One might want to have the flexibility. I can think of a couple of CBs who aren't worse than Pepe who will give him more options too. Not saying Pepe is a bad pick, but it's not the best one either imo
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Pepe's fine as long as you give him a good partner. Someone like Carvalho would have been perfect. It's slim pickings with defenders in this draft.
Vidic, Terry and Silva are clearly the top 3, if you use them correctly. I don't rate Chiellini that highly, but Kompany, Hummels or Pepe above Boateng is a fecking joke and both Varane and Benatia should be nowhere near all the others on that list.
Pepe is a better CB than Ramos. Pepe is a lot better than Varane. Varane has potential but he hasn't shown anything that counts as a great season. Shouldn't be close to Pepe. Pepe is similar to Terry really. Their style that is. Pepe is quicker. Terry better in the air.
Even after that list I still consider him a top 5. You basically did the same. 5-8th is still top 5.
Surely Kompany is better than you rated!
Edit: My rating of players you mentioned...
Silva, Vidic, Terry
Kompany, Ramos, Pepe, Boateng
Hummels, Chiellini
Varane, Godin
Loving the criticism around here. I've made a rough list in 2 minutes, with two groups of 4 players in the same level so I won't go into specifics.
@harms @Balu if you guys want to disagree, go ahead, but don't do it without giving an actual opinion. If you want to say something is wrong(or many things) say how - don't just say it's wrong.
@harms @Balu if you guys want to disagree, go ahead, but don't do it without giving an actual opinion. If you want to say something is wrong(or many things) say how - don't just say it's wrong.
ROBIN VAN PERSIE
Kompany's prime was brilliant. It was only for a season, but he was outstanding.
I'd go:
Terry
Silva, Kompany, Vidic
Ramos, Boateng, Godin
Hummels, Chiellini, Benatia, Pepe, Varane.
I don't understand this obsession with constantly rating teams during the drafting.
Kompany > Boateng for me, Hummels/Pepe I think it's a slim margin but I can see how you would put Boateng over them which is fine by me. Nothing over the top here.
Pepe isn't a better CB than Ramos, very different types of CBs and Pepe may be a better stopper but I'd take Ramos over him to my team any day. Ramos offers leadership, better decision making, and a lot more on the ball. Plus, he's less risky in the voter's minds.
I've put Pepe over Varane by the way..
And no, top 5 isn't really like putting him 5-8th.
I find the Kompany thing a bit odd, I personally always felt he's being overrated. Never got a real grip of leading ManC in the CL and I hold it against him. Maybe he's just better at defending against the big and strong strikers and not the fast ones, maybe it's just that he's not as good against teams who play on the ground..
I'd never rate him over Ramos, not sure he's above Chiellini either(who I find overrated often)
- Pat_Mustard: 1. Xavi 2. Villa 3. Dani Alves
- Raees: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Hummels 3. Chiellini
- Physiocrat: 1. Robben 2. Fabregas 3. J. Boateng
- MJJ: 1. Kaka 2. Torres 3. Essien
- Stobzilla: 1. Lahm 2. Alaba 3. Vidal
- The Red Viper: 1. Iniesta 2. Terry 3. Neymar 4. Van Persie.
- Isotope: 1. Suárez 2. Eto'o 3. Mascherano 4. Pepe
- Theon: 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Ibrahimovic 3. Sanchez 4. Sneijder
- BorisDeLedFora: 1. Vidic 2. Kompany 3. De Rossi 4. Cavani
- Snow: 1. Hazard 2. Modric 3. Busquets 4. Azpilicueta
- VivaJanuzaj: 1. Thiago Silva 2. Yaya Toure 3. Ivanovic 4. Pogba
- NoPace: 1. Kroos 2. Reus 3. Ramos 4.di Maria
- Barney: 1. Gerrard 2. Alonso 3. Martinez 4. Benatia
- Skizzo: 1. Muller 2. Evra 3. Godin 4. D. Silva
- crappycraperson: 1. Ribery 2. Aguero 3. Varane 4. Carrick
- NM: 1. Bale 2. Cole 3. Maicon 4. Cambiasso
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Please respect the spirit of the game.
Just adds some interest while players aren't picking really..
Terry over Vidic? Classic scouser
I'd put T.Silva over Terry too personally, T.Silva is much easier to find a partner for too.
Varane and Benatia should be nowhere near Godin or Boateng.
I'd say there's a top four there of Silva, Vidic, Terry and Godin. Silva the pick of the bunch. Then followed by Boateng, Kompany and Chiellini. It's hard to judge the Real duo given their propensity for the occasional calamity but otherwise strength at playing a high line.
They can really be behind them, but okay I'm not saying you're wrong about these two.
But Godin's peak is too short for me to give him the 4th spot.
