[PedroMendez]

Januzaj will only make the next step forward, when he becomes a regular starter. In the current situation and with the current squad, thats not going to happen (except there is an injury crisis). Its pretty much a wasted year for him. The idea, that a player who is already on his level improves significantly just by training is nonsense. I cant remember any similar examples, where this worked.

I can hardly blame LvG for not using him right now. The competition is stiff and LvG needs results; but that was foreseeable after loaning Falcao. Either dont buy Falcao and trust Januzaj or send him on a loan for a year.

 

[bosnian_red]

Januzaj will only make the next step forward, when he becomes a regular starter. In the current situation and with the current squad, thats not going to happen (except there is an injury crisis). Its pretty much a wasted year for him. The idea, that a player who is already on his level improves significantly just by training is nonsense. I cant remember any similar examples, where this worked.

I can hardly blame LvG for not using him right now. The competition is stiff and LvG needs results; but that was foreseeable after loaning Falcao. Either dont buy Falcao and trust Januzaj or send him on a loan for a year.

He's 19 years old, of course he will improve even if he isn't a starter, especially training with the likes of di maria and Falcao. He's an excellent young player, but you don't see you players starting for top teams unless you're Ronaldo or Messi.

 

[PedroMendez]

Young players in Spain or germany get significant time on the ptich. Its absolutly common that 19 year olds are starting week-in-week-out. Those who dont get enough time on the pitch either join a team, where they can play on a regular basis or dont make it. The EPL is a fantastic league, but most teams are far behind when it comes down to developing players. The notion that players have their breakthrough in the mid twenties and peak around 30 is outdated.
Today young players usually have years of professional training behind them before joing the first team. The consequence is that even U20 players are capable to compete with professionals; at least the talented once. Of course they need time to adjust to the higher level, but Januzaj already proved that he is able to compete.
Of course they still learn something in training. Even old players do, but there is the point where its sink or swim. You either trust them or you dont.

Isnt the defence a good example of what happens with player, that are not trusted to start on a regular basis on their best position? Jones, Evans and Smalling are all a bit underwhelming and only if you give them enough time on the pitch you see if they have it in them or not. The idea, that after years of sitting on the bench, you pop up as well-rounded player is nonsense.


gist: trust young players or dont buy them.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Some people here talk about its good how we reward youth players, and that we should reward Blackett/McNair but thats bullocks, a youth player who was our 2nd best outfield player last season, carried the team when rvp and roo were injured is being sat on the bench, played out of position. Thats the opposite of rewarding, there is nothing that Januzaj could do to get in this Van Gaal team atm, and thats as unfair as it can get. While slowpoke RVP can play as bad as he want and still start the next game.

Incredibly frustrating for the lad and he will not progress for long time if this continues. We are the only club who has such a massive talent who is just under 20 and bench/protect him, look at the likes of (Chambers, Hazard at the time, Gotze, Sterling, Munir, Jese, Meyer, Draxler, Pogba at the time, Coutinho etc)

 

[JPRouve]

Januzaj will only make the next step forward, when he becomes a regular starter. In the current situation and with the current squad, thats not going to happen (except there is an injury crisis). Its pretty much a wasted year for him. The idea, that a player who is already on his level improves significantly just by training is nonsense. I cant remember any similar examples, where this worked.

I can hardly blame LvG for not using him right now. The competition is stiff and LvG needs results; but that was foreseeable after loaning Falcao. Either dont buy Falcao and trust Januzaj or send him on a loan for a year.

Like you said, he isn't playing because he is not the best option, but players like Rafinha, Montoya, Jesé, Morata, Shaqiri even Varane weren't or aren't regular starter at 19-20.

In reality the only players who regularly play at that age are the ones who play in "weak" teams or the ones who are extremely good (Pogba, Thiago, Sterling).

The fact that he isn't playing much in the first two months, is normal when you judge is current level honestly, he is not a better striker than Wilson, he is not a better 8 than Pereira and he isn't a better #10 than Mata.

He has only one thing to do, work harder and harder, and become a real threat for his direct competition.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Like you said, he isn't playing because he is not the best option, but players like Rafinha, Montoya, Jesé, Morata, Shaqiri even Varane weren't or aren't regular starter at 19-20.

