All-Time Fantasy Draft

[Thisistheone]

NM has been pm'd


Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti 6. Kocsis 7. Vidic 8. Shesternyov 9. Pirri 10. Czibor 11. Pfaff 12. Ocwirk 13. Costacurta

DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele 6. McGrath 7. Vogts 8. Camacho 9. Seedorf 10. Drogba 11. Cech, 12. Van Persie 13. Yaya

KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved 6. Valderrama 7. Banks 8. Schiaffino 9. Djalma Santos 10. Popluhar 11. Lizarazu 12. Robben 13. Busquets

Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna 6. Bremner 7. Carlos Alberto 8. Blanc 9. Alonso 10. Lahm 11. Preud’Homme 12. Weah 13. Luis Enrique

NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram 6. Tardelli 7. Carvalho 8. Blokhin 9. Rummenigge 10. Cole 11. Zamora 12. Netzer

Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles 6. Tigana 7. Hierro 8. Maier 9. Nilton Santos 10. Shevchenko 11. Kahn 12. Hamrin

Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews 6. Brehme 7. Trésor 8. McGrain 9. Spencer 10. Germano 11. Sárosi 12. Mazurkiewicz

MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza 6. Schmeichel 7. Rui Costa 8. Nasazzi 9. Chumpitaz 10. Zebec 11. Monti 12. Suurbier

JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam 6. Law 7. Deco 8. Janes 9. Augusto 10. Peters 11. Giles 12. Gamarra

mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi 6. Varela 7. Koeman 8. Marzolini 9. Gerets 10. Kopa 11. Shilton 12. Johnstone

EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario 6. Desailly 7. Dzajic 8. Schnellinger 9. Essien 10. Guardiola 11. Southall 12. Burgnich

Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids 6. Gentile 7. Moreno 8. Nordahl 9. Franklin 10. Jennings 11. Demyanenko 12. Morton

Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry 6. R. Ferdinand 7. Effenberg 8. Vasovic 9. Dasayev 10. Andrade 11. Erico 12. Rivelino

Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic 6. Cafu 7. Kubala 8. Van Nistlerooy 9. Puyol 10. Ayala 11. Montero 12. Happel

Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi 6. Finney 7. Viera 8. Irwin 9. Cabrini 10. Raul 11. Veron 12. Cordoba

paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit 7. Socrates 8. Amoros 9. Schuster 10. Gordillo 11. Beckham 12. Gregg

 

[DanNistelrooy]

With RVP and Toure on the bench or...

With Drogba and Seedorf on the bench

Thoughts?

 

[antohan]

The man who could play about 20 different positions

Luis Enrique

You are a cnut, one of my favourite players ever. I wanted him even if it was to just sit there!

 

[Moby]

And that's the third gone. Back to the drawing board, boss.

 

[Brwned]

Here's half the teams' formation graphics if people are looking for them all in one place to compare...

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This is the basic idea. Gullit drifting around in that same position he played for Milan, given the licence to roam wherever needed.

So this is my thoughts at the moment after various discussions with my background staff

Done this again just to better illustrate the fluidity of the attack and the ability for both of the strikers to drop deep and play in the hole as an attacking midfielder - hopefully will counter the criticism that Neeskens and Tardelli will be out fought by the opposing two CM's and their attacking mid, who will likely be doing no more defensively than Pele or Rummenigge would!

Rummenigge is positions to the left so he can interchange with Blokhin at times, with the winger drifting in to run at the defence and the German peeling to the left and running the channels. Likewise on the right, Boniek is comfortable playing as an attacking midfielder and can cut infield at will. The two wingers and two forwards offer the best collective ability to run at defenders and dribble through the backline. This ability isn't solely limited to trickery, which they possess in abundance, but lighting pace as well which provides a decisive threat on the counter. Neeskens and Tardelli will solely focus on the midfield battle and are a match for any of the partnerships assembled in the draft.

Argentinian colours in favour of our captain - Daniel Passarella.

Peter Shilton.

Shilton
Gerets --- Bergomi --- Koeman --- Marzolini
Varela --- Breitner
Jairzinho --- Kopa --- Stoichkov
Puskas​

Thoughts?

Look if everybody is rating each other's team, then rate mine too.

 

[Thisistheone]

You are a cnut, one of my favourite players ever. I wanted him even if it was to just sit there!

And that's the third gone. Back to the drawing board, boss.

Him & Weah are two of my favourites so delighted to get them. Luis Enrique could be key if I get past the first round because of his versatility.

