he was the one whose scoring was winning us games at the time when RvP couldn't get one to go in, and the one providing the majority of his opportunities when they were going in.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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He'd dead to me now - there's no way back for him, what with him destroying the planet...and in such a sadistically slow manner too!
This was probably the most frustrating thing about the saga to start with. If Rooney throws his strop 18 months earlier, he gets laughed out of the place. If he throws it 18 months later, probably likewise. He clearly saw our transition period as the perfect opportunity to bend us over the barrel.
As I've said before, Rooney is not our best player in any position anymore and as I said with Berbatov when people were saying "he's a great 3rd or 4th choice, lets keep him", you don't pay a substitute a six figure weekly salary... Likewise you don't pay a squad player £250,000 a week.
I'd say next season there will possibly be 4-5 more important players to the team in the squad (De Gea, Carrick, RVP easily, probably Vidic, Evra and maybe a new signing).
Rooney is a very good player, but for the salary he's on (apparently third in World Football behind Eto'o and Ibrahimovich) he's replaceable.
Stretford is a real wanker. But I dont think this whole Rooney saga is down to anyone trying to exploit the situation. I really think it is that Rooney wanted out and asked for a transfer before he even knew SAF was leaving. Im not sure that the fact SAF is leaving gives him any more leverage. The only reason to intentionally time it to coincide like that would be out of spite, and I dont think that is much of a motivation in this instance.
All this business about him wanting to ruin SAF's day is a little far fetched.
All this business about him wanting to ruin SAF's day is a little far fetched.
I think it's been covered but losing Rooney now compared to 2010 just doesn't seem anywhere near as frightening or even disappointing.
Stats aside its not been a vintage season for him and most know it. Many have commented on the fact that he seems to have gone through the motions rather than applying himself 100%. Whether that's because Sir Alex clearly prefers RVP upfront or because he's over utilised Rooney's willingness to 'fill in' elsewhere, we don't know. Something about him in interviews, end of games etc, just doesn't look right.
Madrid may well have been a huge part in any genuine transfer request, but he hasn't had the type of season where he can demand a start in every huge game. A sentiment many fans agree with, hence why the prospect of him leaving just doesn't seem to worry us. His current form and application certainly looks replaceable, whether that's strengthening I'm midfield or upfront is a different question altogether depending on where people see his biggest contribution.
If he stays and Moyes can relight the fire a bit, wonderful. If he's desperate to go, well there's always someone desperate to arrive.
Stats aside its not been a vintage season for him and most know it. Many have commented on the fact that he seems to have gone through the motions rather than applying himself 100%. Whether that's because Sir Alex clearly prefers RVP upfront or because he's over utilised Rooney's willingness to 'fill in' elsewhere, we don't know. Something about him in interviews, end of games etc, just doesn't look right.
Madrid may well have been a huge part in any genuine transfer request, but he hasn't had the type of season where he can demand a start in every huge game. A sentiment many fans agree with, hence why the prospect of him leaving just doesn't seem to worry us. His current form and application certainly looks replaceable, whether that's strengthening I'm midfield or upfront is a different question altogether depending on where people see his biggest contribution.
If he stays and Moyes can relight the fire a bit, wonderful. If he's desperate to go, well there's always someone desperate to arrive.
Regardless of whether he stays or goes he's gonna have a significantly better season next year, it's just up to who he'll be scoring goals for, if anyone thinks Rooney's genuinely "lost it" he or she will eat their words in a couple of months.
He's been averaging 25 goals over the past 4 years so it wouldn't be shocking to do the same for us or someone else next year. The issue is whether he wants to play for us given that he's now at the age where players typically seek the final big, long term lucrative contract of their career and there are probably quite a few suitors out there who would take him.
funny thing about the title....it doesn't actualy say anywhere that Rooney is definitely not playing, again all speculation, but the title says otherwise.
Fine, Im not disagreeing with that, all Im saying is in response to someone claiming it would be a huge mistake to let him go that we could replace what he brings to the team quite happily, if it takes two players.....fine...so? Better that than having a moody disruptive player who wants to be somewhere else, if Indeed he has asked to leave.
I hope he stays and the rumours happen to be bullshit but I'm not too hopeful. It's not the end of the world if we lose him, he's amazing but having Kagawa behind the striker could see us become a different team in terms of playing style which is what I'm excited about.
If he stays brilliant, if he goes he's a bit of a knob for saying he loves the club and wants to retire here but we'll move on to better things hopefully.
Whatever happens the club he goes to next will be getting a genuine world class player who will guarentee you assists and goals as well as being influential in the build up. I just hope it isn't a Prem club.
If he stays brilliant, if he goes he's a bit of a knob for saying he loves the club and wants to retire here but we'll move on to better things hopefully.
Whatever happens the club he goes to next will be getting a genuine world class player who will guarentee you assists and goals as well as being influential in the build up. I just hope it isn't a Prem club.
Surely if he were to leave indefinitely, they wouldn't have him sprawled across Old Trafford like that? Arsenal made sure to remove van Persie from this season's programmes during their final couple of games because they were confident he would be leaving. Perhaps handing him the captaincy would give him a new drive and determination here? Then again, we don't want to keep bending to his will every time he wants to leave.
Get a real CM in the team and play Rooney and RvP up front with both interchanging in the deeper and the leading role and I'm sure he will find his fun playing again.
Just don't switch him around all over the team just because we set on the wrong horses in midfield.
I can understand why he is annoyed to a certain extend.
It also might just be a case of a player wanting to experience something else in his career and Rooney is now in the right age to make a move abroad if he ever wants to do that.
Just don't switch him around all over the team just because we set on the wrong horses in midfield.
I can understand why he is annoyed to a certain extend.