In reality the only players who regularly play at that age are the ones who play in "weak" teams or the ones who are extremely good (Pogba, Thiago, Sterling).

The fact that he isn't playing much in the first two months, is normal when you judge is current level honestly, he is not a better striker than Wilson, he is not a better 8 than Pereira and he isn't a better #10 than Mata.

He has only one thing to do, work harder and harder, and become a real threat for his direct competition.

Or he will want to leave as he knows that other clubs will give him the chance and that he will develop when being giving one.. Just like Welbz/Pogba did. As for now it doesnt look like Januzaj will be a regular starter as long as Mata, Rooney, RVP, Falcao are here.

 

[PedroMendez]

Like you said, he isn't playing because he is not the best option, but players like Rafinha, Montoya, Jesé, Morata, Shaqiri even Varane weren't or aren't regular starter at 19-20.

In reality the only players who regularly play at that age are the ones who play in "weak" teams or the ones who are extremely good (Pogba, Thiago, Sterling).

The fact that he isn't playing much in the first two months, is normal when you judge is current level honestly, he is not a better striker than Wilson, he is not a better 8 than Pereira and he isn't a better #10 than Mata.

He has only one thing to do, work harder and harder, and become a real threat for his direct competition.

Every year I heard, that Barca has fantastic talents, who will be the next big thing. Most of these names vanished again, because they never played a significant role for the first teams; the established players were always prefered (might change this season). Deulofeu on the other hand was loaned out and showed great performances in a different leauge despite being young. It also surely doesnt help Varane to be benched, while Pepe is allowed to play. Nobody in Munich believes anymore, that Shaqiri will become a important part of the team. He´ll be sold next season. Jese started to get significant time on the pitch and showed impressive performances; sadly his injury was a huge setback. Thiago got significant time on the pitch during Pep´s last season, but left because the next manager didnt trust him. I dont rate Morata, but he also proves my point, doesnt he? He´d never be able to have his break through for Madrid, so he joined a club, where he has better chances to play.

Its complicated for big teams to promote youngsters, but that doesnt change the logic behind it. There is a point, usually between 17 and 20, where players have to get time on the pitch or their development stalls. Either use Januzaj as important part of the team or send him on a loan. Everything else is nonsense.

 

[BennyBlanco]

He needs games, players progress with games it's just that simple, Wenger would have the proverbial bollocks to play him week in, week out regardless if he has/could buy better options, as he proved with Ramsey, taking stick even from his own fans on the subject yet stuck to his guns, and look at Ramsey now, I'm sure he'll do similar with Danny Welbeck who'll no doubt end up a better player for Arsenal over the coming years than he would if he'd stayed at United, that's the very definition of giving youth a chance.
RvP has been outrageously poor (for him) yet has played every minute he's been fit, similarly Mata the jury is still out, yet Januzaj hasn't had a look in, he'll know he could easily be getting chances elsewhere the longer this carries on.

 

[caisenma]

Whatever the case may be, we will strongly, strongly regret it if we feck this up.

Arsenal's situation with Ramsey is a perfect example of what should be happening with Januzaj. I just think that with Di Maria you could have absolutely potent wingers.

Something like:

-------------Falcao
Di Maria---- Rooney ---- Januzaj
------Blind---------- Herrera
Shaw - Jones - Evans - Rafael

Looking ahead for the next two years, I really don't think RVP is the answer. At his age, there is only one direction he can go.

Having three players right now that "can't be dropped" is going to hurt is in a big, big way down the road unless that mentality changes.

 

[caisenma]

Whatever the case may be, we will strongly, strongly regret it if we feck this up.

Arsenal's situation with Ramsey is a perfect example of what should be happening with Januzaj. I just think that with Di Maria you could have absolutely potent wingers.

Something like:

-------------Falcao
Di Maria---- Rooney ---- Januzaj
------Blind---------- Herrera
Shaw - Jones - Evans - Rafael

Looking ahead for the next two years, I really don't think RVP is the answer. At his age, there is only one direction he can go.

Having three players right now that "can't be dropped" is going to hurt is in a big, big way down the road unless that mentality changes.

