Well the difference is that Bale wouldn't be competing with 4 World Class left wingers at City in the same way RVP would have had 4 World Class strikers to compete with at City if he moved last summer...so you can't really compare not to mention that City have stated they are going to go ape-shit with spending money this summer
Gareth Bale is...The most expensive player ever?!
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I've heard plenty of people say that RvP is the best in the league. Commentators, professional and ex-professional footballers. There's not much in it though. Mostly a preferred choice than anything else.
I've also heard the same about Mata but not as much.
the goal against villa that secured the title doesnt match bales strikes!? late winners against liverpool, southampton and a last minute winner away at city? scored 7 times against city,chelsea,arsenal,liverpool,tottenham...top scorer comfortably, for the second season in a row and the best player in the best team in the league.
he's just led united to title in a way only cantona and ronaldo can claim to have done.
youre on a wind up.
Bale's form reminds me of Cavani in the last few seasons. Great goal return and some fantastic finishes. Both brilliant players, neither are at or close to BPITW status for me.
There is a danger of seeing Bale repeatedly hitting screamers and assuming that his performances are always fantastic. He is a ridiculously influential player obviously but it's a pet hate of mine that people will see goals, statistics etc and then not actually watch the performance itself. It's a bit of a 'Newspaper Headline' mentality. Bale can genuinely go the whole game doing nothing or playing through it in its entirety in 'me, me, me' mode.
He's obviously easily one of the best players in the league and it's difficult not to rate him, but I just wonder how much of the giddiness is about his actual performances and all round game. As for who is the best, there is pretty much feck all between Bale, Van Persie, Mata and Suarez, and none of them are that close to being as good as Ronaldo or Messi.
He's obviously easily one of the best players in the league and it's difficult not to rate him, but I just wonder how much of the giddiness is about his actual performances and all round game. As for who is the best, there is pretty much feck all between Bale, Van Persie, Mata and Suarez, and none of them are that close to being as good as Ronaldo or Messi.
At the moment he is arguably the best player in the league. He's been undoubtedly brilliant this season. Some of the detractors of him here are giving poor reasoning too.
I don't get the mid-table argument that was made about the pressure of playing for a smaller club. Spurs may not be a title winning side but they are top 4 competitors and are still a major side. Plus, doesn't a player get better when he moves to a bigger club as well? He gets more opportunities. He'll then score more goals and probably more assists too. He'll be around better players. You can say that in a team of better players Bale won't get the ball as often, but that's not really true. We're a team who have traditionally been very reliant on wingers so he'd see plenty of the ball. Considering his quality, a team who didn't give the ball to a player like Bale regularly would be under-using him.
I don't get the mid-table argument that was made about the pressure of playing for a smaller club. Spurs may not be a title winning side but they are top 4 competitors and are still a major side. Plus, doesn't a player get better when he moves to a bigger club as well? He gets more opportunities. He'll then score more goals and probably more assists too. He'll be around better players. You can say that in a team of better players Bale won't get the ball as often, but that's not really true. We're a team who have traditionally been very reliant on wingers so he'd see plenty of the ball. Considering his quality, a team who didn't give the ball to a player like Bale regularly would be under-using him.
They are very different players.
Do you think he will stay at Spurs or leave?
What position is he playing nowadays? Sky had him down as an attacking central midfielder behind the strikers before the match. I always thought he was more of a winger but haven't seen too much of him recently
No he's not.
He is very very good though. Have to admit, he's gone on to prove a lot of us (including myself) wrong and become a wonderful player.
He is very very good though. Have to admit, he's gone on to prove a lot of us (including myself) wrong and become a wonderful player.
Ronaldo used to have the most shots in the league. And in europe. And for his country in international competitionsSuarez has the most shots in the league. Bale is second
Would you say bale is very creative in his current role? Either he creates more than them and scores less or he defends well or is the creative hub of the team, neither of which I see as true. He's right now playing in a role set up for him to affect the scoreline, much like Ronaldo. He's basically a forward with freedom to roam and should be judged as such. It's definitely not like Ronaldo in 06/07 who was out side scoring lots and destroying defenders.
By the way Ronaldo averages nearly 7 shots a game this season. Bale 5. I dont even know that thats the highest Ronaldo has had before, but its been consistant since he was here that he always has the most shots
This wouldn't have been worth a new thread but seeing as it's alastair, whose opinions are more important than ours, we should let it slide.
That Ronaldo was clearly superior to this Bale, agreed. The likeness between the seasons is that they both mark the first season in which the two players have become absolutely top drawer, but they're very different players. Ronaldo, despite not really being a playmaker, had a constant impact on games with his dribbling and had more of an impact when he wasn't scoring. He must've been absolutely terrifying to play against. The way Bale plays, he would've had to have had a season like Ronaldo's 07/08 to rival that.
I'd have Mata, Carrick and Van Persie above Bale this season for starters.
