Larnell Cole

I don't think he will turn out anything like Ramires!

Is he not set to develop into an Andres Iniesta-type player?

His technical ability and awareness are what stands out, am I right?

Yep, Larnell Cole will develop into a much more creative player than Ramires is but wont have as much defensive solidity.

His positions are as an attacking midfielder on either flank or behind the striker. He may one day play in a deeper role in midfield but that wont be for a long time yet.
 
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Larnell Cole absent from ‪#MUTour‬ due to a slight injury

Sad as he most probably would've been in the starting lineup for the team.
 
Yep, Larnell Cole will develop into a much more creative player than Ramires is but wont have as much defensive solidity.

His positions are as an attacking midfielder on either flank or behind the striker. He may one day play in a deeper role in midfield but that wont be for a long time yet.

I see the comparison because of his stature and pace. Ramires has a good touch as well, if Cole can become a more creative Ramires then he will be some player.
 
ESPN have him as 188, Wiki as 181, sky as 185.
 
Yeah, I seem to remember about 20 pages of a debate about how tall he and De Gea were. Well, let's not get into that. Who knows if Ramires is really 5'11", that's just wiki.

Regardless, Cole is Messi sized and Ramires isn't.
 
I see the comparison because of his stature and pace. Ramires has a good touch as well, if Cole can become a more creative Ramires then he will be some player.

Yeh of course if Cole becomes anywhere near the player Ramires is he will have a good career.

I just see Cole as someone who's attacking qualities are best deployed further up the pitch whereas Ramires is one of the most versatile midfielders in the league who can perform roles with more defensive responsibility than Larnell most likely ever will. Cole will be a player who creates more chances and scores more goals. I see Cole as more of an attacking midfielder whereas Ramires, whilst still being able to play that role, is more box to box.
 
Has been playing for the U21's quite regularly this season.
 
Ah.. I havent seen the U21s that much this season. Surprised he hasnt gone out on loan.
 
The U21's haven't played a match for a while now. Wonder what the team is doing ?

And as for Cole, he hasn't progressed that well this season and almost stagnated at that level. Dunno, why he hasn't gone out though. Maybe Size could be a issue ? As we maybe worried he won't get a chance right now due to that.
 
Well, this season he's leading the reserves in appearances and starts, so that's a good thing. However, from what I've seen his production hasn't been as good as last season. Not really sure what that's about.
 
I'm not entirely sure that the management team know where best to go with his development. He lacks the physical presence for a 2 man central midfield, and lacks the pace for a winger even though he has a fantastic cross and passing range.

He is also not suited to a lower league loan as he'd get bullied off it all over the place. Same situation with Jesse Lingard really.

He almost needs a loan abroad to a less physically demanding league.
 
Not sure playing with U21's for the rest of the season will help him much. Might as well send him to Antwerp, if we can't find another good loan.
 
I don't think there can be any doubt, Larnell Cole more than anyone else won us the Cup with his offense in the last two games. It has really been a quiet season for him overall, at least compared to last season where he was obviously one of the standout attackers.

However he has managed to lead the team in appearances (36) from gate to gate, and also creep up the goal charts (14) to lead us for the season. His 5 assists trails only Josh King (9), Jesse Lingard (8) and Adnan Januzaj (6).

In the first half of the season he was more of a creator, making 4 goals and scoring 4 in 19 appearances. In 17 second half appearances he only made 1 goal, yet he was our most prolific scorer with 10, including 5 in the semi-final and final.

The good work of King and Macheda in the first half of the season over-shadowed Cole's contribution, as did Januzaj somewhat in the second half, but overall he's been our most productive attacker, and none the worse for ending things so well!
 
Somehow Larnell needs to get first team football. We can see that on a big pitch like Old Trafford he is very effective. The problem is finding a team that suits him. Not many "smaller" sides play with the same wide open spaces as United. Give him the space and he could be very effective for someone.
 
Larnell's problem has always been his height/strength..or lack of it. He's always been very good technically and an intelligent player, he just has no physical presence at all.
 