Bear in mind with that formation, I'm not talking about going against a top club with that set up. But anyone aside from the top 4, I'd think that this set up would do significant damage.

 

[JPRouve]

Or he will want to leave as he knows that other clubs will give him the chance and that he will develop when being giving one.. Just like Welbz/Pogba did. As for now it doesnt look like Januzaj will be a regular starter as long as Mata, Rooney, RVP, Falcao are here.

He might want to leave, but he is stuck with us for the next 4 years. And if he refuses to compete for his place, he doesn't have the right attitude.
Fortunately, it's not the case.

 

[Sammyjunn]

He might want to leave, but he is stuck with us for the next 4 years. And if he refuses to compete for his place, he doesn't have the right attitude.
Fortunately, it's not the case.

Do you think United will keep him against his will, especially if he isnt playing? Couldnt he take the club to court then? There is a difference in competing and not getting a place no matter how bad your concurrors play (whats the case until now).

 

[JPRouve]

Do you think United will keep him against his will, especially if he isnt playing? Couldnt he take the club to court then? There is a difference in competing and not getting a place no matter how bad your concurrors play (whats the case until now).

It's very soon, he may become a starter by the end of the season or the season after. He is not playing at the moment because he is not good enough in the eyes of the coach, same coach who gave Wilson a chance. And i think that if LVG rates him we will keep him no matter what.

As for the bold part, Mata has been good, Rooney has been great, RVP is meh but efficient and Falcao is good. The only player he could compete with is RVP and we have Wilson who is a better striker. And Januzaj has no holding play in him (at PL level), so he won't take Falcao's place.

 

[itso 7]

Whatever the case may be, we will strongly, strongly regret it if we feck this up.

Arsenal's situation with Ramsey is a perfect example of what should be happening with Januzaj. I just think that with Di Maria you could have absolutely potent wingers.

Something like:

-------------Falcao
Di Maria---- Rooney ---- Januzaj
------Blind---------- Herrera
Shaw - Jones - Evans - Rafael

Looking ahead for the next two years, I really don't think RVP is the answer. At his age, there is only one direction he can go.

Having three players right now that "can't be dropped" is going to hurt is in a big, big way down the road unless that mentality changes.

I am thinking sooner rather than later, against Chelsea and City we will pay for accommodating untouchables. Januzaj might not have an illustrious a name as Van Persie or Falcao but it is a fact that we do miss what he offers, which is different to what any of Rooney, Falcao and Van Persie offers. Yesterday I thought we could have used him to nullify Bairnes by using Adnan to attack him, these are the circumstances where Januzaj is more useful to have in the side than Robin. I think the line up you posted is significantly more balanced than the ones we have used so far.

 

[NoLogo]

Whatever the case may be, we will strongly, strongly regret it if we feck this up.

Arsenal's situation with Ramsey is a perfect example of what should be happening with Januzaj. I just think that with Di Maria you could have absolutely potent wingers.

Something like:

-------------Falcao
Di Maria---- Rooney ---- Januzaj
------Blind---------- Herrera
Shaw - Jones - Evans - Rafael

Looking ahead for the next two years, I really don't think RVP is the answer. At his age, there is only one direction he can go.

Having three players right now that "can't be dropped" is going to hurt is in a big, big way down the road unless that mentality changes.

Indeed. I would be really angry if we lost Januzaj due to not getting any playing time because RvP was undropable despite being shit.

 

[In Rainbows]

I'm not worried of losing him. I'm worried that we won't bring out his potential. He should be getting a good amount of minutes so he can get out all of the poor decision making, inconsistency, etc... out of the way. He has such a wide array of skills with great creative instinct.

Here are a couple of gifs from his performance vs Newcastle last season. He showcased numerous skills in that match. Excuse the poor quality on some of them.

Spoiler: januzaj

What he showed in a lot of matches last season was not normal for a teenage footballer. The excuse last season for him not playing was that there was too much pressure on his shoulders to carry the team. That is why his minutes in the 2nd half of the season fell off a cliff despite performing better than Young, Valencia, etc... Now we can field Di Maria, Falcao, Mata, etc... in the same team with Januzaj and we're still not playing him. He's essentially not had playing time since February.

