[Bastian]

What's most disappointing isn't that he hasn't been starting games, but that he's not been on the bench when we have no recognised strikers there, like in our last game (or two). It really would have been ideal to give him game time tonight to bring him on a bit more and it's not a super risk either, at home, with club captain Rooney slotting in behind him.

@JPRouve He doesn't have the physicality yet to be an out and out lone striker (and maybe that will never be his role) but Rooney hasn't really shown any of his previous strength when he's played up front. Martial of course has been class. Fellaini has the strength, but no first touch so he's a liability up front. Given our options, it's quite bizarre that Wilson is not on the bench every single game, at least.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

On tour Wilson played as a central striker with the exception of one game when he played on the left wing. He was involved in the build-up for Lingard's goal against Barcelona, with the assist coming from Blackett. Jesse Lingard supplied the assist for Januzaj's goal late in the same game. I watched all the matches on tour. At no stage was Wilson used on the right.

So was memphis used at AM as a directory influence on how to play once he cuts in on the left wing.

The fact wilson played on the left wing is most likely to improve his abilities as a winger with his left foot; things like crossing are much easier on the left than on the right with a left footed individual. The goal scoring aspect of wilsons game doesn't need half the work as the rest of his ability as a winger.

I also saw all the pre-season games and left winger or right winger doesn't matter half as much as the fact he did not play as a striker; so i dont really know what @Pogue Mahone finds so funny.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I have seen him play and while I'm convinced that he has all the technical attributes to be a great striker, I'm unsure about his physique. He reminds me Gameiro.

Nah, he is wiry strong and already looks a man among boys when he plays for the U-21s. Some journos were even tweeting during the Everton game that he is far too good to be playing among the U-21s. I frankly don't think he's far from the first team if given the chance, he showed as much when he played last season.

If he played for any club bar Chelsea or City he'd be getting games by now.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

So was memphis used at AM as a directory influence on how to play once he cuts in on the left wing.

The fact wilson played on the left wing is most likely to improve his abilities as a winger with his left foot; things like crossing are much easier on the left than on the right with a left footed individual. The goal scoring aspect of wilsons game doesn't need half the work as the rest of his ability as a winger.

I also saw all the pre-season games and left winger or right winger doesn't matter half as much as the fact he did not play as a striker; so i dont really know what @Pogue Mahone finds so funny.

I initially found funny the way you insisted he couldn't go on loan because Van Gaal wanted him to play on the right wing, despite never once playing him in that position himself. What's even funnier is your deluded insistence he didn't play as a striker when that's exactly what he did in all but one pre-season games.

 

[JPRouve]

Nah, he is wiry strong and already looks a man among boys when he plays for the U-21s. Some journos were even tweeting during the Everton game that he is far too good to be playing among the U-21s. I frankly don't think he's far from the first team if given the chance, he showed as much when he played last season.

If he played for any club bar Chelsea or City he'd be getting games by now.

He should get games, I haven't said that he shouldn't, I said that I would like to see him on the right or left because I'm unsure about the physical part of his game, Wilson plays weak, in the game he played at professional level he played weak like Martial or Januzaj did in the past. I'm not saying that it will be the case forever but at the moment he does and since he has the ability to grind some games somewhere else, I would like to see what he can do.

 

[kundalini]

So was memphis used at AM as a directory influence on how to play once he cuts in on the left wing.

The fact wilson played on the left wing is most likely to improve his abilities as a winger with his left foot; things like crossing are much easier on the left than on the right with a left footed individual. The goal scoring aspect of wilsons game doesn't need half the work as the rest of his ability as a winger.

I also saw all the pre-season games and left winger or right winger doesn't matter half as much as the fact he did not play as a striker; so i dont really know what @Pogue Mahone finds so funny.

As far as I can tell, Wilson was used on the left wing for 45 mins in one game so LVG could take a look at Januzaj as the main striker with Pereira as no 10. In other matches Wilson was the main striker with Januzaj as no 10 and Pereira on the left, Lingard played on the right in each game he got mins. Wilson performed poorly on the tour when used as the main striker.

At the moment I would suggest that Wilson looks best suited to the type of performance we saw from him against QPR, where we have the lead but are sitting back, looking to create chances on the break. He could also be an option if we need to score but his link-up play hasn't been that great whenever he has featured in the first team. If our opponents are sitting deep then Fellaini is perhaps a more sensible option if we have players who can cross the ball.

