Carvalho, Shaw etc? Will the manager still be the one to sign the players or have these deals been carried out by someone else?
Where does this leave our transfer targets?
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I'd imagine if we'd made any deals we'd have a an agreement to cancel them in case of a management change, especially as some papers said the decision that he was going to be sacked was made in February.
No idea, but it could be another messy summer. We needed a head start ideally, making signings before the World Cup begins. I can't see that happening anymore. New manager will have their own targets so we'll be back at square one pretty much.
I'm a Carvalho fan boy now 
We can still sign the players and give them to the new manager to work with them, no?
At their old clubs.
Pretty sure the deals will be on stand by, and the new manager will have to confirm YES/NO. Just because Moyes has gone does not mean it's all gone to pot.
I'm a Carvalho fan boy now
As long as he has pace around him in the form of fullbacks and attacking wide men (not necessarily wingers) and a dynamic midfielder next to him. I really don't want to see him slotted into the type of static side we had on Sunday though.
Purgatory.
Hopefully it leaves it all on hold so that the New manager whoever that may be can bring in his own targets that fit his style rather than working with somebody elses team and tactics
If anything i belive sacking Moyes is a serious.boost.in getting them
Don't think it will change anything. One thing Moyes was correct with was the areas he wanted to spruce up and the quality we're after. The next manager will have the same conclusion.
The deal will be on stand by im sure of that, but it depends if the new manager who is coming in would want him that's the question. Will the new manager risk paying over 30m for a player who hasnt proven in elite football? I havent seen him play so i cant judge but the new manager will look the price tag and think "is this guy worth the money? i dont want another over paid flop...".
So its going to interesting to see how new manager sort things out. Hopefully who ever it is come into the job ASAP at the end of the season, cant afford another manager coming into the job late again and playing catch up.
So its going to interesting to see how new manager sort things out. Hopefully who ever it is come into the job ASAP at the end of the season, cant afford another manager coming into the job late again and playing catch up.
We wont be signing any Everton players anyway, phew. Also, after Zaha's season I reckon the new guy will be picking the targets. Waste of 12 million
Will Fergie sign players? Atleast some of the basic obvious needs like a leftback? I still dont believe he would sign a mdifielder though.
If the targets are world class player, I dont see why a new manager will make any difference.
The new manager will always want the best.
The new manager will always want the best.
I'm sure the club had already been making these plans. Maybe the timing has something to do with us categorically being out of the top 4 race after the defeat to Everton and there may have been a clause in his contract. Regardless, I'm sure the club is pressing on with transfers targets, especially if van Gaal will steps in but only joins up in July.
I don't think players will be put off by us changing managers and our need for certain players is fairly obvious.
I don't think players will be put off by us changing managers and our need for certain players is fairly obvious.
thats still my main worry with van gaal - if he does not arrive till after the world cup then we might have to hold off on deals till then which would leave us not much time - still Id rather have a few weeks of van gaal than a whole summer of moyes... and if it was any of the other names (klopp simeone giggs or somehow if we could get pep!) then there should be no reason we cant get them straight in - you would hope woodward learned his lesson last summer and will want to get things sorted ASAP this year
That is what is being reported, no cl football is a 1 year pay off rather than the 5 years.
Otherwise for me the logical time for him to go was when we were out of the CL as it was at that point we could not win anything and it seemed virtually certain that we couldnt qualify for the cl but I guess they had to wait till it was mathematically impossible to trigger the clause
This tells me Moyes never really wouldn't have had that much importance regarding the possible transfers made this summer anyway.
I am quite sure Fergie, Gill and Woodward will take care of that, I wouldn't worry toi much about that.
Just do what City and Chelsea did last summer and have deals lined up.
I think any chance we would have had signing Kroos and Reus have been dealt a massive blow now that we don't have Moyes.
Phil Jagielka and Leon Osman will cry themselves to sleep tonight, that's for sure.
Anyone know if Van Haal and Kroos were close at Bayern?
I really hope that we dont lose out on Carvalho because of this. He is going to be some player
Top managers would have opinions on who United need. Top managers have scouting lists, contacts and an incredible depth of knowledge of the game and its players. The only reason why last summer was a cock (together with Woodward's appointment) was that Moyes didn't have any of the above criteria so needed to spend the first summer getting to know everyone, learning how the chair swivelled, awing at the training facilities. Heck, he probably was still wandering around with is autograph book and pen by Christmas.
I don't foresee this having any adverse affect on our transfer activity at all.
I don't foresee this having any adverse affect on our transfer activity at all.
Anyone know if Van Haal and Kroos were close at Bayern?
Not particularly. Kroos was sent away on loan to Leverkusen during van Gaal's first season (Klinsmann's decision in 08/09), but the Dutchman wanted to make him the heir to Mark van Bommel in 10/11. However Kroos was always a Heynckes student.
In general, assuming Luis van Gaal becomes the next Manchester United coach, the management better ask his opinion before finalizing summer transfers. LvG was very pissed about some of Bayern München's 2009 summer signings, because both Gomez and Tymoshchuk didn't suit his idea of football at all. Players who cost the club € 45m.
What if he says "no thanks, I'd like to see what I'm working with first"? I can't take another season of a manager needing to see how bad Young is with his own eyes.
Generally, I think we could sign the likes of Shaw and Carvalho with fair confidence that the new manager will appreciate their talents.
If it's Van Gaal though then we better check with him. The man has opinions.
If it's Van Gaal though then we better check with him. The man has opinions.
Ok, cheers for the insight mate.
By the sounds of it he'd walk in on his first day and make Shaw cry by telling him he has a girls haircut.
Those clubs have directors of football that pick the players. We don't
Anyone with access to a TV set has surely seen enough evidence of this themselves over the last few years.
back to square one I would imagine depending on who we get in...every top manager has ideas. Plus of course any new manager is going to have to analyse the players he has. It's going to be kind of like starting all over again, although I would be amazed if we suffered the same transfer debacle as we did last summer.
The new manager can make some calls even before he comes at office. I don't think that there were done deals anyway.
I am not warmed to the Carvalgo 'deal'. 35m for a guy who has only 2 appearances for Portugal. I dunno, it might work but a big risk.
I am not warmed to the Carvalgo 'deal'. 35m for a guy who has only 2 appearances for Portugal. I dunno, it might work but a big risk.
I have to admit not following that story at all, was the Carvalho signing really happening ?
If we bring in one of the top managers we are being linked with I imagine they will want to choose their own players, but their opinions may well line up with some of the targets we have reportedly been prepping.
I think so. And i´m almost certain it was a Moyes target. You don´t scout a player 17 times, if you don´t have an interest in him. I think the chances of this transfer actually happening have been reduced drastically. Like i said in the Carvalho thread, a new manager will come with new ideas and his own transfer targets. But if you already have the transfer wrapped up and with some kind of end of season agreement, don´t really know what will happen and the potencial terms of the deal after a Manager gets sacked.
Its Woodward that dealt with these clubs I'm sure. I hope the Carvalho deal is tied up. Of all the players mentioned..he sounds like the one we must have.