Are they broke? I'm not entirely sure what the new owner has invested or how rich he is.
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Haven't kept up with their struggles, but last thing i remember their stadium was at risk and they'd just sold Villa, Silva, Mata and anyone else decent to ensure they didn't go bust.
They aren't broke, they have Lim & Jorge Mendes sorting them out. He'd only be a bench player there anyway though.
They were bought by Peter Lim who is apparently worth $2.5b.. not the richest owner about but they have spent some money this summer.
Think they've made a profit though considering they haven't directly paid for Rodrigo so yeah it wouldn't be a surprise if they fork out an extra £20m or so yet, however it's more likely to all go on Enzo Perez than some of it on Cleverley.
Fair enough then, glad to hear it.
Given we finished 7th last year, with him "contributing", it would be strange if he was turning his nose up at Villa (or Valencia of course). Along with Newcastle, Villa are the biggest club outside the top 7 in the premier league. If he waits a year to become a free agent, I can't see how he will become more marketable after a year on the bench. But, after setting up TC23 and implicitly claiming he would be applauded in Spain, maybe self-awareness is not his strongest point.
They're not the best though, far from it, so I doubt he'd really be arsed about them having been good years ago when they're more likely to be in a relegation scrap all season.
He'd be crazy to turn down Valencia. With the recent English fan campaign to stop him playing for England the Villa fans will be horrified they are buying him. Far better to start afresh abroad...
They'd clap at his sideways passing over there in Valencia
They've blatantly asked Jorge Mendes if they can just pretend Valencia are trying to buy Hernandez, Cleverley & Kagawa so we can get other teams to show some interest.
Well for all the stick Cleverley is getting for his comments regarding football in Spain, maybe it was Martinez who told him that and Cleverley is only repeating it? Martinez went as far as saying that there are not many players in England who look like they could have brought up in Spain, France or Holland, but Cleverley is one of those.
Of course Cleverley hasn't shown this for a long while now but I do rate Martinez and if he says it then there must be some truth in it:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/06/roberto-martinez-tom-cleverley-england
Of course Cleverley hasn't shown this for a long while now but I do rate Martinez and if he says it then there must be some truth in it:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/06/roberto-martinez-tom-cleverley-england
But most teams below 7th are in some kind of relegation battle in so far as survival is the only real aim. Putting Valencia to one side, I can't imagine Everton would really be interested in him as a first XI player when they have Barkley coming through.
Him and Kagawa were not in training.
Don't forget Nani
I didn't see him at all in the training pictures.
I thought Cleverley said what he said about Spain based on what he saw for himself watching La Liga. Just on memory without looking up the actual quotes I think I remember him saying that.
A bidding war for Cleverley 
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.Couldn't agree more. He really should jump at the chance to join Valencia if its true they've bid.
Good post. The exaggeration over how shit he is one here has gone so far overboard. I reckon he will do well at a club preferably who play a midfield three, where he would be first choice every week.
With respect to Valencia over Villa the other factor will be his wife and if he has kids which I cant remember. If he stays and goes to Villa that would be a factor while many would simply think it would be a lack of ambition.
Also the exaggeration of how shit he is just indicates to me how many have absolutely no clue about why a footballer is any good or not. I sometimes end up defending him not because I think he is right for us but because so many of the criticisms are simply inaccurate.
I dont think he is right for us because what we really need is a CM who is capable of also running at defenders with the ball at his feet.
His main strength is that he is really good at keeping the ball moving and unfortunately so many of his critics simply dont understand why that is a valuable asset and also simply dont understand when its happening or the indicators to show whats going on.
However we dont need a player who's main attribute is keeping the ball speed up, we need a CM who can both pass and run with the ball.
I hope wherever he goes he does really well. He has been nailed with criticism that far exceeds what he has deserved and is also so often wildly inaccurate and based on a mixture of ignorance and mob mentality at times.
Shouldn't that be the absolute bare minimum for a midfielder? Can you name a midfielder who is considered a good midfielder but is not so good at 'keeping the ball moving'?
OK, he is actually better than most at this, the problem is that we really need a CM who can run with the ball as well and take defenders on with the ball. Thats his weakness. His ability to keep the ball moving is very good. There are tons of CM's who are not as effective at circulating the ball, fecking hell if you cant see the CM's we already have who dont do it as well no wonder people are confused. .
