Well yes, exactly - that's the point. I think that way.
You think the other way. I don't call you pathetic and spoilt for that
You cannot name call others and diss them as inferior in the same sentence
Anyway whatever floats your boat
Moyes So Far!
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You think the other way. I don't call you pathetic and spoilt for that
You cannot name call others and diss them as inferior in the same sentence
Anyway whatever floats your boat
I would have thought it is easier to sack a football manager here than a NFL coach, all the other staff involved with that coach. If they are out of it there isn't much point in changing until close season.
Also you have to remember there is no threat of relegation, so if you stink, you may as well stink the whole season.
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Sadly I don't think we will get rid this season and I am convinced there aren't any CL related clauses in his contract. We wouldn't have given him a 6 year deal in the first place if we were smart enough to include clauses. Then a 3 year deal plus CL related clauses would have been fine. Sadly we messed up everything when it came to appointing Moyes, which tells me the CL clauses won't be an exception to that, we messed up with them as well.
Unfortunately I think we will give him money to spend and then get rid after a few months of the new season (because I am willing to bet my house on our results and performances not improving under Moyes irrespective of who we sign).
Unfortunately I think we will give him money to spend and then get rid after a few months of the new season (because I am willing to bet my house on our results and performances not improving under Moyes irrespective of who we sign).
You're taking my words out of context.
The circle jerk is pathetic. Numbers have nothing to do with that, 10 pages in a day when absolutely nothing happened is ridiculous, however you spin it.
As for me participating in one? Just no, in the last 24 hours I've praised posts from the Moyes out camp and also said some of the points being brought forward from the supporters were ridiculous. I do not have a problem with people wanting Moyes out at all, look at my reactions to Steve and Canto's posts.
As for spoilt, I'm a spoilt fan too. We all are.
You're right, sooner the better, so we can sack him and get someone a lot better.
We cannot ignore how fickle football clubs and their owners are. Didn't Poyet find out he was sacked by Brighton while he was on TV? And of course there is the dreaded vote of confidence from upstairs. So it's hard to believe anything.
All those names sound great, but how many will want to work under the Clueless one after taking the champions to 7th this season, with no Champions League? Or not go to our rivals instead? Wishful thinking.
we might get Shaw. We won't get any of the others.
When Moyes says he's surprised at how many top names want to play for us, he's probably slightly overlooking that they're saying the same to all the top teams, and will just use us for better deals.
That's true to a point. It's still not unheard of to fire coaches during an NFL season. Another complication is that the NFL requires teams to interview minority candidates when completing a search for replacement head coaches-so it is harder to fire a coach mid-season in the NFL than in the EPL. Given that Moyes brought in his own guys though-it would be difficult to keep his guys around if we sacked Moyes during the season. That may also have affected the decision to keep Moyes through the end of the season.
We don't know what's happening, of course-but the fact that Moyes hasn't been sacked yet doesn't necessarily mean the Glazers aren't going to sack him after season's end.
If this thread bothers you so much, perhaps ignoring it would be prudent
The majority posting here do not think it is ridiculous, just like you think supporting Moyes is not ridiculous
Both valid opinions till we see a definite result either way i.e. him succeeding or getting sacked at some point in time
Till then can we not keep our cool instead of getting all worked up - not good for the blood pressure you know
Sorry RD, that's pretty poor journalism I don't even know where to begin.
Point 1 - Januzaj was always going to make it
Point 3 - Juan Mata, while an excellent player wasn't the player we needed. Nor does it look like Moyes knows how to use him.
Point 4 - He's buggered up the Kagawa issue, not 'solved' it.
Point 5 - Anderson was always on his way out. Conversely, Moyes seems to have a hardon for Ashley Young for whatever reason.
Point 10 - This has nothing to do with United! The article's titled 10 things Moyes has got right at United and it mentions the solid foundation he left behind at Everton
Oh ESPN..
poor Moyes...needs some support...even if it is ESPN
EDIT: I want to wait and see what players we do get. I think we will get into Europa Cup...unfortunately. I'm willing to give him one more season...as will the Glazers.
If we do not get the title after spunking all the millions...think he will be kicked out.
EDIT: I want to wait and see what players we do get. I think we will get into Europa Cup...unfortunately. I'm willing to give him one more season...as will the Glazers.
If we do not get the title after spunking all the millions...think he will be kicked out.
