Not sure if serious.
Chelsea vs Messi (Chelsea vs Barca thread)
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Yes, but a lot of people believe the history they're making is tainted. Getting bought by a billionaire and as a result hiring one of the best upcoming managers around and getting some of the most talented players available and then creating history isn't quite that special.
Of course I'm only suggesting to the post Abrahmovic era and achievements and achievements-in-progress since.
Congrats to Fabregas for saying Barcelona deserved to win. You might have deserved to win if you had not missed such easy chances, Cesc.
Stay classy.
Stay classy.
What about "Real" Madrid and their bottomless pit of cash that seems to never end. Is their history tainted? I don't think so. Even though Franco made sure they had the best team in the world.
Every "historical" club has had a rich owner at some point or another. FAHCT!
You have to feel sorry for cesc though really. Leaves trophy less Arsenal in attempt to win big trophies at club level, only to walk away this year with club world cup medal he did nothing to deserve, the equivalent of a charity shield and potentially the equivalent of the F.A. Cup....
Just joking, eat a dick cnut.
Just joking, eat a dick cnut.
Personally, I don't know enough about Real's history to be honest.
Hasn't our success over the last two decades been without any helping hand from a rich fellow?
That's two medals more than the Arsenal players are getting this season.
Oh it's a "joke". Lolz. Hilarious.
Yeah, we were a PLC (the good old days).
Bollox. That's not comparable.
The whole "football club as a penis extension for an oligarch" is a relatively new phenomenon. It's not even close to being the same thing as a club being a PLC ffs.
The whole "football club as a penis extension for an oligarch" is a relatively new phenomenon. It's not even close to being the same thing as a club being a PLC ffs.
Obviously not. I wasn't comparing the two. All I said was that all "historical" clubs have been bank rolled by a very rich man (never women) at some point or another. Why should chelsea's be any different?
If you can't see the enormous difference between Abramovic's funding of Chelsea and the way clubs like United and Barca (and even Real Madrid) have earned money over the years then I can't be bothered explaining it to you.
No, I believe financial doping is doing that
In 20 years no one will care how they came about in such a position. Do people think whole of Arsenal' history is tainted because they bribed their way into the top league? No, it is just an event in their history now. As will Roman takeover be in Chelsea's.
Just as well none of us are posting from 20 years in the future, eh?
Or if you are, please tell me Chelsea don't win the final?
Or if you are, please tell me Chelsea don't win the final?
Barca and Real have been bank rolled by local government and businessmen for over a century. Local banks were constantly pressured to write off debts owed by the clubs which allowed them to acquire the best talent in the world, which in turn allowed them to win the biggest trophies in Spain, which then turned them into the two biggest clubs in Spain.
When that wasn’t enough they decided they need more money to compete with the European clubs and that lesser clubs in Spain with no “history” didn’t deserve an equal share of TV revenue. The hell if Valencia or Bilbao go out of business.
Look at Barca, Real and Inter's balance sheets. They're all at it.
I have never said it is wring to criticize them now for taking an inorganic path to success.
Basically people are not that bothered about them reaching the final because they are not our traditional rivals. Liverpool City and Leeds are. No matter what division or cup those teams are in people want them to lose in almost all cases. Look at Liverpool now, no threat to us in the league but people would still want them to lose. It is different with likes of Arsenal and Chelsea. They are only our rivals when they are competing with us for the league. If this semi had happened in Jose era then almost all here would have wanted Chelsea to lose no matter what. What has happened here is that people no longer see Chelsea as threat to us and are not bothered if they have a chance to win the cup now.
Just maybe. It's too close to call apparently.
Yeah, I know. I've always held that it's tainted. But I do wonder at what point does it stop mattering. I mean what if some irregularity that occurred 40 years ago about us comes to notice tomorrow. It can't discount everything that happened subsequently. Juve aren't a nothing club all of a sudden. As of now, I think my argument is valid given it's been just 8 years since Chelsea's taken over and dramatic 'make-over' but it's not set in stone and merits debate/thought.
They spend a lot but they didn't become big clubs when one rich Russian decided to drop in over night.
They have been doing what Chelsea are doing for longer and on a larger scale, yes, but it is not that different.
Who said it was in any way close?
Of course, I've never fully understood why people who've never gone to a game against any of the three teams I mentioned and live on a different continent could be all that bothered about the subtleties of regional rivalry in the North West of England.
That said, it's clear that Chelsea are a tier below the most hated of local rivals. They remain one of the two teams we've battled with most often for the league title over the last decade. Which is not far off half a lifetime for most posters in this thread. That makes them rivals, by any definition. Ludicrous to pretend otherwise.
You're getting desperate.
It really is different.
Chelsea and City's spending since their most recent takeover is on a scale that no other club has ever come close to, in terms of stupendous spending over a very short period of time. They both spent more or less half a billion pounds over 2 or 3 years. Has any club in history ever done the same?
Why did some of you want to see Chelsea beat Barcelona?
The Chelsea love in in some of the threads is actually making me feel ill. No problem in admitting they did well and overcame odds. But some of you seem almost delighted with their success. Its sickening.
