De Gea Contract Situation

[Earthquake]

This is the thing most posters are happy to overlook. How can we receive all the nessecary documents 2 minutes before the deadline and still have enough time to send everything to the lfp?

You had all the necessary documents for your end for hours before the deadline. That's the point, Perez waited until we had our end complete, before starting uploading from your end. There was no need for this.

Madrid could have also spoken to the league and sent them an agreement in principle letter of the deal to the league once the bid had been accepted to buy more time.

You can do that in England, with the deal sheet, not in Spain though, incredibly strict with their deadline.

If Madrid has also uploaded their documents at 22:58 (like they were meant to) the LFP would be aware via TMS that the transfer was complete and that would have been that.

Or at any point in the 2-3 hours beforehand.

Rumour on Football Weekly that Madrid simply didn't have the money - not sure if I believe that

Sid Lowe did point out that their big purchases of late have been funded by big sales too

It wasn't a big fee when you factor in Navas, though.

Aye, it wasn't a big fee, and I'm sure the base cash fee was like between 5-9m, a portion in yearly, and 5+m in clauses.

It certainly wasn't 19m pound up front + Navas.

 

[Earthquake]

me either to be honest.....would be lovely to see a cash sticken Madrid for a few years though.....Perez stands for next election and promises the fans he will capture the signature of Lazar Markovic

That would be fantastic for them.

In Football Manager 14.

 

[MDFC Manager]

In my opinion Mendez pressed Perez to make a move and Real did but they changed their mind during negotations for some reason and did everything that a transfer will not go through.

Yup, the fact that there were contractual changes in the final hours is likely to mean that there was reluctance from Real to so the deal.

 

[Escobar]

They had a full transfer window to get the deal done. United said publicly that they only sell for the right price. So RM, for one reason or the other, waited until the very last day to make an adequate offer and throw Navas into the deal who wanted to stay. Just that alone shows that it was a huge gamble to finalize the deal in time. I still think RM did that all on purpose to show DDG they wanted him and tried "all they could" to get him. Now the president has to mouth off again to show him that it was not RM's fault in order to not upset him too much

 

[Earthquake]

Well the Caf is certainly up to speed on the niceties/nuts and bolts of transfers these days. Was away for a while, and some good posts; Madrid/Perez definitely the baddies.

This whole situation, especially with how publicly it has been battled out, has been quite the learning experience!

 

[Earthquake]

They had a full transfer window to get the deal done. United said publicly that they only sell for the right price. So RM, for one reason or the other, waited until the very last day to make an adequate offer and throw Navas into the deal who wanted to stay. Just that alone shows that it was a huge gamble to finalize the deal in time. I still think RM did that all on purpose to show DDG they wanted him and tried "all they could" to get him. Now the president has to mouth off again to show him that it was not RM's fault in order to not upset him too much

Also, it's been known all summer, if not publicly announced, that the price was roughly 40m euros, be that all money, or a percentage covered by a player swap, like Navas. Or, De Gea(valued at 40m euros) plus cash, depending on the player, like Bale, or such.

I think they'd have given a good chunk of cash + De Gea for Ramos too, and I'm very thankful that never happened.

 

[Escobar]

Also, it's been known all summer, if not publicly announced, that the price was roughly 40m euros, be that all money, or a percentage covered by a player swap, like Navas. Or, De Gea(valued at 40m euros) plus cash, depending on the player, like Bale, or such.

I think they'd have given a good chunk of cash + De Gea for Ramos too, and I'm very thankful that never happened.

Pretty much. So there is no one to blame except RM. If they don't want to part with Ramos or Bale, well, then pay 40m or leave it. Fair enough and it shows that for some reason RM was lowballing us and now it didn't work out

 

[Litch]

Something def happened IMO. Real have never worried about what other people think they pay for the cost of players irrespective of the circumstance. DDG clearly wanted to go, we named our price which was realistic for a player that's probably in the top 3 goalkeepers in the world. I get the feeling that Real aren't entirely convinced about him cause it's certainly nothing to do with the money.