He seems to play well when he's given that free role to roam about and play one twos.
 
I think he's definitely put on some muscle this season. If you see him now he's got a decent build. Stature is something else entirely but it hasn't stopped other players making it. Both he and Lingard desperately need to find the right club to get the experience as both are excellent footballers. Not saying that they will make it at United but they are very very talented and should have premiership careers... if they can get some teams to take a punt on them and ignore the size issues.
 
Larnell's problem has always been his height/strength..or lack of it. He's always been very good technically and an intelligent player, he just has no physical presence at all.

Look at Raheem Sterling and Coutinho.

I think there is a little bit of a shift starting that the smaller and more technical players can find a little niche if they work hard. I would love to see him get a loan next season and play a proper full season.

Skill on the ball is going to boom I think in the next few years and athletic ability is going to be eclipsed.
 
Look at Raheem Sterling and Coutinho.

They are both small yes but Cole is even smaller and hasn't gained the the upper body strength that they have yet. I'm not saying you have to be big and strong to make it but you absolutely do have to have some degree of strength and physical presence in order to impose yourself on and off the ball. Every player in every top league in the world will need this, even more so in England.

Cole and Lingard are both late developers physically but over the last year or so they have both started to get bigger. By the end of next season they will both be bigger and stronger than they currently are. However the fact they have been so slow developers physically and lightweight has been the reason they have been unable to go on loan and gain first team football. Who would take them? In the championship they would get swallowed up.

We saw that with Lingard at Leicester. He was clever on the ball but couldn't get into games because he was far too weak. Until recently Cole was even weaker.
 
I can almost guarantee one of the first things Moyes will do is ask the staff who the stand-out youngsters are in the U21's. He has already expressed a desire to bring through our youngsters.
 
I'm with Ghaliboy on that one. Don't think either Sterling or Coutinho has much more, physically, than Cole. Nor does Oscar at Chelsea - one of the most lightweight players I've ever seen, and he's done just fine.

You're right about the Championship though, Skeppy. The answer is probably either to take a serious plunge on him in the first team, with a couple of decent opportunities (not half-arsed COC ties next to Fletcher and Bebe), or to give him another season with the U21s.
 
Actually, I've argued against this a little bit sometimes. Sterling faded and Coutinho as well gets pushed off the ball quite regularly but still does quite well.
 
What I like about him is the fact he comes good a lot in big games, think Liverpool this season, and last, city last season, and spurs the other day.
 
The thing is Coutinho is easily a better player than both of them. That's the difference. Sterling is probably more talented also.

But the point stands, no? We shouldn't expect Cole to be as good as Premier League starters yet, but they show that lightweight players can now prosper if they have the talent to back it up. Whether he does indeed have that talent is something we'll find out when he gets his chances.
 
But the point stands, no? We shouldn't expect Cole to be as good as Premier League starters yet, but they show that lightweight players can now prosper if they have the talent to back it up. Whether he does indeed have that talent is something we'll find out when he gets his chances.

Some of these lads are the same age though. Call them early bloomers, or whatever, but I think they're just better. Lingard isn't exactly small. I like having them both about because they're two of our better u21 players. But, for their sake, they need a permanent step up soon. Whether that happens here though, I'm not sure.
 
Some of these lads are the same age though. Call them early bloomers, or whatever, but I think they're just better. Lingard isn't exactly small. I like having them both about because they're two of our better u21 players. But, for their sake, they need a permanent step up soon. Whether that happens here though, I'm not sure.

It's a fair point. Personally, I've never thought that Lingard had quite enough. He's very talented, but he's been showing the same level consistently for a while and I don't think he'll be United standard.

But Cole doesn't seem anywhere close to levelling off yet. He's getting better all the time. I don't think Sterling is much better, really - he just got an opportunity which United youngsters don't get, because 'Pool's squad is so shit by comparison. Coutinho, similarly, has had opportunities in the first team of big sides since a very young age (and is also more than a year older). Until you actually let Cole play first team football, it's unfair to assume that he wouldn't be as good at it as these lads.
 