 

[Theon]

We pick Billy McNeill - captained Celtic to 9 league championships, 13 Scottish cups and the 1967 European Cup becoming the first British player to ever lift the trophy.

 

[antohan]

Him & Weah are two of my favourites so delighted to get them. Luis Enrique could be key if I get past the first round because of his versatility.

Weah was in the second batch of options as well.

I'm an idiot, it only ever made sense for paceme to get Rivelino and his turn was after ours, we completely lost the plot there. I knew Luis Enrique would be gone, no chance he wouldn't.

Bugger. My fault.

 

[Theon]

I have loved Edogen's side throughout the competition and he's still the one I would wish to avoid! Though in truth there are a few absolutely fantastic teams here.

 

[kps88]

Like the look of EDogen and mightberight from the ones Brwned posted. Dan's put together an excellent team of modern players, it looks as if he's playing in a completely different draft to everyone else. Not sure how the voting will go for him.

 

[Cling Bak]

With RVP and Toure on the bench or...

With Drogba and Seedorf on the bench

Thoughts?

The second one, with Seedorf in for Yaya Toure.

 

[Cutch]

My turn?

 

[Theon]

Yup

 

[Theon]

I like Dan's team but there isn't much workrate in that front 4.

 

[Cutch]

To complete my starting XI I'm going for Chile's greatest ever fullback Luis 'Fifo' Eyzaguirre, who was a standout performer for Chile when they came 3rd in the 1962 World Cup. He was considered one of the best right backs of his time, only eclipsed by the legendary Brazilian Djalma Santos.. He was one of the players invited by the FIFA to play in a commemorative game celebrating the centennial anniversary of football.

He was considered to be strong going forward but also a very capable defender. Should be able to form a good understanding with Hamrin on the right flank and Charles alongside him with them all playing in the same era.

Shevchenko and Meier on the bench

Good luck stoppin that team from scoring!

 

[DanNistelrooy]

Like the look of EDogen and mightberight from the ones Brwned posted. Dan's put together an excellent team of modern players, it looks as if he's playing in a completely different draft to everyone else. Not sure how the voting will go for him.

I have to admit to not knowing too much about the history of players (pre late 80s say) so wouldn't really have a leg to stand on when making an argument. The main reason I join these drafts is to learn a bit more, we do have some very knowledgeable posters on here!!

 

[Cling Bak]

I like Dan's team but there isn't much workrate in that front 4.

Ridiculously creative though.

 

[Theon]

Ridiculously creative though.

No question! Outrageously good wingers.

 

[Cold_Boy]

I have to admit to not knowing too much about the history of players (pre late 80s say) so wouldn't really have a leg to stand on when making an argument. The main reason I join these drafts is to learn a bit more, we do have some very knowledgeable posters on here!!

Why didn't you admit defeat sooner then last time against me? Would have saved time.

Anyways That is a seriously good team there.

Olders players are a bit over-rated, well because most have only seen their highlights.

For example RVP won't be rated as highly as some older generation player who probably has similar scoring record at his best.

 

[Cling Bak]

Some very strange choices in this considering what's left, I must say. A lot of names I am not familiar with.

 

[Brwned]

Why didn't you admit defeat sooner then last time against me? Would have saved time.

Anyways That is a seriously good team there.

Olders players are a bit over-rated, well because most have only seen heir highlights.

How can you say they're overrated when you haven't seen them play?

 

[DanNistelrooy]

Why didn't you admit defeat sooner then last time against me? Would have saved time.

Anyways That is a seriously good team there.

Olders players are a bit over-rated, well because most have only seen heir highlights.

Haha I vaguely remember what you are talking about but can't quite put my finger on what happened... Controversial penalty shootout or something??

 

[antohan]

Like the look of EDogen and mightberight from the ones Brwned posted. Dan's put together an excellent team of modern players, it looks as if he's playing in a completely different draft to everyone else. Not sure how the voting will go for him.

For the last time, it doesn't matter! The question is whether the team is more likely to win.

 

[Cold_Boy]

How can you say they're overrated when you haven't seen them play?

Well that is also one way of looking at it but generally its like that.

Its really difficult to compare and vote, this draft.

 

[Brwned]

Was really stuck on who to go for with my last pick, had considered going down the Cutch route of picking two keepers with Mazurka being by backup as I had my eye on Gigi Buffon from the beginning a) I couldn't decide between the two eye-ties in nets and b) picking one of them would rule out Baresi, Scirea & co. as long-term options. Shame.