 

[carvajal]

Rumour on Football Weekly that Madrid simply didn't have the money - not sure if I believe that

Sid Lowe did point out that their big purchases of late have been funded by big sales too

Are we poor? I also thought that option,something related to FFP(Catalan press wrote about that).Maybe we are saving for the next summer or for Bernabeu renewal that has been approved

 

[032Devil]

I wish both clubs would stop embarrassing themselves any further. It's cringeworthy enough as it is. This isn't how big clubs should conduct themselves.

All this one upmanship is still about winning the hand of DDG.

 

[Earthquake]

Are we poor? I also thought that option,something related to FFP(Catalan press wrote about that).Maybe we are saving for the next summer or for Bernabeu renewal that has been approved

Thought Man City were paying for that, because ya'll became bum buddies and promised not to take their players like you do to us?

BUY AGUERO YOU cnuts!!!!!

 

[Redlambs]

at 22.32 but without the signature page. Maybe that has do to with something?

Now, when Perez is complaining about United not having experience in this situations it could be that he is upset that United took time with the changes Navas (his agent) made to his contract instead of just accepting it. United maybe have held de Gea's documents for a long time but is was still sent back early enough to make this deal happen with ease. As you have asked, why did it take Real to 2 hours to send it back if they have accepted it straight away.

What I don't understand. United is saying that they have uploaded everything in time, but it was only 2 minutes before the deadline, so even if true it's not really on time as it leaves you almost no time to react. But clubs must be ready for that, so why did Real wait for United to send it back without preparing everything (you know, putting everything in end then just press "enter" when everything is ready). It's not the first time that deals are done this way so there must be a way.

And one interesting thing, Real is saying United sent documents back at 21.43, while United is saying 21.42, so the is one minute difference. United is saying that they have sent the final documents at 23.58, while Real is saying 00.00. It's only few minutes, but it made the difference.

The one thing that makes me think that Real did something wrong is the reaction Perez is having. Mentioning former transfers, transfers were we didn't even sent the offer, and supposedly some players told him they don't want to go to United because they lack experience it's not only unprofessional and childish, but it also makes him look like someone who wants to put the blame on someone else, so he is doing everything he can to achieve that.

This is exactly it.

Perez is acting like the guilty party, mudslinging and basically going on the attack.

As I said before if either Madrid or United fans believe his see-through nonsense, then more fool them.

 

[buckooo1978]

Are we poor? I also thought that option,something related to FFP(Catalan press wrote about that).Maybe we are saving for the next summer or for Bernabeu renewal that has been approved

it's a strange Summer when, after missing out on the big trophies, Madrid are outspent by teams like Atletico, Valencia, Liverpool or Milan

 

[carvajal]

Thought Man City were paying for that, because ya'll became bum buddies and promised not to take their players like you do to us?

BUY AGUERO YOU cnuts!!!!!

Haha,hopefully they are paying but I don't think that is so easy.Don't buy spanish GK when Iker starts his decline! It's your fault !

it's a strange Summer when, after missing out on the big trophies, Madrid are outspent by teams like Atletico, Valencia, Liverpool or Milan

They didn't need new players,maybe a striker but wouldn't be good idea if the club wants to see Jesé playing often.Next summer there will be many changes

 

[Earthquake]

Haha,hopefully they are paying but I don't think that is so easy.Don't buy spanish GK when Iker starts his decline! It's your fault !

They didn't need new players,maybe a striker but wouldn't be good idea if the club wants to see Jesé playing often.Next summer there will be many changes

How has Jesé recovered from his injury?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Rumour on Football Weekly that Madrid simply didn't have the money - not sure if I believe that

Sid Lowe did point out that their big purchases of late have been funded by big sales too

They should have sold us Bale then.

 

[buckooo1978]

They didn't need new players,maybe a striker but wouldn't be good idea if the club wants to see Jesé playing often.Next summer there will be many changes

maybe reflective also of the lack of top CBs/CFs out there at the minute

 

[Catt]

Are we poor? I also thought that option,something related to FFP(Catalan press wrote about that).Maybe we are saving for the next summer or for Bernabeu renewal that has been approved

Surely FFP wouldn't be an issue for Madrid? They like us can spend pretty big every summer without any problem.