It also might just be a case of a player wanting to experience something else in his career and Rooney is now in the right age to make a move abroad if he ever wants to do that.
I don't think anyone would disagree with selling Rooney, if he really wants to leave but let's not pretend it would be easy to replace him just because he has had an iffy season.
I'm going to state the bleedin' obvious...because it is bleedin' obvious:
He doesn't really want to leave - today we read that 'Rooney has come around to the idea of staying' (how predictable...) - and this all just game-playing by the player & United over a new contract.
He doesn't really want to leave - today we read that 'Rooney has come around to the idea of staying' (how predictable...) - and this all just game-playing by the player & United over a new contract.
Smells very much of Ronaldo's situation at Real Madrid doesn't it? Except his was at the beginning of the season.
My favourite thing about that article is the photo of Michael Owen with the words "Write caption here" underneath it - oddly fitting
Oh HELL NO.
Sparky would have to be put on suicide watch if Rooney was made captain
Weren't most of his sending offs ridiculous?
I want him to stay. I agree its not as desperate as in 2010 when we heavily relied on him, but i think we under estimate how much of an effect losing Gill, Sir Alex, and Rooney in one summer could have. They have been a huge part of the last decade together, and a shake up like that is bound to have some effect.
Of course he doesn't want to leave. Him and his agent are obviously aware that this Summer he either needs to sign a new contract or leave. Now I doubt he wants to leave (where would he go?) but he will obviously want at least the same terms as last time, probably a slight increase.
United would be well within their rights to believe that £250,000 a week no longer represents good value for someone who is no longer as important as they were back in 2010. It wouldn't surprise me if he was either offered a long term deal on reduced terms or a 1 year extension on his current terms. Neither of which may suit Rooney who will inevitably want the long term security and the hefty pay packet. If he rejects I imagine he'll be shipped out.
I imagine a power struggle will occur, but with us having the aces this time.
Making Rooney captain would be something Arsenal would do.Sparky would have to be put on suicide watch if Rooney was made captain
I agree we would cope fine without him. I just like the guy.
1) If you cut him, he bleeds red. That is a very useful trait for a player to have.
2) He is versatile. Assuming he is happy to carry on being versatile, as he has been, and that doesnt make him unhappy and encourage him to look elsewhere.
3) His underwhelming season has, for me, been overblown. He has been good this season, he always is. If and when he is played up front he will score a lot of goals.
4) He is on course to break a load of records. I would like him to stick around and break them.
5) Continuity. A lot of changes this summer, as Roon above me mentioned.
6) Seeing Rooney line up for Chelsea or another PL team against us would be sickening. Come to think of it, it wouldnt be nice being knocked out by Bayern with him in their side either.
1) If you cut him, he bleeds red. That is a very useful trait for a player to have.
2) He is versatile. Assuming he is happy to carry on being versatile, as he has been, and that doesnt make him unhappy and encourage him to look elsewhere.
3) His underwhelming season has, for me, been overblown. He has been good this season, he always is. If and when he is played up front he will score a lot of goals.
4) He is on course to break a load of records. I would like him to stick around and break them.
5) Continuity. A lot of changes this summer, as Roon above me mentioned.
6) Seeing Rooney line up for Chelsea or another PL team against us would be sickening. Come to think of it, it wouldnt be nice being knocked out by Bayern with him in their side either.
I really think it would be the final straw for me, either him or me would have to die!Sparky would have to be put on suicide watch if Rooney was made captain
None of us know how much money Moyes is going to have at this disposal, it may in fct be necessary to sell for quite practical reasons.
How many on this forum would swap Wayne for a guaranteed solution to our long standing midfield woes?
How many on this forum would swap Wayne for a guaranteed solution to our long standing midfield woes?
We're perhaps talking about a player that wants to leave for a second time, and people want him to break the record and be our leading goalscorer. I don't get it how anyone could want that, if he doesn't want to be here.
[Grudgingly raises hand]
Id swap him for a cheeseburger and a caramel frappe right about now.
And a human being in general to be fair.
I was replying to a post lauding him for his professional behaviour compared to Rooney, bare in mind.
He lunged into a challenge in a derby that seen him sent off, unless I've made that up. He did get sent off for a handball years later which was laughable. He headbutted a player against Portsmouth and got a red card, not a full on Zidane style nut but if we're going to start bashing other players for every mistake he's made on the pitch over the years, we can't make him our to be a saint.
This is the sort of crap on redcafe which gives us a bad name and looks fecking RAWKish!!
Pathetic we have to put up with these Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime serially undervaluing our players..... He's worth at least 2 cheeseburgers.
I might but that would also go for a lot of players in our squad, and also says more about our midfield situation than it does about Rooney.
A club of our stature should be able to hold on to our best players and strengthen our weak areas anyway, we've had years to find a solution.
Yes, I was going to put in 7) He is human (as opposed to dancer). But I thought that was basically covered by point number 1.
He shouldnt play central midfielder or left winger unless absolutely necessary because he's average at both. He's basically very good at playing up top and in behind the main striker. But not to the extent that he can't be replaced.
Oh he's no saint, he's petulant and he should probably have been sent off for diving multiple times, but I think the red for the lunge in front of Andy Cole was harsh (and he was very young then), Webb sending him off for stopping the ball with his hands was pathetic, but that's Webb for you. I seem to recall that the "headbutt" was nothing, but I can be wrong. I do think he's clearly more professional than Rooney though.
No other in our squad [bar RVP] carries a similar burden in terms of salary, we're not Chelsea or City as i am sure you are aware.
I guess i just don't think this ends simply because Rooney may have suddenly had a change of heart, the motivations for the club and the player will differ after all.
There is more required from Rooney than ourselves if he wishes to stay, is this an example of that?
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