I know there are many on here who didn't want Moyes in the first place...but when it happened, did any of you think it would get this bad in terms of how far we have fallen and our abject style of play?
Moyes So Far!
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He's a nice bloke.... nice bloke my arse
Management involves more than just putting the pieces on the board in the correct (or more correct) order. A manager has to instruct a team how to play. Individually they're all brilliant but it won't work without guidance unless they're all telepathic and can read the minds and intentions of others. A player needs to know that X will be available on the left because the manager has told them to be or that Y must sit back under instruction so he can feel more secure about venturing forward or that another player will be making runs at the opposition number 4, so he knows when and where to try and play the early ball at times.
You don't just put the best players you have out on the pitch with pre-match instruction of "Go". We are predictable as every team knows that defending deep completely nullifies everything we do. I don't think there's a single time this season where 'pack the box' hasn't worked for opposition. Everton were decisive and well-rehearsed going forward and tight at the back. That's the key to beating us this season, that's why we're predictable.
Well, with nothing to play for and players worried about injuries before the world cup and the others half way to their summer holidays, I just don't think we can expect great games from now on. In fact I fully expect us to lose a couple more. I reckon the players can't wait for that final whistle of the season.
Anyone with a quarter of a working brain can pick our strongest Eleven
I can pick Barcelona strongest XI, Madrid's, Dortmund, etc
It's how you make them click that matters
I know, it was just wishful thinking! I've been saying the same final line for the last two months. I think that it's fair to say that I've officially lost faith in him.
Right, but then shouldn't the criticism be exactly what you just described, instead of the 'Errr well... he didn't pick Danny Welbeck!'
For some reason..and I'm not sure why, yesterday's result really really got to me. And watching Moyes afterwards almost get tongue tied with trying to find something positive out of what is a bloody awful disaster made me really dislike him and want him as far away from this club as we can throw him...
You would never have guessed this from just how discrepant the usual formation suggestions are here on the forum.
And it's a load of old bollocks anyway. You and most people on here will never be in a position to pick our best eleven, regardless of who the manager is. You don't see these players in training for one thing, nor are you privy to the assessment of their physical and medical condition.
The only thing I'm saying is- since everyone and their dogs have been crying for certain players to appear in the starting eleven, perhaps now would be the time to express some satisfaction with the fact that they did. Mix it up with the usual moaning if such is your wont, but do it nevertheless.
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I've never argued for him to pick Danny Welbeck
Management involves more than putting players in a nice formation like FM, if that's all that's required, I could do a better job than Moyes and I'd accept a fraction of his salary.
Na...He will stabilize us at around 50 points from next season onwards.
Team is playing without confidence, without motivation or passion. The team walks into the big games apparently expecting defeat. I'm not sure how much of that is directly Moyes fault, but it's up to him to fix it and he isn't doing it. There comes a point where you need to accept that he may not do it. I think that time has come and sooner rather than later we need a change now.
Moyes is out of his depth now and unfortunately it's clear for everyone to see. I backed him like we all should have - he is the manager of our club and Ferguson picked him. That was enough, for me at least, to back him. But week by week that support gets tested and I think it's broken now. Time to leave. And the perfect time is now because then the new man can judge our squad and pick his targets.
Moyes is out of his depth now and unfortunately it's clear for everyone to see. I backed him like we all should have - he is the manager of our club and Ferguson picked him. That was enough, for me at least, to back him. But week by week that support gets tested and I think it's broken now. Time to leave. And the perfect time is now because then the new man can judge our squad and pick his targets.
That is one of the reasons I got rid of it. None of the pundits can say anything negative. It's Happy Happy MUTV.
Part of the rebuilding process. 5 year plan to get into the Europa league.
I know why it got to you. Probably same reasons as for me. I know we have had a lot of moments where we think we are turning the corner. But this one was genuinely different. That and it's Moyes' old club. It's the last "theoretically hard" game in our season. And we flopped. A win would have given such a big platform. Such a boost. Instead, I think it's the end of Moyes career at United. Well, more that it should be. Unfortunately I can't see him being sacked.