 

[RooneyLegend]

He needs to be playing in order to apply and perfect what he's learning in training. If he doesn't he'll most certainly stagnate and that would be horrible considering his importance to the club.

 

[Sarni]

It's strange that all he has got this season have been a couple of short cameo appearances. It's a crucial season in terms of development for him, his second one in which he either builds on early promise or drops further down in the pecking order and so far the latter has been happening. It's early doors but it's certainly worrying that he's been out of the team.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Very true. There are a lot of lessons to be learnt from what happened to Owen and, to a lesser extent, Giggs. Obviously Giggs adapted immensely and was still a great player as he matured but he played a lot of football at a young age (99 first team games at the age of 19) which arguably contributed to the series of hamstring injuries that took away that incredible pace he had as a teenager.

This notion is utter rubbish imo. Taking correlation as causation makes no sense as far as im concerned. While those players did have lots of injuries other players who started early managed to go through their careers with relatively minor injuries throughout so its clear that the claim that too much football caused those injuries just cant be proven. I'm more of the logic that because this is a sport and lots of different individuals with different bodies injuries will happen to others while some will go through their careers relatively unscathed. How about we play the kid and stop coming up with theories that simply can't be proven. The other thing is Janu isn't exactly a baby, he's already 19 years old turning 20 in 4 months time.

 

[JPRouve]

I think that Januzaj was supposed to play in the two last games but Rooney red card and Shaw injury, forced LVG to change his plans.

 

[DWelbz19]

I'd happily see van Persie or Mata dropped for him. Neither are stepping up.

 

[Raoul]

I'd happily see van Persie or Mata dropped for him. Neither are stepping up.

RvP and Mata are doing just fine. Januzaj just needs to wait for his chance.

 

[Raoul]

I'm not worried of losing him. I'm worried that we won't bring out his potential. He should be getting a good amount of minutes so he can get out all of the poor decision making, inconsistency, etc... out of the way. He has such a wide array of skills with great creative instinct.

Here are a couple of gifs from his performance vs Newcastle last season. He showcased numerous skills in that match. Excuse the poor quality on some of them.



What he showed in a lot of matches last season was not normal for a teenage footballer. The excuse last season for him not playing was that there was too much pressure on his shoulders to carry the team. That is why his minutes in the 2nd half of the season fell off a cliff despite performing better than Young, Valencia, etc... Now we can field Di Maria, Falcao, Mata, etc... in the same team with Januzaj and we're still not playing him. He's essentially not had playing time since February.

If he only played sparingly last year, it would make perfect sense that he would play just as sparingly, or even less, with the likes of Falcao, Di Maria et all in the mix.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

I miss watching him play.

In fifa 2015 I have Di Maria and Januzaj on the flanks and it works well.

I really think Januzaj is most effective from the wing at this stage in his career.

 

[caisenma]

I miss watching him play.

In fifa 2015 I have Di Maria and Januzaj on the flanks and it works well.

I really think Januzaj is most effective from the wing at this stage in his career.

You're not the only one. They were singing his song at Old Trafford on Sunday, not many 19 year old kids get that honour when they're sitting on the bench. As an aside, only Rooney sold more shirts last year. Everyone wants to see him be a star with us.

 

[Sereques]

Or he will want to leave as he knows that other clubs will give him the chance and that he will develop when being giving one.. Just like Welbz/Pogba did. As for now it doesnt look like Januzaj will be a regular starter as long as Mata, Rooney, RVP, Falcao are here.

Patience is a virtue. Rooney is 28 and RVP is 31.

 

[khoazany]

RvP and Mata are doing just fine. Januzaj just needs to wait for his chance.

They certainly didn't do anywhere near enough to justify leaving Januzaj on the bench.

 

[Sultan]

Or he will want to leave as he knows that other clubs will give him the chance and that he will develop when being giving one.. Just like Welbz/Pogba did. As for now it doesnt look like Januzaj will be a regular starter as long as Mata, Rooney, RVP, Falcao are here.

The biggest problem this season is a lack of games for the club. Most fringe players will suffer.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

Can't believe some people losing their shit over a 19 year old not being involved much. Give it time. If he was playing, the same people would be saying we need to protect him.