Baines interview
"The two managers are totally different, in every way," he explains. "They both have things they are really good at but with the current manager, he's ultra-positive. He takes the positive from every single scenario.
"That's been the big thing for me: the difference in the style of play, committing to that and not feeling like we have to adapt to the opposition. The new manager has that confidence and belief in himself, in his own blueprint. And then in us. He tells us we're not going to change, we're just going to improve constantly and keep practising until we get to the level where we want to be. Stick to it, don't compromise, get better at it.
"He also spoke about the Champions League from the start. He didn't shy away from it. He came in and straight away he set the bar high. We might have got away with a fairly ordinary season – the changeover with the new manager, the first season, a transitional season – but he didn't want to accept that. He wanted to improve on what we'd done before, and we've done that."
Reading between the lines: Moyes is a negative feckwit who plays down expectations, not very confident and too worried about what the opposition might do instead of the other way around.
Martinez walks in demanding the players to improve from last season
Moyes walks in stating that the team isn't good enough to win the champions league and we'll have to expect a transitional period.
"The two managers are totally different, in every way," he explains. "They both have things they are really good at but with the current manager, he's ultra-positive. He takes the positive from every single scenario.
"That's been the big thing for me: the difference in the style of play, committing to that and not feeling like we have to adapt to the opposition. The new manager has that confidence and belief in himself, in his own blueprint. And then in us. He tells us we're not going to change, we're just going to improve constantly and keep practising until we get to the level where we want to be. Stick to it, don't compromise, get better at it.
"He also spoke about the Champions League from the start. He didn't shy away from it. He came in and straight away he set the bar high. We might have got away with a fairly ordinary season – the changeover with the new manager, the first season, a transitional season – but he didn't want to accept that. He wanted to improve on what we'd done before, and we've done that."
Reading between the lines: Moyes is a negative feckwit who plays down expectations, not very confident and too worried about what the opposition might do instead of the other way around.
Martinez walks in demanding the players to improve from last season
Moyes walks in stating that the team isn't good enough to win the champions league and we'll have to expect a transitional period.
At least they interview people, which more than we did.
I'm not worked up mate, I know I have a blunt posting style but I promise it's nothing personal, I frequently give off the wrong impression accidentally and it's due to my exaggerating sense of humour.
That is worrying and depressing reading.
Sorry RD, that's pretty poor journalism I don't even know where to begin.
Point 1 - Januzaj was always going to make it
Point 3 - Juan Mata, while an excellent player wasn't the player we needed. Nor does it look like Moyes knows how to use him.
Point 4 - He's buggered up the Kagawa issue, not 'solved' it.
Point 5 - Anderson was always on his way out. Conversely, Moyes seems to have a hardon for Ashley Young for whatever reason.
Point 10 - This has nothing to do with United! The article's titled 10 things Moyes has got right at United and it mentions the solid foundation he left behind at Everton
Oh ESPN..
exactly what I thought. Basically finding reasons for the sake of it. Point 10 says it all.What i hate about Liverpools impending title win is I am sure the excuse generating man we have as a manager will use that as proof as why HE deserves more time
Terrible article. Number 10 is leaving an Everton legacy, because somehow what he did at his previous club is something he's done right here.
Number 8 basically is giving him credit for failing to get every half-decent transfer target he pursued in the summer. He failed to do what he was supposed to do, but it's okay, because he tried to make transfers, you know, that thing every football manager does. If we're going to praise him for that, number 11 might as well be 'He turns up for games' or 'He goes to training'.
Number 8 basically is giving him credit for failing to get every half-decent transfer target he pursued in the summer. He failed to do what he was supposed to do, but it's okay, because he tried to make transfers, you know, that thing every football manager does. If we're going to praise him for that, number 11 might as well be 'He turns up for games' or 'He goes to training'.
Interesting, he's the third everton player to say the exact same thing.
I remember watching a documentary of utd looking at the 99 season and a year or so after that. I think it was Ole that said one thing SAF always did was make you realise your own strentghts. He never talked about the opposition, he talked about what you were good at and to concentrate on that.
Looking at our ridiculously low confidence and composure on the pitch you can see that philosophy in action
He'll say their squad is better than our as well.
I can just imagine he has been drilling into them how bad they are at some things not the other way round. No wonder their confidence is low.
do you lads think the Glazers will dump Moyes and go for Martinez in 2015?