David May deserves more support than David Moyes. David May has actually won things with United.
Yeah, I'm not talking about you specifically, but that's what some people did say.I've never argued for him to pick Danny Welbeck
I'm at a stage now where the ends justifies the means. I'd be quite happy to see us grind a tumescent 0-0 draw out of our next couple of games. I see no advantage in winning. I see no reason why anything should happen to make it look as if the current regime is finding a corner to turn around. I want the manager removed more than I want to finish this season with a couple of wins and a Europa League place.
Too much moonwalk makes your brain works backward.
I don't get fecking pay hundred of thousands per week, he does.
And so.. he's smarter than an average football fans like me.... doh?
Yet Danny would have put some pace in that side yesterday.I've never argued for him to pick Danny Welbeck
Maybe I was just making a general point. I think our biggest problem was not dealing with their full-backs. It's any wonder Moyes doesn't know his best team yet when the two players he managed for years completely slipped his mind. We played two inside wide players leaving acres of space, a RB not used to that position and played (maybe under obligation if Evra was injured) Buttner at left back. As a combination vs the best FB 'pairing' in the league, it was ridiculous.
If there was one man you'd expect to identify and deal with the Baines and Coleman threat, it's Moyes. But nope.
Daily Mail
Well I agree wholeheartedly. It would be facile to think otherwise. However, since selection and style of play are the visible part of the ice berg for us fans, we tend to overemphasize those things. Therefore, since he finally got that bit 'right' or at least in accordance with the caf expert consensus, shouldn't he get an iota of...well credit, if praise is too much to muster considering we lost and all.
Daily Mail have jumped the gun on Maysie there, he didn't say that. He did look as if he was going to say something but Rosenthal cut him off.
Fair play to Maysie, one of the only ones on the channel who wears his heart on his sleeve.
Fair play to Maysie, one of the only ones on the channel who wears his heart on his sleeve.
I think yesterday was very credible evidence as to ineptitude of Moyes's tactical nous. Especially considering he knows the opposition players supposedly like the back of his hand. Very worrying...
David May has actually won things, full stop.
Was it 0 shots on goals last nite?
Might as well have been. We were a shambles.
I was hoping to wake up to some rumours about the board thinking about sacking him at the end of the season.
Alas, no.
Alas, no.
Somebody who was watching it yesterday picked up on this, so they aren't fibbing. I used to have MUTV, it is typical of them. They should do the team talks as they are far more positive than the manager.
9 shots apparently, but I'm buggered if I remember more than 2. I think the statistics people are being generous and counting the ball being the the vicinity of the opposition area for a couple of seconds as a shot
Think it'd be 1. Rooney's attempt. The header too if it was from Smalling.
Jim Rosenthal has actually been a pain in the arse since he has been on the phone ins. He is always stopping people telling the truth and he cuts people off.
We managed less than 5 shots on Target against Liverpool, City, and Everton
Credit for what? And that is with a team that consists Rooney, RvP, Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj. Even a pub club will take a long shot pun once in a while.
Should have scored two IIRC, Evans header near the end of the first half and Rooney's brainfart near the end.
We managed 1 when Rooney went through and drew a save from Howard, quite a special performance, Gareth Barry managed to create the same amount of chances for United as United did.
I think he is a goner. People talk about SAF and whatnot, but can you imagine the Glazers spending anything close to 200m on players. So many rumors about players not happy with the club, if he has lost the dressing room, surely it is over for him.
Replacing a manger will cost a lot less than replacing more than half the squad. I can't see how the Glazers would do something so unGlazer like and go for the much costlier option.
Replacing a manger will cost a lot less than replacing more than half the squad. I can't see how the Glazers would do something so unGlazer like and go for the much costlier option.
The good thing about MUTV censorship is that it clearly is instructed by someone, somewhere, aware of it.
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