In the end I couldn't resist another believer of totaalvoetbal - Arie Haan. Most known for two outrageous goals against two of the best keepers the game has seen (Maier and Zoff, 1978 WC) but he was an excellent all-round midfielder with endless stamina. Also played as a centre-half, right back, forward and playmaker at various stages in his career for club and country, but he played in all positions for an extended period and showed his class in each. Haan, Keane and Falcão in midfield - good luck out-running them.

 

[Cling Bak]

How can you say they're overrated when you haven't seen them play?

I understand what he's saying. Lots of these names haven't been witnessed week in, week out. Depending on the reputation of the player, that either works in your favour or doesn't. Picking carefully is important.

That's why I said there's plenty of more obvious names left who are well known (not necessarily still playing) who have been seen by most.

 

[antohan]

Haha I vaguely remember what you are talking about but can't quite put my finger on what happened... Controversial penalty shootout or something??

Not sure, wasn't that the one where Zen actually loaded up an old CM, replicated the two teams, got them to play a friendly several times until they drew and then the in-game penalty shootout sorted it?

That was insane. The exciting bit we were all looking forward to was the webcast of the shootout but when he finally got a draw there was no one on it and we didn't get to see it

 

[Theon]

I understand what he's saying. Lots of these names haven't been witnessed week in, week out. Depending on the reputation of the player, that either works in your favour or doesn't. Picking carefully is important.

That's why I said there's plenty of more obvious names left who are well known (not necessarily still playing) who have been seen by most.

There is, but the nationality rule is an absolute fecker for preventing this. Cantona for example hasn't been picked when he was something like 3rd pick in the 20 Seasons Premiership draft, but picking him here would rule out all French players which is needed for midfield and defence. It's really strange the way this one works, more than anything else you need to plan 5 moves ahead and consider how every choice is going to affect the rest of your picks.

 

[Cling Bak]

There is, but the nationality rule is an absolute fecker for preventing this. Cantona for example hasn't been picked when he was something like 3rd pick in the 20 Seasons Premiership draft, but picking him here would rule out all French players which is needed for midfield and defence.

Sorry, I've just realised there is a one-nation only ruling. That makes a lot more sense!

Still, there is one player in particular who hasn't been picked and by the looks of it could be added to almost every single squad and would change the game, in my opinion.

 

[Brwned]

I understand what he's saying. Lots of these names haven't been witnessed week in, week out. Depending on the reputation of the player, that either works in your favour or doesn't. Picking carefully is important.

That's why I said there's plenty of more obvious names left who are well known (not necessarily still playing) who have been seen by most.

Yeah it's hard to find that balance. I didn't want to pick Buffon for example because the younger crowd will be looking at Buffon in Euro 2012 and judging him on that as if it's representative of his level, rather than his early 00s form, simply because you don't hear people reminiscing about players at their peak until they've retired. Likewise someone like Sárosi or Spencer could be nothing more than a name to 75% of voters, while the other 25% might see Sárosi as the Hungarian Duncan Edwards with that sort of mythical, supernatural ability - it's hard to know. Some of the current players aren't fully appreciated - the likes of Giggs, Zanetti and co. - while some older players are mythologised, finding the right blend makes all the difference. At the end of the day if people aren't prepared to acknowledge the credentials of the all-time Copa Libertadores top scorer then an all-time draft isn't the place for them. I could've picked Shevchenko or van Persie to get guaranteed votes but it would just show a blatant disregard for some of the greatest forwards the game will ever see.

 

[Cling Bak]

Yeah it's hard to find that balance. I didn't want to pick Buffon for example because the younger crowd will be looking at Buffon in Euro 2012 and judging him on that as if it's representative of his level, rather than his early 00s form, because you don't hear people reminiscing about players at their peak until they've retired. Likewise someone like Sárosi or Spencer could be nothing more than a name to 75% of voters, while the other 25% might see Sárosi as the Hungarian Duncan Edwards with that sort of mythical, supernatural ability - it's hard to know. At the end of the day if people aren't prepared to acknowledge the credentials of the all-time Copa Libertadores top scorer then an all-time draft isn't the place for them. I could've picked Shevchenko or van Persie to get guaranteed votes but it would just show a blatant disregard for some of the greatest forwards the game will ever see.

I think Buffon will be rightly regarded as a great pick for being one of the best - if not the best - of a generation.