Even in his best season, he looked completely out of his depth in Europe. If you judge only one season, then Hummels in Dortmund's first title winning season was just as good as Kompany in his best. It makes no sense at all to have Hummels so far down your list and Kompany so far up, unless you use completely different criteria for both players.
I'll take Wayne Rooney
- Pat_Mustard: 1. Xavi 2. Villa 3. Dani Alves
- Raees: 1. Ronaldinho 2. Hummels 3. Chiellini
- Physiocrat: 1. Robben 2. Fabregas 3. J. Boateng
- MJJ: 1. Kaka 2. Torres 3. Essien
- Stobzilla: 1. Lahm 2. Alaba 3. Vidal 4. Rooney
- The Red Viper: 1. Iniesta 2. Terry 3. Neymar 4. Van Persie.
- Isotope: 1. Suárez 2. Eto'o 3. Mascherano 4. Pepe
- Theon: 1. Schweinsteiger 2. Ibrahimovic 3. Sanchez 4. Sneijder
- BorisDeLedFora: 1. Vidic 2. Kompany 3. De Rossi 4. Cavani
- Snow: 1. Hazard 2. Modric 3. Busquets 4. Azpilicueta
- VivaJanuzaj: 1. Thiago Silva 2. Yaya Toure 3. Ivanovic 4. Pogba
- NoPace: 1. Kroos 2. Reus 3. Ramos 4.di Maria
- Barney: 1. Gerrard 2. Alonso 3. Martinez 4. Benatia
- Skizzo: 1. Muller 2. Evra 3. Godin 4. D. Silva
- crappycraperson: 1. Ribery 2. Aguero 3. Varane 4. Carrick
- NM: 1. Bale 2. Cole 3. Maicon 4. Cambiasso
I'm sorry, it was just a very strange list and I disagreed with too much on your very short list to go into specifics. I also don't know why you felt the need to make it in the first place.
I don't like those ratings, especially so early and with so limited pool. There are stand-out defenders - Vidic and Silva, obviously, and probably Terry. Varane and Benatia shouldn't be on that list yet (especially Varane). Pepe is a better central defender than Ramos, for example, yet I would've rated him and Ramos and all others bar Chiellini at the same level - it goes down to your personal preferences. I don't rate Chiellini that high - he is a quality defender (and a great pick in this limited draft), but nothing spectacular, he is overrated here in my opinion.
Interesting team you're building @Stobzilla .
I made the list because Snow said Pepe is top 5 CBs in the draft so I made a rough sketch of how I rate the CBs picked. I disagree about some of the things you say but lets finish it for now as it's not getting us anywhere.
No need to be sorry mate everything is fine
I made the list because Snow said Pepe is top 5 CBs in the draft so I made a rough sketch of how I rate the CBs picked. I disagree about some of the things you say but lets finish it for now as it's not getting us anywhere.
I'm feeling so richened every time I talk to you, so much information and interesting things to sayPhysiocrat, stobzilla and the red viper my favourites so far.
@Skizzo is going to love me here, but Godin flew under the radar somewhat until Atletico became properly competitive. He was solid at Villarreal, brilliant at the 2010 World Cup, and went from strength to strength in Madrid.
I genuinely believe I have gone mental this time.
I like Skizzo's team.
There's not an awful lot between most of the teams but Theon and The Red Viper are possibly the standouts for me so far.
Stobz and TRV are my favorites, with MJJ knocking behind. Tough to judge teams without defenders yet.
EDIT: or attackers for that matter, but I guess the attacking pool is bigger than the defending one.
My favourites are Theon, Barney and NM
Good on ya.
I rank Iso's in Top 16. If he can add Ronaldinho, T. Silva, and Schewini, he'll be in Top 5. Easily.
Not bad, 6 United players made it in the first 60 picks. 4 in the last 12
I wonder if we can get a good run tonight before the match starts
I tend to agree. It seems impossible to avoid, though.
Ideally, people should discuss the players rather than comparing them or ranking them. The latter is both boring and - in this context - utterly pointless, since most managers are shamelessly biased. It just gets silly, in my opinion.
Talk about whether NN can play such and such a role, how good he was at A, B and C. That sort of thing. That can actually be interesting. Bickering about who places where in a list is just tedious.
I always knew you were so wisely respected for a reason. Very knowledgeable poster
Bloody hell, Rio not eligible for a modern players draft? Never realised how old he actually is.
Cheers mate. I think you're on to something yourself with that midfield
Aye. He'd have gone in the first round otherwise.
I had a really hard time deciding between Rooney and Van Persie. Ultimately went with Robin because I needed someone who could play on the shoulders of the last defenders and make use of Iniesta's throughballs and all. Also, I already had one English player and didn't want to finish the quota for two players from one country.