 

[KeaneSixteen]

At the very least, considering both sides timeline, RM weren't showing amazing amounts of haste in the whole deal. I'm buying something on eBay even, I'm there until the last second to make sure I've got what I wanted. Their lackadaisical approach suggest they'd had a change of heart at some point.

 

[Adisa]

if you guys can remember, earlier this year or late there was a Spanish professor who specializes in Sport fiance that made the news. He was adamant that real Madrid were cash strapped. Most people dismissed the claims at the time. I will try to look for the article. But the rumours that Real don't have money have been going on for some time.

 

[Adisa]

if you guys can remember, earlier this year or late last year there was a Spanish professor who specializes in Sport fiance that made the news. He was adamant that real Madrid were cash strapped. Most people dismissed the claims at the time. I will try to look for the article. But the rumours that Real don't have money have been going on for some time.

 

[Sad Chris]

Are we poor? I also thought that option,something related to FFP(Catalan press wrote about that).Maybe we are saving for the next summer or for Bernabeu renewal that has been approved

Funny enough that was the first thing I thought when TFSW™ took over. As if you're trying to save money and plan for longer periods than just the next trophy. Who knows...

 

[Nighteyes]

I call bollocks. How come they had money to splash out on overrated second choices like Kovacic and not have the money to buy one of the best GK's in the game?

Perez and Madrid were being cnuts.

 

[dustfingers]

I call bollocks. How come they had money to splash out on overrated second choices like Kovacic and not have the money to buy one of the best GK's in the game?

Perez and Madrid were being cnuts.

perhaps they thought they were getting De Gea for free next season, spend cash on prospect Kovacic and basically had no money for De Gea deal. I am not buying this either. RM always seem to have money. May be things have changed.

 

[Kounan]

This is the thing most posters are happy to overlook. How can we receive all the nessecary documents 2 minutes before the deadline and still have enough time to send everything to the lfp?

I think it was possible, because Real said they have tried it but it was 00.02 and it was close. But the difference is that Real is saying that United have sent it at 00.00, while United is saying 23.58 which would give you enough time to do it, apparently.Also, it look like Real sent the documents needed to release de Gea at 23.55, so United couldn't really have sent it much earlier than 23.58.

Plus, it does look like Real didn't need to wait for us to do at least the preparation, but decided to wait.

As I said before, I am more interested in facts that the clubs took 8 hours, 2 hours and then another 20 minutes to send everything (United first, after that Real sending everything but not the signature page and then sending the last part only 5 minutes before the deadline).

I tend to agree with @carvajal that something else had happened, but I do think it is on Real's side because of the reaction Perez had.

 

[Ricardo de la Vega]

feck it. I don't care. If you're leaving Man United or want to your careers in the shitter anyway. Its all downhill once you leave this club. There is no bigger or better place to play football. So if De Gea wanted to leave, we scupper his move and now he's got his panties in a twist? I don't care. Deal with it Tufty.

 

[Zoo]

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[evra]

Mata is earning his crust in more ways than one.

 

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Practically holding hands. Who needs Edurne when you have your 'friend' Mata?

 

[united_99]

Is the Spanish game today in Mata's hometown/club? @carvajal

 

[Earthquake]

Is the Spanish game today in Mata's hometown/club? @carvajal

It's in Oviedo, where he grew up.

EDIT: Cazorla and Michu are from there too, IIRC.

 

[Jazz]

if you guys can remember, earlier this year or late there was a Spanish professor who specializes in Sport fiance that made the news. He was adamant that real Madrid were cash strapped. Most people dismissed the claims at the time. I will try to look for the article. But the rumours that Real don't have money have been going on for some time.

I've actually believed for the last few months that Real is having some cash flow problems. I have nothing definitive to back that up, but it wouldn't surprise me if we learn that this is true.