 

[Santiago_KinderBueno]

His last game came on as a winger. He does shite all as a striker. Lets see today where he starts. If van gaal rates him at all the only position available for him is RW for now and the future.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

He should get games, I haven't said that he shouldn't, I said that I would like to see him on the right or left because I'm unsure about the physical part of his game, Wilson plays weak, in the game he played at professional level he played weak like Martial or Januzaj did in the past. I'm not saying that it will be the case forever but at the moment he does and since he has the ability to grind some games somewhere else, I would like to see what he can do.

Young men his age, put on muscle pretty fast. So I think a summer's worth of training and weight work would already have done wonders for him. IIRC someone posted a while ago that he broke Rooney's leg press record over the summer, which suggests he has developed a very strong lower body since he last played for the first team at the end of last season.

Infact watching the game yesterday I got the exact opposite impression, that the Everton defenders were struggling to cope with him physically. He got bored for a while and even started making some strong tackles in midfield.

 

[JPRouve]

Young men his age, put on muscle pretty fast. So I think a summer's worth of training and weight work would already have done wonders for him. IIRC someone posted a while ago that he broke Rooney's leg press record over the summer, which suggests he has developed a very strong lower body since he last played for the first team end the end of last season.

Infact watching the game yesterday I got the exact opposite impression, that the Everton defenders were struggling to cope with him physically. He got bored for a while and even started making some strong tackles in midfield.

Look I'm not making any projection, I'm only thinking about now and where he could play for us and gain some playing time. You don't have to convince me that he is potentially the real deal.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

His last game came on as a winger. He does shite all as a striker. Lets see today where he starts. If van gaal rates him at all the only position available for him is RW for now and the future.

More nonsense.

Oh and he won't start today. That's been established.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Look I'm not making any projection, I'm only thinking about now and where he could play for us and gain some playing time. You don't have to convince me that he is potentially the real deal.

I'm sorry if English is not your first language. This is what I read from your own post:

I'm unsure about the physical part of his game, Wilson plays weak

This is the gist of what I'm saying:

He's not weak and he can play as a center forward RIGHT NOW.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

To be fair, he didn't look physically up to PL football last season. Lost almost every physical battle he was involved in. He may well have beefed up over the summer as he's at an age where he'll suddenly stop growing taller and pack on a load of muscle. Based on first team appearances it's certainly not outrageous to say he hasn't looked the strongest (even if "weak" is a little harsh)

 

[JPRouve]

I'm sorry if English is not your first language. This is what I read from your own post:



This is the gist of what I'm saying:

He's not weak and he can play as a center forward RIGHT NOW.

And I'm unsure of that right now, in the future we will see. I want to see him upfront AND on the right and judge from that, AND at professional level.

The key point is that I'm unsure.

Edit: like Pogue said "weak" is a bit much.

 

[Rednotdead]

One thing's for sure, at the moment there's no likelihood of anyone finding out whether he's best suited to either wing or central striker.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

One thing's for sure, at the moment there's no likelihood of anyone finding out whether he's best suited to either wing or central striker.

He says, less than 24 hours after Wilson put in an excellent performance as a central striker...

 

[jb8521]

His last game came on as a winger. He does shite all as a striker. Lets see today where he starts. If van gaal rates him at all the only position available for him is RW for now and the future.

He's only ever played on the right once at any level and that was against Spurs for the u21's last year in order to accommodate Falcao. Although I agree that he has the skill set to play rw your repeated insistence that this should be his position seems to be based on nothing other than Van Gaal liking inverted wingers

 

[limerickcitykid]

IIRC someone posted a while ago that he broke Rooney's leg press record over the summer, which suggests he has developed a very strong lower body since he last played for the first team at the end of last season.

That was last January. He has always had extremely powerful legs and Butt or Scholes said near the end of the 13-14 season he has the best standing jump they've ever seen, he also generates a great amount of power from a standing shot and powerful legs obviously help with his explosive pace as well.

 

[Ole'sbodyguard]

He says, less than 24 hours after Wilson put in an excellent performance as a central striker...

I get what you have been saying in this thread Pogue but are you not surprised we can't even find a spot for Wilson on the bench in the Carling cup?

It's purely an issue to do with the squad for me. Wilson's the 4 choice striker if you include Fellaini as a number 9 and for him to not even to be considered I have got to assume that means that we are going to be using more members of the first than than usual. Just find that odd with United being back in the Champions league, especially when LVG himself said that the players were tired in the last 15 minutes against Southampton after the PSV game.

