Coal mining is often heavily subsidised by the goverments of those cheap countrys
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Baroness Margaret Thatcher has Passed Away
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Good point. Let's not forget Thatcher also inherited something of a financial windfall with the north sea oil.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...rth-sea-oil-–-failure-invest-britain’s-future
Anyway, it's all Arthur Scargill's fault.
Thinking about it that way it makes sense. Everyone taking a day off work to stand around would have her going berserk!
You said "push on with the status quo", I must have misunderstood you, what did you mean if not MT or no change.
Bold,
This is the surgeons bargain isn't it? If you don't lose the arm you risk dying. Of course when you are the arm, you always want another go with the antibiotics because however well the patient recovers it won't do you any good.
How many years have we subsidised farming and kept out cheaper competitors from our market? How much has supporting the banks cost everyone in the UK? It is either make money or you are finished or it isn't.
I don't really get the point of this? Are you saying we should subsidise the coal industry?
According to the Bank of England study into the crash, the sovereign debt guarantee amounts to a 10 billion a year subsidy for banking.
Are we really equating the banks to coal mining?
Let's let the banks go bust and see what happens.
Let's let the banks go bust and see what happens.
Even farming isn't equivalent, what if the country we buy from suddenly goes to war, suffers from a natural disaster or has an awful season? We all going to sit about eating potatoes with boiled cabbage because of the coal mines.
A few banks seemed to want to put that to the test not so long ago.
Exactly.
I mean, I don't understand people's utter misunderstanding of why the mining industry was fecked off. It's an industry, not a public service, the unions didn't even bother running it as such. Where was the competitive business guile? She went about closing them in a barbaric way and really the wrong way but they needed to go.
Enlighten us as to why it was fecked off!
You do know the risk of not being sold gas from the few countries that have it and can pipe it to you is far greater than being cut off from the world food market.
Excuses, excuses is all I hear, when the pain comes closer to home, you seem far less about the economic principles espoused at the cost of others.
Thatcherism in a nutshell.
Some people seem to think it should of been kept on sustained by the government in here. I'm not a fan of Thatcher but nor do I hate her. She did push the country forward in a way which I doubt many others would of in that time though.
We have ways to create power in this country though. Just not by burning fossil fuels so much.
Pity most of it still comes from coal and gas though.
Yes by subsidised nuclear or renewable energy but you don't do subsidy do you?
Not unless it makes money. Or is actually needed.
Do you seriously think we should subsidy every industry which is failing?
Needed by whom, the important people like you because you can't think the mining communities didn't need the mines?
I think we need an energy policy that works. I also think that those who pontificate about the economic principles which cost millions of other people their jobs, should be prepared to live by those principles when it costs them theirs, or be hypocrites.
Or to quote the phrase that became popular during Maggies tenure 'I'm all right Jack'!
Like me? I probably come from a lesser background than you, you daft git.
This is a pointless argument really, you have just switched to holier than thou mode to make me seem like a bad person. Typical lazy argument by both sides of the political spectrum.
You probably think i'm a conservative too.
I was actually thinking of a family who bought their council house or a citizen in Eastern Europe who felt her contribution to the Cold War was a valuable one, those people can quite independently be thankful for some of her policies. Now this isn't to say that those in a mining community for instance don't have a right to feel aggrieved, and this more for the aftermath [lack of renewal] rather than the initial act
As for subsidies, well there's only so much money to go round. Back then and to a greater degree in the present i don't think coal represented the best of targets for such money.
How much coal do we import these days as a nation?Migave to look that up when i get a spare minute.
For my part i'm not convinced that we shouldn't have let a bank go under as an example to the rest.
That would never be allowed to happen simply because it's a monster we've created, & it's a monster we can't live without, because as a country we have very little to fall back on.
The monster knows this & can do pretty much what it likes, knowing full well we can't afford to let it die.
Reckon we could have let a couple go down.
There will be riots today. That is all.
As far as I'm concerned, out of all three parties; Thatcher, the miners and Arthur Scargill, the only one who benefitted most was that crook Scargill. Living the life of luxury whilst his workers were shivering their testicles off. He is your typical communist type who didn't mind benefitting from the fruits of capitalism, just like those SWP members. They complain about capitalism yet at the same time are quite capable to savour the fruits that come from it.
Just heard Mandelson claiming on radio 4 Thatcher telling him "just remember the Irish are all liars".
Just heard Mandelson claiming on radio 4 Thatcher telling him "just remember the Irish are all liars".
Sums up Thatcher for me. She hadn't a clue on all the important issue of the day ie Ireland,job creation, regional decline, economics,foreign affair,police corruption, justice etc.Just heard Mandelson claiming on radio 4 Thatcher telling him "just remember the Irish are all liars".
Have Posh n' Becks arrived for the funeral yet?
Not so sure about that.
Was that her grand daughter? Kinda faf
If any such person exists they're a complete idiot, but then based on how often the history of the end of the Cold War is utterly misrepresented they probably exist by the thousands.
The bishop asking for compassion
The usual mix of good and bad writing from the former genius Morrissey:
http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_130416_01
That bit where the pall bearers turned the coffin round looked really weird.
£10 million on this absurd ceremony at a time of austerity. Of course it's wrong to celebrate someone dying but what do you expect when public opinion is so blatantly ignored, the anger has to be directed somewhere.
what was tat?
Makes me laugh how a lot of people who are outraged by funeral protests have no qualms in taking this opportunity to re-write history.
Apparently "we are are all Thatcherites now" according to Cameron... fecking A.
Apparently "we are are all Thatcherites now" according to Cameron... fecking A.