There's a red card in this game.
Manchester United vs. Liverpool
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He's been better than Carrick, rvp, mata, adnan, rooney
From a neutral - I fully agree with what they have said so far
Except for Rafael - I did feel he was trying to get his arm out the way - maybe
I'll let you know what my nephew says in his post-match email.
The handball rule baffles me.
If you give a penalty, the handball has to be deliberate, does it not? By deliberate, the rule actually means that the player has to have ample opportunity to evade contact with the ball or to not place his hand in an odd position.
Deliberate handball is punishable with a yellow card, which surely means Rafael should be off?
For what it's worth, it struck me as being a moment of panic and it wasn't really intentional in a cynical way so I'm glad it was just a penalty and a ticking off. Clattenburg got it right in terms of common sense but I'm not sure he actually followed the rules.
If you give a penalty, the handball has to be deliberate, does it not? By deliberate, the rule actually means that the player has to have ample opportunity to evade contact with the ball or to not place his hand in an odd position.
Deliberate handball is punishable with a yellow card, which surely means Rafael should be off?
For what it's worth, it struck me as being a moment of panic and it wasn't really intentional in a cynical way so I'm glad it was just a penalty and a ticking off. Clattenburg got it right in terms of common sense but I'm not sure he actually followed the rules.
Whole thing is shockingly predictable....It's embarrassing really.
Can't motivate his players against Liverpool...Too many players hiding.
Can't motivate his players against Liverpool...Too many players hiding.
Your stream just caught up has it?
If you see it this way then I'm not really going to try to change your opinion, as I see it, it's the fear of taking the responsibility from our players which occurs not just when we're at the 'shooting' matter.
Sorry but bollocks. It was a blatantly deliberate handball.
It's probably the first time I'd have to say he's genuinely being let down by his team...well primarily that front four. If it isn't miscontrol it's taking an age to pass or not pass at all, if it's not standing still it's being brushed off the ball.
Liverpool's back four isn't even good! They win games because of their attack and intensity in midfield but we've not played with the tempo to test their back four and that is the problem. Moyes has sent his best eleven out and is clearly telling players to bomb on forward when possible but they're simply not.
He needs replacing in the summer. He's been poor all season and at 33 isn't going to suddenly get better either.
Ignore @KiD MoYeS, he's just a part-time paddy.
They are about as one sided as the game to be fair.
Literally no point trying to discuss anything with people like you who can't look past their own agenda.
Absolute bollocks. It's a deliberate handball. Rafael knows exactly what he's doing there.
Seriously? He was sliding at pace and can't stop tackling!
That was a penalty, no two ways about it.
So you;re looking forward to Liverpool walloping us in the 2nd half? OK
About a minute after taking out Gerrard and getting booked.
Totally hyperbolic.
Its time to drop RVP.
He's been our best player. Make of that what you will.
And the huge one for Allen.
Still, they're simply a better team than us.
It won't cut it to choose 11 players, throw them on to the field and say "play football". But you might as well do judging by how we're playing this season.
Honestly I'm not even disappointed today.
my white text is blended within that post.Like feck they did. Both of them were tough chances, it'd have been a pretty good goal if they managed to score from that. RVP had a very similar chance to Sturridge actually when Rafael found him in the box.
Who do you think Gerrard will tell Clattenburg to give it to this time?
Glad I got rid of Sky sports recently and rely on streams now going by the comments on here about the scouse love in.Need a spark in the second half we're miles better than that first half showing.
I have to agree. Doesnt mean he was.good.enough though.
An agenda that is based on the facts I am watching on the pitch. He. Can't. Run.
He has been more involved than most of the rest of your team.
It's a match day thread and we are losing, people get twitchy and emotional.
But Liverpool are a good example of our major problems this season. They have a decent group of players with a couple of top class ones but they have structure and a playing style suited to the strengths of the team. We have better players but thats it.
No they showed the situation in the half time show.
Yes I think so. Personally I'd advocate bringing Welbeck on to play on the left, Januzaj right, and Mata central behind Rooney.
We should compete better in the middle with Mata, as Rooney has been too high in the 1st half, Welbeck's defensive work would help us on the left where we've looked most vulnerable to overloads, and his pace in behind would also give us a counter-attacking threat we don't currently possess.
I've clearly got a different definition of dominating than some people. Dominating is what happened in the first leg of the 2008 Champions League semi where Barca had like 70 per cent possession against us and we left Ronnie up top and hoped a long ball would find him. Liverpool are not dominating us. De Gea isnt making save after save. Liverpool got lucky. Simple as.
Fellaini has been a mixed bag. He's easily the most clumsy central midfielder I can remember us playing. He's also had a few moments of usefulness with a couple of tackles and competing in the air. He's had enough good moments not to be one of our worst players, but enough bad moments (including the chance of giving away a penalty) that hes not one of our best players
Probably.
But they've looked like a much better team. The league standings are reflected by what we've seen today.
If you were inspired by that performance and the manager then all the power to you, and I'll have what you're having.
Can't single him out today. He has been ineffective and useless like the rest. No more no less.
That's definitely not the problem though. Have you not been watching some of the tackling going on?
Is Kagawa on the bench?
...and Gerrard should have got a straight red.
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