 

[FromTheBench]

It's fairly obvious what's happened here. We couldn't let Wilson go out on loan with Rooney the only striker at the club and the timing of the Martial signing meant it left us little or no time to find the right loan for him. Sending players out on loan always carries a risk that it will feck up their development far worse than staying put, if they end up with the wrong manager/team. I'd far rather he stays put until January then get rushed off somewhere where he'll get no more minutes and train/play with a load of donkeys. It really is fecking tedious the way people will use anything as a means to have a pop at the club/manager these days. Well I say "these days" but this forum has always had people who insist they know more about developing young players than the coaching staff at Manchester United but they do seem a lot more numerous/vocal in the post-Fergie era.

Half of the championship clubs want him. 4/5 managers have said openly.

Don't think finding a good loan would be that tough. Even could be put into the loan contract.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Half of the championship clubs want him. 4/5 managers have said openly.

Don't think finding a good loan would be that tough. Even could be put into the loan contract.

Aye we could always recall him and he is young enough to go on a youth loan anyway which allows him to train with us and play u21 matches.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I get what you have been saying in this thread Pogue but are you not surprised we can't even find a spot for Wilson on the bench in the Carling cup?

It's purely an issue to do with the squad for me. Wilson's the 4 choice striker if you include Fellaini as a number 9 and for him to not even to be considered I have got to assume that means that we are going to be using more members of the first than than usual. Just find that odd with United being back in the Champions league, especially when LVG himself said that the players were tired in the last 15 minutes against Southampton after the PSV game.

I'm also disappointed he's not going to feature tonight, don't get me wrong. Just don't buy the idea we're somehow ruining him by not sending him out on loan immediately. I have mixed feelings about the loan system anyway. So hard to get it right.

 

[Sam]

Him and Lingard can't even make the bench for a game against Ipswich? Hardly encouraging stuff really

Really don't understand why they're being kept at club, while Januzaj is given a loan.

 

[RedMachine03]

Him and Lingard can't even make the bench for a game against Ipswich? Hardly encouraging stuff really

Really don't understand why they're being kept at club, while Januzaj is given a loan.

They played on Monday.

 

[Sam]

They played on Monday.

Exactly....for the reserves.

 

[GloryHunter07]

This is really really silly.

 

[ZDwyr]

What has his form been like for the U/21s this season? For anyone that watches them regularly.

 

[Simbo]

Rested for the weekend maybe?

 

[limerickcitykid]

What has his form been like for the U/21s this season? For anyone that watches them regularly.

Only played 1 game just on Monday where he scored and I think got an assist. Looked clearly above the level but then he looked above the level by the end of the 13-14 season too.

 

[ZDwyr]

Only played 1 game just on Monday where he scored and I think got an assist. Looked clearly above the level but then he looked above the level by the end of the 13-14 season too.

Cheers for that.

 

[Brightonian]

Rested for the weekend maybe?

You have to imagine that at some point he will at least be on the bench. We can't have abandoned plans to send him on loan with the intention of never letting him on a football pitch again.

 

[starman]

Makes no sense to play him a reserve game on the Monday when there is a League Cup the next day. Unless there are a injury crisis, i dont see him getting any games

 

[Varun]

Rested for the weekend maybe?

Wishful thinking. It was a strange decision.

 

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[Jerch]

I'm sad for him that he don't make a bench anymore when he was quite regular on the bench last season even if we had RVP, Rooney and Falcao as strikers. LVG said himself that it will do no good to his development if he have another season like last one when he just can't break in the first team but in the end he didn't go on loan. I saw Gary, i think it was post-match against Liverpool, moaning that he doesn't know what is happening with him.
It is clear that he have a great potential but he need to play to develop. We will play a lot of games this season, especially if we go far in the CL and in the cups so i hope he will get a lot of opportunities. TBF he didn't used the opportunities last season very well as a striker, in the pre-season he played on the wing 2 or 3 times if i am not mistaken, can he do the job on the wing in the first team?

 

[Rockets Redglare]

Nice to see him get a run out, he looked lively. Some nice link up and movement with Martial as well.

 

[Devil may care]

Looked sharp and lively when he came on, added some much needed pace.

 

[ivaldo]

Looked very good when he came on, hopefully will get some more game time in the future, will give some of the other lads a rest.

 

[khoazany]

About time we go for pace upfront with him and Martial.

 

[FromTheBench]

Won't mind him and Martial starting a game together.

 

[Devil81]

Why is this lad not getting any football, it's madness really.