Second, those people comparing him to Ronaldo are mental. Before he turned into a freak scorer, he was comfortable as a scorer or assister. His 06/07 season blows Bale's season out of the water. How many goals does Bale have? 20 something? That's too small to cover up for his deficiencies elsewhere.
Second, those people comparing him to Ronaldo are mental. Before he turned into a freak scorer, he was comfortable as a scorer or assister. His 06/07 season blows Bale's season out of the water. How many goals does Bale have? 20 something? That's too small to cover up for his deficiencies elsewhere.
Have to agree.
If we sell Rooney (which looks inevitable) then Bale has to be our number one target and we should be willing to fork out £50+ for him I reckon. Can see us not getting him, but even with Levy not wanting to sell I think now that they haven't qualified for the Champions League Bale will want out.
If we sell Rooney (which looks inevitable) then Bale has to be our number one target and we should be willing to fork out £50+ for him I reckon. Can see us not getting him, but even with Levy not wanting to sell I think now that they haven't qualified for the Champions League Bale will want out.
That's precisely my point. My comparison wasn't about quality. Ronaldo is miles and miles ahead. But bale is effectively a final third player now. I don't think he's creative at all. So he must be compared to the likes of Rvp and Suarez and mata in numbers too. Unless people think he's some sort of great creative source that the play goes through.
Maybe the best striker of the ball in the world, he's got a tremendous shot from range. Not the best in the league though, and nowhere near top 3 in the world. Van persie, mata Suarez are all better in the league (Rooney on top form as well). People tend to forget that bale is as much of a winger these days as van persie is. He plays behind the striker usually so his goal tally isn't amazing. His build up play isn't something to be amazed about either, like Mata's. Pretty much the only things he has on Suarez and van persie is shooting from range (marginal over rvp) and his pace. He's had a fantastic season, yes, but there's a ridiculous amount of overrating going on here.
Mata has 20 goals and 35 assists (
) this season
Van persie has 30 goals and 9 assists
Suarez has 30 goals and 11 assists
Bale has 25 goals and 10 assists.
Puts it into perspective.
Mata has 20 goals and 35 assists (
) this seasonVan persie has 30 goals and 9 assists
Suarez has 30 goals and 11 assists
Bale has 25 goals and 10 assists.
Puts it into perspective.
You mean that season Ronaldo didn't score 20 goals? You're comparing that to the season where Bale score over 20 goals. I would probably say Bale has been at least as good as Ronaldo was that season.
He's certainly the king of the long range spectacular winner. I think he still needs to develop his link up play but lets not forget he's only 23. Tremendous player
Mata's stats are incredible.Maybe the best striker of the ball in the world, he's got a tremendous shot from range. Not the best in the league though, and nowhere near top 3 in the world. Van persie, mata Suarez are all better in the league (Rooney on top form as well). People tend to forget that bale is as much of a winger these days as van persie is. He plays behind the striker usually so his goal tally isn't amazing. His build up play isn't something to be amazed about either, like Mata's. Pretty much the only things he has on Suarez and van persie is shooting from range (marginal over rvp) and his pace. He's had a fantastic season, yes, but there's a ridiculous amount of overrating going on here.
Mata has 20 goals and 35 assists (
Van persie has 30 goals and 9 assists
Suarez has 30 goals and 11 assists
Bale has 25 goals and 10 assists.
Puts it into perspective.
He hasn't
I think Bale is the best player in the league.
He is simply the most dangerous player atm.
He is simply the most dangerous player atm.
Also Bale played on the right wing today, for those saying he isn't a winger. Although he was interchanging with Lennon and virtually had a free role.
wow mataMaybe the best striker of the ball in the world, he's got a tremendous shot from range. Not the best in the league though, and nowhere near top 3 in the world. Van persie, mata Suarez are all better in the league (Rooney on top form as well). People tend to forget that bale is as much of a winger these days as van persie is. He plays behind the striker usually so his goal tally isn't amazing. His build up play isn't something to be amazed about either, like Mata's. Pretty much the only things he has on Suarez and van persie is shooting from range (marginal over rvp) and his pace. He's had a fantastic season, yes, but there's a ridiculous amount of overrating going on here.
Mata has 20 goals and 35 assists (
Van persie has 30 goals and 9 assists
Suarez has 30 goals and 11 assists
Bale has 25 goals and 10 assists.
Puts it into perspective.
How many of Mata's assists are from corners?
It's still hugely impressive, and he is an excellent corner taker, but Chelsea must put a lot of practice in when it comes to corners which must be inflating his stats to some extent.
Also Mata played a bizzilion games. In the PL:
Mata 11 goals 18 assists, 29 total.
Bale 21 goals, 9 assists, 30 total.
It's still hugely impressive, and he is an excellent corner taker, but Chelsea must put a lot of practice in when it comes to corners which must be inflating his stats to some extent.