Down to Tom now, obviously been told he can go, but by all accounts if he stays and sees out his contract his signing on fee next season will be big, so it's just where he priorities lie, less money and play, or more money and don't play first team games for 12 months (or many anyway).
Reckon he'll go personally.
Reckon he'll go personally.
Apparently reports in Spain have nothing about Valencia being interestedA bidding war for Cleverley
I think he has a baby. I'm sure his girlfriend will cope. Spain is hardly on the other side of the world. Most of the foreign footballers here have families, as did Beckham when he moved to Spain, and Bale has a partner and a baby. It shouldn't be an excuse to step out of his comfort zone (like a lot of English footballers tend to do) for the betterment of his career.
I agree with the rest of your post. He was a scapegoat for our poor play and poor results. It all seemed to be Cleverley's fault, even when there were far worse performers on the pitch. I wont pretend he was fantastic, no-one has been over this past year or so, but he's nowhere near as bad as people on here make out.
This is an assumption that I dont think can be made so simply.
He is a product of our own setup and so will might simply want to be a success here. If he doesnt go there is a chance that he simply wants to fight on and see if he can make the grade under LVG.
The thing people forget when assuming players simply go when and where they can make the most money is just how incredibly hard they will have worked to get to be a pro player at one of the biggest clubs in the world. To get there in the first place will have taken from a very young age a massive amount of determination, mental strength, hard work and countless hours of dedication. Those sorts of things are the make up of people who are driven by ambition rather than money in most cases. The fact he is still on an incentive based, low base wage compared to most of the rest of the squad indicates to me that maybe he is driven by ambition.
As it is 30k a week means that money in the bigger scheme of things isnt a problem for him, he is already a wealthy young man.
I think he needs to move on for his own sake anyway, he isnt what we need and he needs a change of scenery to move forward anyway.
Sure it shouldnt be an excuse but anyone with a family will understand that different people operate with different priorities. Just because we as fans think he should move somewhere ambitious doesnt mean his priority might not be wife, family and the surrounding support networks of family being close at hand. Family pressures arent an excuse, they are a reality.
If we had the league cup, and or europe then yes he might get another chance, but we are playing so few games this season that I would doubt he would get much of a chance to play, and unless he gets a run of games it's not really fair on him to show his best.
Neither of us even know his exact family situation so it's pointless talking hypothetically. We don't know if family 'pressures' even exist in his case.
Yeah thats the point I am not making very well. People will slag him off if he doesnt go to a possible offer from Valencia because they perceive it as a lack of ambition or holding out for a money payout on a free transfer. However other priorities which are perfectly reasonable might also be a reason.
Yep,
which is one of the reasons why he should move on, he needs to go somewhere that needs his type of player and allows him to be at his best.
You know what is funny about all of the transfer talks with Cleverley? I said a few days ago that it would be quite something if Cleverley meets Roy Keane as a member of Aston Villa. If that ends up being the case, I can't wait to see the result.
Apparently they
Apparently they have met in the last day or so.You know what is funny about all of the transfer talks with Cleverley? I said a few days ago that it would be quite something if Cleverley meets Roy Keane as a member of Aston Villa. If that ends up being the case, I can't wait to see the result.
I should also add "enduring Keano on the training pitch and during matches".
Why?, would it be a problem?.I should also add "enduring Keano on the training pitch and during matches".
Well for this instance, I would like to see how it goes when the softest midfielder he had in years has to endure the wrath from the person regarded as the hardest player we ever had... considering that Keano nailed everybody in his way when something or someone was out of his line.
You dont think it is possible that Lambert and Keane want Cleverley for Cleverleys strengths?. If they wanted a hard arse tackler they wouldnt be going in for Cleverley would they?
You dont think Keane is capable of more than just one element of his playing personality?
Of course not!! Sideways Tom doesn't offer anything. 22 league appearances last season and in everyone of those games he was the single reason why the other 10 players on the pitch failed. It's clear United are paying these clubs to take him from us. Wouldn't be surprised if the club he joins goes into administration and ceases to exist because of him.
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