 

[Brwned]

I think Buffon will be rightly regarded as a great pick for being one of the best - if not the best - of a generation.

And that's the thing, as Gio said Buffon will be seen as being in amongst a group of the best of the last 20 years along with Schmeichel and Kahn. Very few will see him as the best and plenty will see him as behind them both. He won't be seen as a genuine contender for the greatest keeper to play the game on here because of how much more we saw of Schmeichel. Zoff on the other hand is perceived as being not far off the legendary Yashin, and there's few if any contemporaries that can claim to be in that class so comparatively Zoff looks better off. As time goes on Buffon's legend will only grow and he'll rightly be seen as up there with the very best but he's not appreciated as such just yet. There's a chance he'll be seen as being closer to VdS than Schmeichel on here.

 

[antohan]

MJJ picks Jacinto Quincoces

Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti 6. Kocsis 7. Vidic 8. Shesternyov 9. Pirri 10. Czibor 11. Pfaff 12. Ocwirk 13. Costacurta

DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele 6. McGrath 7. Vogts 8. Camacho 9. Seedorf 10. Drogba 11. Cech, 12. Van Persie 13. Yaya

KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved 6. Valderrama 7. Banks 8. Schiaffino 9. Djalma Santos 10. Popluhar 11. Lizarazu 12. Robben 13. Busquets

Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna 6. Bremner 7. Carlos Alberto 8. Blanc 9. Alonso 10. Lahm 11. Preud’Homme 12. Weah 13. Luis Enrique

NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram 6. Tardelli 7. Carvalho 8. Blokhin 9. Rummenigge 10. Cole 11. Zamora 12. Netzer 13. Mc Neill

Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles 6. Tigana 7. Hierro 8. Maier 9. Nilton Santos 10. Shevchenko 11. Kahn 12. Hamrin 13. Eyzaguirre

Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews 6. Brehme 7. Trésor 8. McGrain 9. Spencer 10. Germano 11. Sárosi 12. Mazurkiewicz 13. Haan

MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza 6. Schmeichel 7. Rui Costa 8. Nasazzi 9. Chumpitaz 10. Zebec 11. Monti 12. Suurbier 13. Quincoces

JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam 6. Law 7. Deco 8. Janes 9. Augusto 10. Peters 11. Giles 12. Gamarra

mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi 6. Varela 7. Koeman 8. Marzolini 9. Gerets 10. Kopa 11. Shilton 12. Johnstone

EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario 6. Desailly 7. Dzajic 8. Schnellinger 9. Essien 10. Guardiola 11. Southall 12. Burgnich

Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids 6. Gentile 7. Moreno 8. Nordahl 9. Franklin 10. Jennings 11. Demyanenko 12. Morton

Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry 6. R. Ferdinand 7. Effenberg 8. Vasovic 9. Dasayev 10. Andrade 11. Erico 12. Rivelino

Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic 6. Cafu 7. Kubala 8. Van Nistlerooy 9. Puyol 10. Ayala 11. Montero 12. Happel

Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi 6. Finney 7. Viera 8. Irwin 9. Cabrini 10. Raul 11. Veron 12. Cordoba

paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit 7. Socrates 8. Amoros 9. Schuster 10. Gordillo 11. Beckham 12. Gregg

 

[EDogen]

Not easy this last pick.

 

[Brwned]

Mazurkiewicz
McGrain Germano Trésor Brehme
Keane Falcão
Matthews Di Stéfano Giggs
Spencer

Mazurkiewicz
McGrain Germano Trésor Sárosi Brehme
Haan Keane Falcão
Di Stéfano Spencer

Mazurkiewicz
McGrain Haan Trésor Brehme
Falcão Keane
Matthews Di Stéfano Giggs
Sárosi​

Any suggestions/criticisms/preferences? Too many obscure names in the back 5? Too reliant on a Hungarian and Ecuadorian up top? Too many leaders in each department?

 

[Theon]

Definitely not the middle one!

I like the top one personally, though it all depends how the voters view Spencer.

 

[EDogen]

Well I like Di Stefano behind the striker in a 4-2-3-1.

 

[antohan]

Not easy this last pick.

No, it's not, you suddenly feel like you could do with a couple more

 

[Moby]

Doing that flags graphic is a real pain in these last rounds. You lot haven't spared any corner of the globe to pick players from.

Just to confirm, Kubala would be considered from Hungary, right?

 

[Gio]

Not easy this last pick.

Aye it's a tricky one, covering all bases particularly in terms of potential improvements.