 

[Jazz]

Mata is earning his crust in more ways than one.

 

[jojojo]

Surely FFP wouldn't be an issue for Madrid? They like us can spend pretty big every summer without any problem.

I don't think they've got a FFP issue, but I do think they have to careful with the finances.

They've done well financially in recent years, despite Barca's success, but some of that revenue growth meant signing longterm deals that they're locked into, but are now being overtaken by the kind of money that United can get from sponsors.

They've also got a reputation as slow payers when it comes to actually buying players on instalments - so I suspect clubs are insisting on cash or bank guarantees. They could get very cheap credit, because they were considered a low risk business. However with Spain in financial crisis, and changes in the rules about loan collateral, they can't get quite such low interest rates now.

The Bernabeu redevelopment is an expensive one. Replacing Ronaldo won't come cheap, unless Bale does step up, maybe they'll take another crack at Neymar. At any rate their costs are going up and their income (relative to PL clubs in particular) is going to fall. That said, I'm sure they could have afforded DdG and it was some blend of pride and over-confidence that stopped it.

 

[Catt]

I don't think they've got a FFP issue, but I do think they have to careful with the finances.

They've done well financially in recent years, despite Barca's success, but some of that revenue growth meant signing longterm deals that they're locked into, but are now being overtaken by the kind of money that United can get from sponsors.

They've also got a reputation as slow payers when it comes to actually buying players on instalments - so I suspect clubs are insisting on cash or bank guarantees. They could get very cheap credit, because they were considered a low risk business. However with Spain in financial crisis, and changes in the rules about loan collateral, they can't get quite such low interest rates now.

The Bernabeu redevelopment is an expensive one. Replacing Ronaldo won't come cheap, unless Bale does step up, maybe they'll take another crack at Neymar. At any rate their costs are going up and their income (relative to PL clubs in particular) is going to fall. That said, I'm sure they could have afforded DdG and it was some blend of pride and over-confidence that stopped it.

Cheers Jo. No doubt they could afford DDG but it'd be fun to see them struggle a bit for a while.

 

[K2K]

I don't think they've got a FFP issue, but I do think they have to careful with the finances.

They've done well financially in recent years, despite Barca's success, but some of that revenue growth meant signing longterm deals that they're locked into, but are now being overtaken by the kind of money that United can get from sponsors.

They've also got a reputation as slow payers when it comes to actually buying players on instalments - so I suspect clubs are insisting on cash or bank guarantees. They could get very cheap credit, because they were considered a low risk business. However with Spain in financial crisis, and changes in the rules about loan collateral, they can't get quite such low interest rates now.

The Bernabeu redevelopment is an expensive one. Replacing Ronaldo won't come cheap, unless Bale does step up, maybe they'll take another crack at Neymar. At any rate their costs are going up and their income (relative to PL clubs in particular) is going to fall. That said, I'm sure they could have afforded DdG and it was some blend of pride and over-confidence that stopped it.

Barca wont make that mistake again though, Neymar's new clause will probably be as high as Messi's..the Figo thing still hurts them to this day.

 

[Clas Sified]

Barca wont make that mistake again though, Neymar's new clause will probably be as high as Messi's..the Figo thing still hurts them to this day.

Messi's release clause is still only around €250 million isn't it? I wouldn't be surprised if Barca tried to make the clause closer to Ronaldo's. (It's a billion, innit?)

 

[K2K]

Messi's release clause is still only around €250 million isn't it? I wouldn't be surprised if Barca tried to make the clause closer to Ronaldo's. (It's a billion, innit?)

Yes to both questions.. Both are ridiculous, but thats the reason they are there..the Figo thing was very very embarrassing to Barca..imagine us losing our best player to Pool without a say in the matter.

 

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[Brown Toothpick]

Thought Man City were paying for that, because ya'll became bum buddies and promised not to take their players like you do to us?

BUY AGUERO YOU cnuts!!!!!

IPIC are co-paying for the reconstruction and getting their name on the stadium.