But neither of the Sirs are on the board, 12 people are on the board 6 are glazers.
And what good is it going to achieve coming on here and moaning about it, have some positivity on the matter you sound spoilt.
Are you qualified to judge a professional on which methods they decide to use to complete their job? Im betting no you are not so give the man some time. Maybe the wholesalers closed early before he had the chance to get the right type paint and he had to rush to B&Q to buy some of their own brand emulsion which isn't working out like he had hoped. Maybe your walls were old and falling apart, maybe your previous painter was the best ever and could paper over the cracks its totally unfair to expect the new man to be as good right away, but the new painter is an honest hardworking chap who immediately identified your walls were not stable you had damp problems at the bottom and the whole house needs rebuilt from the ground up, did you consider any of these mitigating circumstances?
No you probably didn't because you're impatient and people teasing you on facebook about being homeless is affecting your objectivity.
Ok your home is destroyed and you are on the street but give it time, have some patience what he was trying to achieve might not be clear yet, he might be working behind the scenes to improve your house and if, and i must stress if however unlikely it may be everything hes working on pays off boy are you in for a treat. You could be the owner of a house with brand new strong walls and a home that could be habitable for the next 10-20 years.
Ok you could have got a flavour of the month painter in who would have painted your walls while not making your home uninhabitable and you wouldn't have to live under a bridge for a few months, that might have been ok in the short term, but then what you have to hire another painter 3-4 years down the line? No you must suck it up and think long term.
I know it doesn't make any sense logically but have some faith im sure if you just give the man more time everything will work out just fine somehow.
That's a pretty damning interview. Doesn't sound like a guy set on becoming a United player in the summer.
It's been such an unbelievably poor season, and on the face of it only one thing's changed - the big, obvious one.
That's why people are hysterical.
I couldn't in my wildest dreams have imagined that the season would've played out like this.
This is why Everton players will run through a brick wall for him, the same with Liverpool players. Our players must be thinking why the hell should I give my all for you. I'm crap according to you.
If United lose and Arsenal win I think 4th is mathematically impossible therefore if such a performance related clause exists, it should be activated allowing United to terminate the contract by mutual consent for reduced compensation.
That said, Glazer's will probably have the option to wait until the end of season and will do, they will act after they have conducted a thorough review.
I also want United to win, we need 5th so hopefully we beat Everton! If we end up sixth then we have to play Europa from the first week back into the premier league.
That said, Glazer's will probably have the option to wait until the end of season and will do, they will act after they have conducted a thorough review.
I also want United to win, we need 5th so hopefully we beat Everton! If we end up sixth then we have to play Europa from the first week back into the premier league.
People laughed at PhaseofPlay from RAWK when he made the prediction of the Evertonization of United last Summer, guess who's laughing now.
I thought even an average manager would have got us 3rd behind Chelsea and City, even allowing for Liverpool's huge improvement, there should have been no way to finish outside the too 4, Moyes found a way.
Relax. We'll finish 7th
I honestly don't care about the Europa, but I don't think a win now will change his fate, so we might as well win.
Pity we didn't employ an average manager.People laughed at PhaseofPlay from RAWK when he made the prediction of the Evertonization of United last Summer, guess who's laughing now.
I thought even an average manager would have got us 3rd behind Chelsea and City, even allowing for Liverpool's huge improvement, there should have been no way to finish outside the too 4, Moyes found a way.
The thing is, it's all very well to have your own style of play but there are plenty of managers who are tactically reactive to the opponent. Idealists like Martinez inevitably get found out. Even the very best idealists like Guardiola at Barca or Sacchi or Cryuff have had their teams burn out or their ideas fail them. Look at Mourinho, he's always looking to adapt to his opponents strengths and nullify them. SAF did the same especially in Europe, really SAF is the ultimate in tactical realism, playing with defenders in midfield for example, he had no problem with that. As with everything, there's a balance to be struck if you want prolonged success.
Indeed, we got an inept one instead...
I couldn't care less about the Europa League myself. Is it the case that we might have to start playing EL games during the first week or so of the new season?
Sky showed him getting off the bus just now and he was booed quite heavily by Everton fans.
Tad harsh.
Tad harsh.
He had a proper grin on his face though.
I actually hope it has made him really angry and he picks a side to beat Everton.He had a proper grin on his face though.
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