No matter what you think of Barcelona. We should all hate Chelsea far more.
The Chelsea love in in some of the threads is actually making me feel ill. No problem in admitting they did well and overcame odds. But some of you seem almost delighted with their success. Its sickening.
No matter what you think of Barcelona. We should all hate Chelsea far more.
Struck a nerve, did I?
Inter, Juve and Milan have had very rich owner for a much longer period then Chelsea. Should we discount all the trophies they've won because Moratti/Fiat/Berlusconi out spent their rivals.
Barcelona are a different class to Chelsea.
If anyone thinks Chelsea winning makes them better, or Barcelona inferior needs to have a word with a psychiatrist. Freak results happen all the time. It's the unpredictability of this sport which makes it a spectacle, and it's the reason we're here arguing. I still maintain football on the menu over the last few years at Barcelona has been arguably the best we have ever witnessed.
If anyone thinks Chelsea winning makes them better, or Barcelona inferior needs to have a word with a psychiatrist. Freak results happen all the time. It's the unpredictability of this sport which makes it a spectacle, and it's the reason we're here arguing. I still maintain football on the menu over the last few years at Barcelona has been arguably the best we have ever witnessed.
You wish. As I said, you're getting desperate.
There's no maybe about the differences between those rivalrys and the one with chelsea. No need to keep trying to find new and more inane ways to redeem the original flawed statement. Everyone makes mistakes.
I wanted them to win last night because Barca fans are a bunch of holier-than-thou twats and they've annoyed me more than Chelsea recently. Still hope Chelsea get dicked in the final.
Personally, I see anyone competing with United as rivals. Rivalry just becomes more intense if it happens to be one of Liverpool, Leeds, and City. This year I couldn't care less about teams such as Chelsea, or Arsenal.
That's pathetic.
I have been to a number of United games while living in Europe but does not mean that people who, while living in other continents could not afford such luxuries, should have no idea about the rivalries that are a big part of United histories or should be barred from commenting on it. Unless you suggest for an overseas United fan, matches against Liverpool and Chelsea should have same significance? Or perhaps someone who was born into United support in last 5 years should have no reason to consider Leeds as our rivals since we hardly play them anymore?
You made a clueless comment about trying to compare our rivalry with Chelsea with our traditional rivals and are now spouting more bollocks to cover the said feckwittery.
Spot on. When we are competing with likes of Arsenal or Chelsea people would want them to lose in the same way as they do with Liverpool or City. Look at the vitrol against Arsenal when they were at the same level as us and how it has toned down since they declined. The same thing has happened with Chelsea this season.
I can't understand either. Any football fan would want the team playing the best attractive football to win the game.
Inane? Hardly. Feel free to carry on ignoring the point being made though.
To be honest, the Leeds rivalry is a bit lost on me - what with the War of the Roses being a bit before my time and only visiting Lancashire intermittently. Of course, it helps that they've hardly ever provided any meaningful competition in my lifetime. Might be different if they were less shit.
I despise Liverpool because of my age as much as anything else. Growing up supporting United at a time when Liverpool won everything is enough to hold grudges for quite some time.
City? Well we've got two derby games every year to keep that fresh and I've been to a few over the years, which stokes the rivalry nicely. Besides, that's the way football works. Every club has it's nemesis from the same city. I can buy into that easy enough.
What I don't understand is people even further removed, geographically, from all the intensity of these local rivalries coming on here and telling other people that Chelsea - a club who have been our rivals for the PL title more than any other team in the recent past - aren't our rivals.
Stuff like this...
...from someone who's only ever watched United play on tv - from the far side of the world - just comes across as trying a bit too hard. Know what I mean?
Why is it that you, personally, feel the rivalry with Leeds soooooooo much more intensely than you do the rivalry with Chelsea?
I'll ask you the same question, then.
Why is it that you, personally, feel the rivalry with Leeds soooooooo much more intensely than you do the rivalry with Chelsea?
Not that I particularly wanted chelsea to win but that's a very wrong assumption sults. Firstly, many problem don't believe barca play very attractive football. And secondly, football is a game more of emotion than aesthetics. You develop likes and dislikes or even biases. At times you take a stance that you feel suits your clubs interests. All that is part of the mindset of a football fan.
I'm not applying this to chelsea vs barca but I think your statement doesn't take into account a lot of factors. Real used to play some great stuff when zidane was in his pomp at real. Should everyone have wanted them to win? Should the bigger teams with mote talented players always be supported over the lesser ones who rely on grit and determination?
I swear if I don't know any better I'd thought Pogue, Sultan and the likes are Barca fans
Chelsea were a rival before the title challenges too really, they were one of the few teams that really had our number at times in the 90's and early 00's prior to their takeover, fecking infuriating at times, hated playing them even then. Their fans loved it.
Ok thats not a Liverpool rivalry, but a small rivalry has always been there and not in some ABU way, the takeover has clearly intensified it to about similar levels of Arsenal.
Ok thats not a Liverpool rivalry, but a small rivalry has always been there and not in some ABU way, the takeover has clearly intensified it to about similar levels of Arsenal.