Dodged a bullet!
Thiago Alcantara at Bayern
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Yeah so did I.
I doubt that he had a shot at the first XI at the world cup anyway, at least not without a major injury crisis.
The good thing for him is, that the Bundesliga has a 4 week winter break with another training camp in January, usually after that everything can change again. That helps players a lot who come back from injuries and struggle to find their place in the team during the season.
If he did(he still could, anything is possible) eventually end up as being regular in Bayern's first XI with Bayern having good season, I think he would get few chances in games before the Brazil to prove himself in their NT too. I know del Bosque rarely changes his first XI anyway, but Thiago would have strong case for sure.
JaysusCall me fecknut but this news gave me a warm and pleasing feeling.
A transfer to Atletico Madrid is hardly the end of the footballing world man.
It's not the first XI he should be worried about, more like being part of the squad for Brazil.
Moyes, Woodward and Fergie as the three witches from Macbeth. Photoshop.
A bit of bitterness in here lads.
I still hope we will get him at some point.
I still hope we will get him at some point.
Moyes knew.
I think more than us, it will be the Barca fans feeling good about this!
Never rated him a lot
This isn't cool.
Some real cnuts in this thread.
Cue the "God, we're only joking
" brigade.
Cue the "God, we're only joking
" brigade.zup zup zup SAY NADA
United's spin on Thiago.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...nited-ander-herrera-transfer-farce?CMP=twt_gu
If this is true then Moyes is truly blind to quality.
I said before that Moyes was sticking too much in his comfort zone by going for Fellaini and Baines when he has to step outside it and aim higher at United and now it emerges that: "the truth is actually that Moyes decided he was not entirely comfortable going for the Barcelona player. United had been monitoring him for three years and effectively lined up the transfer..."
I find that really disappointing.
I'm already irritable, this has topped it off.
I find that really disappointing.
I'm already irritable, this has topped it off.
Yeah if this is true Moyes deciding he knows better than Sir Alex is extremely annoying, extremely annoying, I refuse to believe this it annoys me too much.
It sounds like either Thiago or Herrera, both gettable players during this summer, would have definitely added creativity to our midfield we don't currently have through the centre. If Moyes wasn't interested in Thiago at all because it wasn't what he was looking for, it doesn't spell success for the future of our style of play, that's for sure. Most teams would kill to have a player like Thiago in their squad for £18 million, just like the current best team in the world has done. To not even be interested is, well, extremely worrying.
It was suggested when Fergie retired that a more high profile manager would have a better knowledge of the European market and the level we of players we should be looking, but it was brushed off by the top reds on here. Great to know our choice of manager steered us away from landing a world class midfield talent, really positive stuff.
Tbf if its true its a bit annoying but we've missed out on lots of other players who went on to become top players or were clearly top players. For example why weren't we in for Yaya Toure? Good price, wages are high but he's definitely worth being a top earner. I guess we have to hope that it was Moyes not wanting to take a punt on a pure unknown to him and not doing enough about united's scouts to know how much he trusted them.
Moyes has signed most his players at Everton from abroad I think so I don't think there will be an issue there.
That isn't a positive spin on the situation at all.
This part really surprises me - "he did not want to take someone else's word about a player he had seen infrequently."
This isnt really a criticism of Moyes, but I'm very surprised he hasn't seen a lot of Thiago. You would think a football manager would have enough interest in the game to watch Barcelona the odd time.
This part really surprises me - "he did not want to take someone else's word about a player he had seen infrequently."
This isnt really a criticism of Moyes, but I'm very surprised he hasn't seen a lot of Thiago. You would think a football manager would have enough interest in the game to watch Barcelona the odd time.
It's not that surprising. He will have watched him, of course. But he won't have extensively scouted him as there was no chance Everton could have got him.
It's hard to believe isn't it?
Early in the window weren't there rumours Moyes had scouted him at Everton?
Also you'd think we would have plenty of videos and reports on Thiago.
This is the one I struggle to understand.
Fergie's refusal to sign a central midfielder was frustrating everyone - you wont catch many people defending him on that. I doubt though the club ever went through the trouble to line up a transfer of a world class talent in the one area we were aiming to improve, at a very cheap price only for him to say "you know what, I don't really know much about him..."
Who is talking about extensively scouting, read the quote - "a player he had seen infrequently"
I don't even think you need to extensively scout someone like Thiago anyway, and I don't even know what it would entail. Is watching the games not 'scouting' him?
Basically what I'm saying is that I assumed as a football man Moyes would be watching Barcelona quite frequently, enough to get an idea on Thiago. Its not a criticism that he doesn't, but I am surprised.
