Suarez bites | "sorry for falling into him and biting him and that"

[Cina]

Would you call someone with Tourette's syndrome "scum" for continuously swearing in public?
What good does a lengthy ban do to solve the problem when it's actually a condition that needs treatment?

Questions you guys might want to consider before screaming for more punishment. Two lengthy bans in the past did nothing to solve the issue.

I'd maybe feel a little sorrier for him if he wasn't also a proven racist.

 

[coolredwine]

I read the disciplinary code and I'm not sure. They can perform sanctions in FIFA-organised competitions, but they cannot perform them in competitions organised by associations unless they deemed the association did it wrong (i.e. refusing to sanction a player for racism - FIFA can intervene). A ban can only have worldwide effect if requested by associations (think along the lines of doping or corruption) and FIFA agrees.

If it is possible for the FA to sanction Bitey more ("bringing the game into disrepute"), then that sanction would still be followed if he leaves for, say, La Liga (the same reason why Barton was banned for a number of games after moving to France on loan).

I think he'll get something like 6 games suspended in FIFA competitions and a large fine. Liverpool will internally discipline him and make him go for some form of psychological evaluation. The FA will try to push for something but I don't think they will get to sanction him further, although if Suárez is stupid enough to bite someone again in an English competition, they will cite this World Cup incident in their ruling.

Surely this is "bringing the game into disrepute"?

Anyway, I hope the media do their job for once!

 

[Revan]

Would you call someone with Tourette's syndrome "scum" for continuously swearing in public?
What good does a lengthy ban do to solve the problem when it's actually a condition that needs treatment?

Questions you guys might want to consider before screaming for more punishment. Two lengthy bans in the past did nothing to solve the issue.

The last big ban solved a lot of issues. He behaved like a very good guy for a year, but now he has become the idiot again. An another lengthy ban is neccesary, but obviously he should also get some help.

Summit's idea for a suspended lifetime ban sounds spot on.

 

[B20]

But you see none of these are relevant at all, because none of these players repeated the despicable act 3 times, along with other equally if not worse despicable acts (such as racism).

Of course it's relevant. And yes, third time obviously means a harsher punishment.

 

[B20]

feck me, you're even crying and snitching about Evra making all this up back then.

You have been posting here for a long time, you should deep down there knows that we're not over the top with all this, considering this is a United Forum I think we have been very sensible towards the whole thing.

it's just that bad that you just have to admit something has to be done

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Sky1981]

Would you call someone with Tourette's syndrome "scum" for continuously swearing in public?
What good does a lengthy ban do to solve the problem when it's actually a condition that needs treatment?

Questions you guys might want to consider before screaming for more punishment. Two lengthy bans in the past did nothing to solve the issue.

3 post?

So... if you got caught raping twice, heck, give him a virgin and let him rape again.

What a twisted sick logic of yours.

Ban or Psychiatric ward. You just can't escape without punishment

 

[Lewy89]

I dont think FIFA have the power to ban him domestically as well. I'm torn on this, I'm probably in the category thinking we should sell him, Liverpool have always had other players step up, owen after fowler, torres after owen, suarez after torres, so im not worried about that. It's up to the club, as long as we dont start making excuses for him I'm not bothered what happens either way, I'd actually like to hear the club condemning him publically

 

[Rafateria]

I read the disciplinary code and I'm not sure. They can perform sanctions in FIFA-organised competitions, but they cannot perform them in competitions organised by associations unless they deemed the association did it wrong (i.e. refusing to sanction a player for racism - FIFA can intervene). A ban can only have worldwide effect if requested by associations (think along the lines of doping or corruption) and FIFA agrees

Yep. This is what I said in #1065 above.

 

[vibe]

Would you call someone with Tourette's syndrome "scum" for continuously swearing in public?

Gosh, no! That would be inconsiderate of me.
But I also wouldn't let him play football on live fecking television in front of thousands of fans until he gets said treatment.

So you're very spot on. Don't give Suarez a ban, he has a serious problem! Lock him up in a psych ward instead.

 

[Someone]

Would you call someone with Tourette's syndrome "scum" for continuously swearing in public?
What good does a lengthy ban do to solve the problem when it's actually a condition that needs treatment?

Questions you guys might want to consider before screaming for more punishment. Two lengthy bans in the past did nothing to solve the issue.

True, but this could lead to a complete ban from the sport, i don't recall any incidents where fifa required a Psychological evaluation for a footballer before.

 

[B20]

He should be forced to do counseling.

I was actually thinking that this might be a worthwhile response from the club.

 

[Shark]

The last big ban solved a lot of issues. He behaved like a very good guy for a year, but now he has become the idiot again. An another lengthy ban is neccesary, but obviously he should also get some help.

Summit's idea for a suspended lifetime ban sounds spot on.

The changed man act only came about because Liverpool had a fairly smooth sailing season. The real Suarez comes out when he's frustrated. He's never stopped being an idiot.

 

[The Devil you Know]

Not sure why Uruguay can't be thrown out completely, although Columbia look like they should beat them even with Suarez playing.