Patience.

 

[fishfingers15]

Can't believe some people losing their shit over a 19 year old not being involved much. Give it time. If he was playing, the same people would be saying we need to protect him.

Patience.

There's always some stick to beat. Lookie, RvP is undroppable.. Let's drop Mata and I want Januzaj... Let's sign Coleman... Sell Rooney now...

 

[Sarni]

Can't believe some people losing their shit over a 19 year old not being involved much. Give it time. If he was playing, the same people would be saying we need to protect him.

Patience.

No one would complain about Januzaj being played, there's no way a 19-year old should be protected from football.

 

[ivaldo]

Its completely understandable that he isn't getting time, he has RVP, Mata, Rooney, Falcao and Di Maria to compete with for Christ sake. LVG doesn't want to risk the inconsistency of a 19 year old in a tight game, if we were 3-0 up against Everton he would've certainly got plenty of time on the pitch, don't panic, it'll come.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

No one would complain about Januzaj being played, there's no way a 19-year old should be protected from football.

Rewind to last season. Heaps were saying he was overused at times.

Some of our great young players to come through have all been "protected" (maybe not the right term but gradually introduced), so I have no issue with not seeing Januzaj for a few weeks, even though, I am up there with his biggest fans. This is not a make or break season for him, fansare just too dramatic.

 

[Sarni]

Rewind to last season. Heaps were saying he was overused at times.

Some of our great young players to come through have all been "protected" (maybe not the right term but gradually introduced), so I have no issue with not seeing Januzaj for a few weeks, even though, I am up there with his biggest fans. This is not a make or break season for him, fansare just too dramatic.

There is middle ground between playing him twice a week on a regular basis (which we cannot do anyway because we don't play twice a week) and not playing him at all. It's very early though so I hope it's just a temporary situation.

 

[In Rainbows]

Its completely understandable that he isn't getting time, he has RVP, Mata, Rooney, Falcao and Di Maria to compete with for Christ sake. LVG doesn't want to risk the inconsistency of a 19 year old in a tight game, if we were 3-0 up against Everton he would've certainly got plenty of time on the pitch, don't panic, it'll come.

Let's be real here, RVP and Mata haven't exactly been consistent. Even Rooney started off slow, but has since been playing well before his suspension. No one is asking for Januzaj to start every game. Just give him 1 start at least. The good thing about the international break is that he can maybe get some minutes with Belgium.

 

[Eric'sCollar]

There is middle ground between playing him twice a week on a regular basis (which we cannot do anyway because we don't play twice a week) and not playing him at all. It's very early though so I hope it's just a temporary situation.

I agree but as on your last point, I just can't understand the people who can't get over him not playing for a few weeks. It's football, that happens.

 

[Feed Me]

Why are so many people having shit-fits over Adnan? Ogden wrote in The Telegraph that there was a concern within the club that he was badly overexposed last season and it ended up having a negative impact.

I know some will say it's only a shirt number, but we wouldn't have handed him 11 if it was our intention to marginalise him.

 

[ivaldo]

Let's be real here, RVP and Mata haven't exactly been consistent. Even Rooney started off slow, but has since been playing well before his suspension. No one is asking for Januzaj to start every game. Just give him 1 start at least. The good thing about the international break is that he can maybe get some minutes with Belgium.

And despite that we've had absolutely no problem scoring goals, with RVP getting 2. Evidently he's happier to build a bit of momentum with the established players, once we are playing well on a regular basis Januzaj will no doubt be integrated.

 

[El Zoido]

Why are so many people having shit-fits over Adnan? Ogden wrote in The Telegraph that there was a concern within the club that he was badly overexposed last season and it ended up having a negative impact.

I know some will say it's only a shirt number, but we wouldn't have handed him 11 if it was our intention to marginalise him.

Pretty much. Feet back on the ground for him, it's a long season and you can only start 11 players each week. He'll get his chance.

 

[Sereques]

The only thing Januzaj have to do this season is to play well when he's called upon. If we get into Europe, we will have 60+ games next season. RVP will be 32, and he will be 21. Best moment to take his chance and seal a spot in the team.