Hope it's bollocks. Not interested in Thiago or Ozil and not willing to pay the money for Herrera. Yet bidding for Khedira and trying for a past-it Sneijder? Could well just be the press making up or exaggerating stuff. We're easy pickings at the moment. It was also pretty strange we didn't enquire about Isco earlier on in the window when he's clearly going to be world class.
Well we don't know how "lined up" it was, it could be purely we opted out of getting in to a fight for his signature with Bayern, which we may not have fancied anyway cause of his connection with Pep, both personally and through his agent becuase Moyes didn't know much about him, which is not that unfair given he would have no reason to need to know him as he would have been complete ungettable whilst he was at Everton. Plus it was a bit awkward it was sorted so early in the window, had it have come along in a few months maybe Moyes would have had time to assess him personally.
Oh and the press are saying we didn't bid for Thiago because moyes likes to extensively scout his targets etc, and yet they are also saying we made last minute attempts to sign Sneijder and Khedira, which seems strange if moyes like to extensively scout his targets...
Any quotes to go with that (regarding Thiago)? Seems sound enough logic on the surface of things, but how hard could it really have been to get a decent enough idea of what Thiago is about in this day and age? Our scouts will already know what he's about, games will be easy to get hold of, he's excelled at several international tournaments for the Spain youth teams and he had already amassed an impressive amount of appearances for the team with the best midfield on the planet.
Won't be drawn into sharpening knives over it but it's a little frustrating if true. If we'd have applied that logic across the board we really would've been left with only a handful of viable options.
Won't be drawn into sharpening knives over it but it's a little frustrating if true. If we'd have applied that logic across the board we really would've been left with only a handful of viable options.
I'm not particularly in love with the idea we've given up on the player, but I can understand why. That's the risk you take when you're taking a manager who has to make a step up. I've no issues with Moyes for not having in depth knowledge of players at the highest level (he wasn't going to get them) or for wanting to follow and learn players before getting them (even if Sir Alex says you should buy them).
It's a learning curve and we have to accept it. I just hope it's quick enough to set us far better in January or at least next summer.
It's a learning curve and we have to accept it. I just hope it's quick enough to set us far better in January or at least next summer.
Moyes should have said that we didnt need him and thats fine.
We needed Fellaini, not Thiago.
Thiago was probably part of a plan from Fergie to replace Rooney... with him staying, no need for him.
As for Herrera? a pretty expensive player for what he does. He is just a very good player to keep the ball moving. nothing special.
Our Cleverley is much more suited for us than him.
We needed Fellaini, not Thiago.
Thiago was probably part of a plan from Fergie to replace Rooney... with him staying, no need for him.
As for Herrera? a pretty expensive player for what he does. He is just a very good player to keep the ball moving. nothing special.
Our Cleverley is much more suited for us than him.
Unbelievable.
What a shit Summer.
What a shit Summer.
Not sure if serious?Moyes should have said that we didnt need him and thats fine.
We needed Fellaini, not Thiago.
Thiago was probably part of a plan from Fergie to replace Rooney... with him staying, no need for him.
As for Herrera? a pretty expensive player for what he does. He is just a very good player to keep the ball moving. nothing special.
Our Cleverley is much more suited for us than him.
Extensively scouting is basically what the player is like off the pitch, how's he like in training etc. Like before this summer the manager of the best/2nd best team in Iceland was talking with another dude about his latest transfers, he had recently purchased a left back from another team in the league, and he mentioned that he knew that he was prone to a drink midweek but he was just that much better that any other left back available that he saw past it.
Now a club like Manchester United very rarely signs someone that has any kind of professional issues. Rooney's been a bit of a hassle, nothing that could be foreseen though. Tevez was a menace but mostly the players have been utter professionals and problem free and that was because of SAF's policy. Moyes seems to have a similar one. I don't mind it but it does get very frustrating from time to time.
We had been scouting Thiago for three years! did we burn everything before Moyes arrived?
And pep seemingly ignored all of this off-field issues? The guy is said to be extremely strict about player behavior off the pitch so doubt he would have signed thiago if he had such problems. Have no idea whatsoever why united would release a statement like this, so we wont sign one of the best young midfielders in the world just because our manager hasnt seen enough of him.
Where did I say that Thiago had any problems? I was only going on about extensive scouting. It was said that Moyes hadn't done so and thus was that the likely reason that he didn't go for Thiago. It makes sense. Managers are more often than not burnt by bringing in players that they hadn't personally vouch for. He's the boss after all and he's responsible.And pep seemingly ignored all of this off-field issues? The guy is said to be extremely strict about player behavior off the pitch so doubt he would have signed thiago if he had such problems. Have no idea whatsoever why united would release a statement like this, so we wont sign one of the best young midfielders in the world just because our manager hasnt seen enough of him.
I get that he wouldn't buy him because he hadn't seen enough of him. I don't get why he hasn't seen enough of him.
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