They can act like a normal CPU (yes, you could for example run an OS off one), but they are also quite capable of doing some things that a GPU unit can, especially at their current or higher clock. The thing with the Cell is that is asymmetric, in that the PPE and the SPEs do not have the same ISA. The PPE could be replaced with anything, or complimented by anything. It's not an issue. Toshiba with their SPURS Engine had a little unit four SPEs and no PPE at all.Really they should ditch the Cell altogether and go with a more traditional approach ,if only to appease the developers/publishers on that front. People still haven't got completely used to the thing.
They won't though, so hopefully this time it is used more to it's potential.
What's the cost like on these things now Weaste? Is it low enough to access all the 'cores' at a higher clock and still put in a new machine?
Masaaki Tsuruta, CTO of Sony Computer Entertainment, says that the company is working on a system-on-chip (SoC) to underpin the product for "seven to 10 years".
The DSP is clearly the SPEs. Toshiba have already stacked the SPURS engine on top of a multi-core ARM die.He describes the architecture in broad terms: "You are talking about powerful CPU and GPU with extra DSP and programmable logic."
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"We are confident that we can now see a way and that we can use some of these advanced methods to create a new kind of system-on-chip. We think that there are the technologies today that can be taken to this project.”
You only have to have a quick google search to see the idiots comparing various i7s to the cell in the PS3. Thankfully you always seem to get one guy on there who knows what he is talking about and normall y just points out what I said earlier in this thread - comparing them is utterly pointless.
One thing you've got to love about Sony, is they do hire utter fruitloops to oversee these things with grand dreams and magical claims. As I've said all along, you have to admire what they try to achieve every generation and how they try to push architecture on. It's just a shame they lapse on the software side and cause endless headaches for developers.
A more traditional set up combined with the knowledge base on the Cell now, might just be enough for them to finally move forward and stop slumming it with whatever "throw shit at it and see what sticks" box M$ come up with this time. Then again is there any point, since the main theme these days is the same across the board, no matter the system attitude of publishers and their pet in house development teams.
There is no problem with the PS3 architecture as such if that's what you focus on, however, if you design and engineer your stuff in a traditional manner to hit traditional architectures such as PC or XB360, and then try to run it on the PS3, it will fall on its arse. Developers 6 years ago were very, and I mean very, weary of getting into what Cell was proposing due to serious lack of knowledge on how to do things in the way that it demands. Nowadays however, they see things differently, as everything is multi-core, and parallelism is becoming not some oddball thing done on mainframes, but something that every application should think about. The crazy thing is, if the developers had focused on the PS3 version as the lead, the PC and XB360 versions would also have been better off for it. Do Naughty Dog have problems getting performance out of the machine? Of course not.Am I right in saying that GTA 4 got delayed for a few months because there were problems creating the PS3 version?
Ask yourself a simple question here, and you will get a very simple answer. Why did IBM use AMD CPUs in Roadrunner? Still ther 10th most powerfull supercomputer on the planet, and using 6000 Opterons and 12000 Cells (2 Cell blades per 1 AMD Opteron). Unfortunately the Opterons feck the power per watt over. Cell is very "green".Nice guess. Want to try your luck again and suggest why they would do such thing as "ditching" the Cell/incorporate AMD CPU? Fusion perhaps?
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/341824/ps4-is-called-orbis-launching-late-2013-report/PS4 is called Orbis, launching late 2013 - report
PlayStation 4 is called - or codenamed - Orbis and is set for a release in time for the 2013 holiday season.
That's according to "a reliable" Kotaku source, who told the site the console's specs will consist of an AMD x64 CPU and an AMD Southern Islands GPU, which will apparently be capable of displaying games at a resolution of up to 4096x2160, and playing 3D games in 1080p.
The site was also informed that Sony doesn't intend to offer any backwards compatibility with PS3 games, and that PS4 will feature inbuilt anti-used games measures. Games are expected to be available on Blu-ray disc or digitally, and will likely be locked to a PSN account that requires players to be online to boot them up. Second-hand buyers would have to pay an unlock fee to access the full game content. Similar claims were made about the next-gen Xbox earlier this year.
Select studios have reportedly been receiving PS4 dev kits since the beginning of the year, with more finalised units set to arrive towards the end of 2012.
Forbes also claimed in February that Sony's as yet unannounced next-generation console will use a graphics chip provided by AMD.
Around the same time, US PlayStation boss Jack Tretton played down the chances of Sony launching PS4 any time soon.
It's not going to happen! Ignore such things. This time in a console generation lifespan is troll heaven.Needing internet access to boot up a game is total bullshit. What if you do something as simple as bring your console to a friends house, and they don't have broadband?
Only a Corkman would have such a problem.Needing internet access to boot up a game is total bullshit. What if you do something as simple as bring your console to a friends house, and they don't have broadband?
Lets hope so. Killing off the second hand trade for video games will be the death of Sony and Microsoft's console division.It's bullshit!
Millions and millions of others just like you (and me) will feel exactly the same as this.If its true (I'd be inclined to believe Weaste that its bs), I'll never buy the thing. No backwards compatibility so they can sell a classics collection, essentially an online pass to unlock full games? feck that shit, there's so many good games on the current gen I haven't had time to play, I'll be set for years just catching up. The way the video game industry is going sucks.
Steam has ruined Football Manager.As for the internet thing, people said the same thing about Half Life 2. My friend bought the game, had no internet and couldn't take it back until he pretended that the disc he bought had been scratched. Lots and lots of people where pissed off with the Half Life 2 disgusting DRM.
And now its the fantastic service that is steam.
Even if you friend doesn't have internet, you could activate the game at home and then take the ps4 round to their house.
Because it updates automatically and you lose your game saves?Steam has ruined Football Manager.
Sources close to VG247 have revealed that Sony is planning to release the PlayStation 4 before next Christmas, which is when Microsoft is expected to launch its next console.
The source stated that Sony is "confident" of beating Microsoft to market this time around. The Xbox 360 was out for almost a full year before Sony released the PlayStation 3.
"Top line publishers" already know about the console's specifications, with the source confirming that "Developers working with publishers – like Ubisoft, for example – already know what's going on. They're already working on it."
Most other developers will be briefed "by the end of this year", though some have been invited to events in May and June in the US.
This news comes after it was widely speculated earlier today that the next Xbox would require a constant internet connection and would be out around Christmas 2013.
Maybe a future revision of this?Hopefully the AMD CPU will be better than there recent consumer CPUs they've put out....
Is becoming clearer. In the 3rd party IP space they can place the SPEs (read DSPs and whatever else) space allowing. Programmable logic? FPGA? GPU on die, can be used for highly parallelisable jobs or graphics work. Something has to go in there to deal with the PS3 SPEs if they want backward compatibility. Interesting!He describes the architecture in broad terms: "You are talking about powerful CPU and GPU with extra DSP and programmable logic."