If some sort of mental illness is causing him to do this he should not be playing Football.

He's wired to be a psycho and needs banning for life.

 

[B20]

I finally found out why he did it.

 

[B20]

Not sure why Uruguay can't be thrown out completely, although Columbia look like they should beat them even with Suarez playing.

He's wired to be a psycho and needs banning for life.

And here are the extremes that has posters like me arguing for a bit of perspective.

 

[Revan]

I dont think FIFA have the power to ban him domestically as well. I'm torn on this, I'm probably in the category thinking we should sell him, Liverpool have always had other players step up, owen after fowler, torres after owen, suarez after torres, so im not worried about that. It's up to the club, as long as we dont start making excuses for him I'm not bothered what happens either way, I'd actually like to hear the club condemning him publically

They definitely have and have banned people from football (on all levels) before. Will they do it is something else.

 

[Sarni]

Colombia are going to batter this Uruguay team, Suarez or not. They are one of the best teams at this tournament.

 

[Zak Smith]

People calling for him to "get help".

He had "help" at Liverpool over the past season, it was part of the agreement with the PFA/FA if I remember correctly. What he needs is a proper punishment, last time was clearly not enough. Half the games he missed were irrelevant to the team, nothing games. People are treating him as if some "red mist" descends and he loses control, I don't buy that for one minute. He's a habitual cheat who has gone to the extent of biting to try and gain an advantage over his opponent. Throw the book.

 

[Libano]

3 post?

So... if you got caught raping twice, heck, give him a virgin and let him rape again.

What a twisted sick logic of yours.

Ban or Psychiatric ward. You just can't escape without punishment

Another ban would be the equivalent of giving a repeat rapist another year in prision - without treatment he'll just get back to raping more after release. I am actually pleading for psychological assessment, treatment and only after rehabilitation has been successful would I feel safe for letting Suarez play this sport again. Far from a sick logic. I'm just against simple punishment if it does nothing to protect other players from being bitten in the future.

 

[Bestie07]

It would be nice if he got banned domestically, but I really want him to get a lengthy international ban so that he misses this world cup and the next Copa America. Then he'll truly realize that consequences of his actions because playing for Uruguay obviously means a lot to him.

 

[LoSpritz]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/25/luis-suarez-bite-swedish-gamblers-win

One winner, Jonathan Braeck from Stenungssund in Sweden, bet 80 Swedish krona (£7) that Suárez would bite, and the 23-year-old substitute teacher is now set for a payout of 14,000 krona (£1,225) for his wager.
Braeck said he intends to spend some of his winnings on travelling to a Premier League game in England, but he will not be visiting Liverpool to see the man who helped fund his trip. “It will be a trip to Manchester. I’m going to try to find someone to go with me to Manchester United,” he said. “If I had [Suárez’s] home address I’d send him a thank-you card. It was very nice of him to bite and give me a trip to Manchester.”

You couldn't make this stuff up, Wonderful! Thanks from another happy red!

 

[Mali_Zeus]

You're quite correct that Ramos did play after the injury (he spent a good 3 or 4 months in the hospital before he could even begin recovering, though). With Ramos, he never was the same after the incident and many believe that the fracture actually damaged his brain, which is what I was referring to. Clearly, he was never right after the blow which, as I said, is too bad since he was a true talent.

I didnt know there, terrible story.

 

[swooshboy]

12 month ban from all football, or 6 month ban and 6 months suspended sentence (with the proviso that he has to wear a muzzle while playing).

 

[Berbasbullet]

Another ban would be the equivalent of giving a repeat rapist another year in prision - without treatment he'll just get back to raping more after release. I am actually pleading for psychological assessment, treatment and only after rehabilitation has been successful would I feel safe for letting Suarez play this sport again. Far from a sick logic. I'm just against simple punishment if it does nothing to protect other players from being bitten in the future.

I agree a psychological assessment would be a good thing, but he should also be banned from the game for a while at the same time.

 

[x42bn6]

Surely this is "bringing the game into disrepute"?

Anyway, I hope the media do their job for once!

I'm not sure the FA gets to sanction a player based on the World Cup. I personally don't like the idea because they would be punished twice in that case.

The FA didn't cite the Bakkal incident in their report when he bit Ivanović and they didn't reserve any judgement to extend the sanctions - so I don't think they will get to ban him in English competitions.

Still, I think there's an oddity here where Suárez wouldn't be banned for Uruguay's matches like the Copa América, because it is organised by CONMEBOL. Suárez could only be banned in competitions like the World Cup (qualifying and Finals) and Club World Cup.

 

[The Man Himself]

Any ban should be tournament games only. Give him a 10 game ban and Uruguay simply organize loads of friendlies.

Ban should be worldwide, across competitions and competitive games only.

 

[Someone]

I don't think he'll be banned domestically but, if your're Liverpool or a potentially interested club like Barcelona, would you feel confident he wouldn't do it again in the league? he has proven beyond doubt that he has no self control, a 4th biting incident and they'll throw everything they can at him, it's not just about his image now, it's about his future value as well.