If ever a wide player had a chance to move into the first team, this next season is it. Nani, Young and Valencia all had poor seasons, and Giggs will be another year older. I'd love to see Cole and Lingard given some serious game time to see if they can make the step up.
 
Honestly hasnt impressed me wide, but looks a threat in the middle with some fantastic feet and good control. Far too early to compare him to Sterling when he hasnt played a single first team game but his future looks bright based on the last couple of months
 
It's a fair point. Personally, I've never thought that Lingard had quite enough. He's very talented, but he's been showing the same level consistently for a while and I don't think he'll be United standard.

But Cole doesn't seem anywhere close to levelling off yet. He's getting better all the time. I don't think Sterling is much better, really - he just got an opportunity which United youngsters don't get, because 'Pool's squad is so shit by comparison. Coutinho, similarly, has had opportunities in the first team of big sides since a very young age (and is also more than a year older). Until you actually let Cole play first team football, it's unfair to assume that he wouldn't be as good at it as these lads.

I hate to write off our youngsters, especially two talented players like these, but I just don't think they have enough. It's fair enough saying they deserve a shot before being compared to people like Coutinho, but Coutinho is doing things in the Premiership that these lads aren't even doing in the u21s. There's nothing to suggest they'd do better at a higher level.

Cole is easy to get carried away about because he's got nice feet and is tidy. But he doesn't offer a lot defensively and he never really dominates the midfield at that level. In fact, we often have to play him out wide.
 
I hate to write off our youngsters, especially two talented players like these, but I just don't think they have enough. It's fair enough saying they deserve a shot before being compared to people like Coutinho, but Coutinho is doing things in the Premiership that these lads aren't even doing in the u21s. There's nothing to suggest they'd do better at a higher level.

Cole is easy to get carried away about because he's got nice feet and is tidy. But he doesn't offer a lot defensively and he never really dominates the midfield at that level. In fact, we often have to play him out wide.

Have you not noticed over the past couple of months how he's shifted inside and he's really improved.
 
Have you not noticed over the past couple of months how he's shifted inside and he's really improved.

I don't think he has improved, overall. The majority of this season he's been below par by his standards, but he's finally found his best form. Obviously he's scored a few goals too, but I don't think that will be a consistent facet of his game, more a bit of a purple patch.
 
It's a fair point. Personally, I've never thought that Lingard had quite enough. He's very talented, but he's been showing the same level consistently for a while and I don't think he'll be United standard.

But Cole doesn't seem anywhere close to levelling off yet. He's getting better all the time.
I don't think Sterling is much better, really - he just got an opportunity which United youngsters don't get, because 'Pool's squad is so shit by comparison. Coutinho, similarly, has had opportunities in the first team of big sides since a very young age (and is also more than a year older). Until you actually let Cole play first team football, it's unfair to assume that he wouldn't be as good at it as these lads.

I don't agree with that at all. If anything, Cole's the one who has looked like stagnating this season. A few good games at the end doesn't change the fact that it's been a mediocre season for him. Jesse, on the other hand, has taken his game to another level in terms of consistency. Granted, he's looked a bit tired for about a month or so, but prior to that he was one of our best players in every game he played.
 
I don't agree with that at all. If anything, Cole's the one who has looked like stagnating this season. A few good games at the end doesn't change the fact that it's been a mediocre season for him. Jesse, on the other hand, has taken his game to another level in terms of consistency. Granted, he's looked a bit tired for about a month or so, but prior to that he was one of our best players in every game he played.

Totally agree
 
I hate to write off our youngsters, especially two talented players like these, but I just don't think they have enough. It's fair enough saying they deserve a shot before being compared to people like Coutinho, but Coutinho is doing things in the Premiership that these lads aren't even doing in the u21s. There's nothing to suggest they'd do better at a higher level.

Cole is easy to get carried away about because he's got nice feet and is tidy. But he doesn't offer a lot defensively and he never really dominates the midfield at that level. In fact, we often have to play him out wide.

Bollocks seems you love doing this, sure it was you saying how shit Amos was on Monday?