Also Mata played a bizzilion games. In the PL:
Mata 11 goals 18 assists, 29 total.
Bale 21 goals, 9 assists, 30 total.
The goal today was ridiculous, however he could so much better if he would learn to release the ball from time to time.It would add some unpredictability to his already impressive skill set
Most of RvP's (and a few of Rooney's as well) assists would be set pieces too.
Spectacular and big pressure games? City were already done when he scored against them, Liverpool was away at the start of the season. Lyon I'll give him. Inter are bollocks this season.He's only scored against United, City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Lyon and Inter this season, 6 of the best 7 teams he'll have faced all season. It's not really fair to expect him to produce every game but he almost always does.
Mata is good no doubt but when throwing assist stats about you have to take into consideration the quality of the players being provided with chances. Bale's stats would look a lot better if he was playing with players like Hazard, Oscar, Lampard, Ba and Torres.
Disagree with the second part too, who's the natural scorer in the Chelsea team? Torres? Bale just shoots when he gets the ball, he'll never be anywhere near as creative as Mata.
You got those stats from wikipedia right? For some reason wikipedia are claiming he has 35 assists. Yet most other places don't have him anywhere near that number? And most others claim he has 12 in the league, not 17? Who's right and who's wrong?Maybe the best striker of the ball in the world, he's got a tremendous shot from range. Not the best in the league though, and nowhere near top 3 in the world. Van persie, mata Suarez are all better in the league (Rooney on top form as well). People tend to forget that bale is as much of a winger these days as van persie is. He plays behind the striker usually so his goal tally isn't amazing. His build up play isn't something to be amazed about either, like Mata's. Pretty much the only things he has on Suarez and van persie is shooting from range (marginal over rvp) and his pace. He's had a fantastic season, yes, but there's a ridiculous amount of overrating going on here.
Mata has 20 goals and 35 assists (
Van persie has 30 goals and 9 assists
Suarez has 30 goals and 11 assists
Bale has 25 goals and 10 assists.
Puts it into perspective.
Edit: The 'Juan Mata Stats' twitter account also has him down as 12 in the league, so seems wiki are talking shite and also not 35 assists overall.
Mata is a wonderful footballer, i'd have him number one myself
rvp and suarez have been just as good as bale this year imo
if bale carries on like this though, the skys the limit
rvp and suarez have been just as good as bale this year imo
if bale carries on like this though, the skys the limit
Most impressive part of that goal today was the timing, again. It's the last minute of the season and he knows his team have to win to stand any chance, he's not to know Arsenal are winning anyway. To have the confidence to take on a shot like that is remarkable, if it goes miles over you look an idiot and you've probably wasted 1 min. He's so confident in his ability its scary. And despite after another ref again booking him for being fouled.
Break the bank for him, I don't care if we don't need him particularly. We didn't particularly need RVP, but some players you've just got to sign.
Strange, breakdown of where they all came from?
I've just checked three places and none of them have those numbers down. whoscored have less than that, the office Juan Mata twitter stats has him at less, ESPN have him at less. feck knows.
Mata for me.
I just checked soccernet and they have him with 20 goals and 29 assists, which is also different from the transfermarkt site (17 goals and 34 assists). Whatever is the actual amount, it is around 20 goals and 30 assists in all competitions, which whatever way you look at it is fantastic.
Bollocks. Ronaldo's general play was outstanding that season. Had like 17 assists as well.
Strange, the German version of transfermarkt shows only 51 games for Bale in the 12/13 season.
His assists
PL:
1 (T : QPR)
2 (ManUtd : T)
1 (T : Liverpool)
2 (Liverpool : T)
1 (Swansea : T)
1 (T : ManCity)
1 (Wigan : T)
World Cup Qualification:
1 (Wales : Scotland)
EL
2 (Tottenham : Malibor)
1 (Tottenham : Inter)
FA Cup
2 (Tottenham : Coventry)
1 (Leeds : Tottenham)
International fixtures
1 (Wales : Austria)
His assists
PL:
1 (T : QPR)
2 (ManUtd : T)
1 (T : Liverpool)
2 (Liverpool : T)
1 (Swansea : T)
1 (T : ManCity)
1 (Wigan : T)
World Cup Qualification:
1 (Wales : Scotland)
EL
2 (Tottenham : Malibor)
1 (Tottenham : Inter)
FA Cup
2 (Tottenham : Coventry)
1 (Leeds : Tottenham)
International fixtures
1 (Wales : Austria)
There is basically nothing between Ronaldo then and Ronaldo now. I am amazed that people have forgotten how good he was back then - his season was just as good as the one that followed and probably similar in quality to any of Henry's. It was breathtaking; Scholes, Giggs, Vidic and Ferdinand all had amazing seasons but Ronaldo was a clear step above all of them. Bale has not been at that level.