 

[The Man Himself]

I missed that. he is close to joining Barca? I feel Messi would not love playing with him.

I don't know how much 'close' he is now but rumours were gaining speed by the day till the dog did his trick yesterday.

 

[Libano]

People calling for him to "get help".

He had "help" at Liverpool over the past season, it was part of the agreement with the PFA/FA if I remember correctly. What he needs is a proper punishment, last time was clearly not enough. Half the games he missed were irrelevant to the team, nothing games. People are treating him as if some "red mist" descends and he loses control, I don't buy that for one minute. He's a habitual cheat who has gone to the extent of biting to try and gain an advantage over his opponent. Throw the book.

How would biting benefit him in that particular situation? I couldn't think of a more stupid move.

Of course he's a cheat, as are many others on the pitch. Football unfortunately cultivates that sort of behaviour and rewards cheating. Bring on video evidence.

 

[Revan]

Looks familiar?

You know what is the most funny thing in these photos? They aren't from yesterday, they are photos from the Confederation Cup last year. It looks that he was preparing to eat Chiellini for a year.

 

[Barca84]

If not now he will eventually get another domestic ban you can be sure of that. I posted earlier the opinion of a behavioural expert who says that this behaviour is pretty untreatable. It's a primitive response that he has when things aren't going his way and normal folk learn as kids not to do it. It's not pre planned and he's not going to stop so it's a question of when not if.

 

[The Devil you Know]

Colombia are going to batter this Uruguay team, Suarez or not. They are one of the best teams at this tournament.

Didn't deserve to beat Italy at all but the amigo ref helped them out.

 

[Sarni]

How would biting benefit him in that particular situation? I couldn't think of a more stupid move.

Of course he's a cheat, as are many others on the pitch. Football unfortunately cultivates that sort of behaviour and rewards cheating. Bring on video evidence.

That's the thing. Even with malicious fouls there's advantage gained over opposition - in this case Suarez gets absolutely nothing in his favour, only ensures that his team will be weakened for the following several fixtures.

 

[slig]

so its true he is moving to barca?

 

[antihenry]

There is very rarely an incident where something isn't worse. Doesn't make it justifiable. And you ARE trying to brush it off. Because you're not just saying how terrible it is, but trying to deflect attention to all the worse things there are - and in doing so, indirectly, defending Suarez. Typical.

As I said, there is always something worse. A serial killer has nothing on Hitler, but doesn't mean when we think about what he's done we say "oh but, it's bad but, Hitler was worse" do we?

And frankly you and I have different views on what is worse. For example lets compare the 2 worst incidents (probably) in the WC so far - Song and Suarez. Both were disgusting acts and should both receive bans. But it's hard to explain; with Song, what he has done is a common physical reaction that occurs in humans. When someone has pissed someone off, they usually get physical with them and hit them. It on the other hand is not normal to bite someone.

We make these judgements all the time; some acts are always seen as worse than others despite them causing less pain, or despite the intent to cause harm being present in both cases. But there is just something about certain things, such as biting, spitting, pissing on etc, which are seen on another level to normal physical lashes. That's just my opinion, you're free to disagree (and I know you will).

I do agree that people saying this is the worst thing ever are OTT, but in context, he has done this 3 times which is why people are much more outraged and shocked than normal. You have to factor the multiple offender in when people make a judgement about it happening. I also think lifetime ban is OTT, but something serious has to be done here to set an example.

But with Liverpool and Uruguayan fans all jumping to defend Suarez, there lies the issue with football. Which is why it has fallen behind so many other sports in terms of sportsmanship. Certain things should be stamped out altogether no matter who you support or where you're from.

Great post.

 

[Sarni]

I don't know how much 'close' he is now but rumours were gaining speed by the day till the dog did his trick yesterday.

Italy were awful as well. Neither team gave a good account of themselves in the group stages IMO. Funny that Costa Rica were by far the best and most impressive side in this group.

 

[Mali_Zeus]

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28012675

Best part: "Asked about the alleged bite, Suarez told Uruguayan television after the game: "There are things that happen on the pitch and you should not make such a big deal out of them. It was just the two of us inside the area and he bumped into me with his shoulder."

Damn that Chielini he bumped him with the shoulder in the same time Suarez accidentally opened his mouth...

 

[The Man Himself]

I dont think FIFA have the power to ban him domestically as well. I'm torn on this, I'm probably in the category thinking we should sell him, Liverpool have always had other players step up, owen after fowler, torres after owen, suarez after torres, so im not worried about that. It's up to the club, as long as we dont start making excuses for him I'm not bothered what happens either way, I'd actually like to hear the club condemning him publically

What makes you 'think' FIFA don't have the power to impose worldwide ban? They have full authority and power to impose worldwide ban across competitions on a player, if needed.

 

[Revan]

so its true he is moving to barca?

Sergio Biscuit won't like this.

 

[The Man Himself]

The changed man act only came about because Liverpool had a fairly smooth sailing season. The real Suarez comes out when he's frustrated. He's never stopped being an idiot.

This. Nail on the head. Or I should say, teeth on a shoulder.