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Thought this would be the case as there was no way that de was happening if you intended to stay on.

Big Andy got a lot of shit for doing this with alcacer, surprised RS went ahead to do the deal instead of saying it wasn't right.

A manager going leaving a club should either do a fair deal or none at all and leave it to their successor.
 

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Alacacer is a young 90 rated striker. Ntcham is 80 rated and hasn't started for a while so I'll cancel the deal. I don't care and can't be bothered if you all decide to have a pissy fit.

There is no morales in this league. It's all cloak and daggers and people shitting on others.
 

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Can we get RS for a lifetime achievement 2015 award, as he is a bit of a ledge and and actual top lad?

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Can we get RS for a lifetime achievement 2015 award, as he is a bit of a ledge and and actual top lad?

#VoteRedSky
<3 But yeah won't happen. I think the most votes I've ever had in one of these things is like 3 and that was when I went through my war against pogue.

fwiw, I already miss you in here. *sniff* I remember that beautiful day when we plotted to steal Cavani and Falcao off Stoke. Those were the glory years.
 

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<3 But yeah won't happen. I think the most votes I've ever had in one of these things is like 3 and that was when I went through my war against pogue.

fwiw, I already miss you in here. *sniff* I remember that beautiful day when we plotted to steal Cavani and Falcao off Stoke. Those were the glory years.
Shame man. I know how sensible you are in terms of targets and what our current team is capable of.

In my old job we talked good football shit a lot. Great times, just shame I didn't have chat function in my new job :(


We both don't post in football form for same reason. And it looks like our Lingard fears (in comparison to Adnan) were reality
 

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Alacacer is a young 90 rated striker. Ntcham is 80 rated and hasn't started for a while so I'll cancel the deal. I don't care and can't be bothered if you all decide to have a pissy fit.

There is no morales in this league. It's all cloak and daggers and people shitting on others.
Why do the player ratings matter? If it isn't fair for a 90 rated player, it isn't fair for a 75 rated one either. Considering the amount of flak big Andy and MJJ got for the alcacer deal, why wouldn't people point out the same here?

I'm genuinely confused by the last bit. Are you justifying your deal saying people have no morals so it's fine for you to do the deal? Or are you saying the deal was absolutely fair and you're being unfairly pulled up because people just want to "shit on others"?

Fwiw, If people want to go the old way where it's every man for himself with 80 man squads, looting unmanaged clubs, etc, I will be fine to go along with it. It benefits the big clubs anyways. But if we take the fair route, it's gotta be the same for everyone.

Really odd how no one but gs commented on the deal considering the amount of shit that got flung during the alcacer case.
 

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Why do the player ratings matter? If it isn't fair for a 90 rated player, it isn't fair for a 75 rated one either. Considering the amount of flak big Andy and MJJ got for the alcacer deal, why wouldn't people point out the same here?

I'm genuinely confused by the last bit. Are you justifying your deal saying people have no morals so it's fine for you to do the deal? Or are you saying the deal was absolutely fair and you're being unfairly pulled up because people just want to "shit on others"?

Fwiw, If people want to go the old way where it's every man for himself with 80 man squads, looting unmanaged clubs, etc, I will be fine to go along with it. It benefits the big clubs anyways. But if we take the fair route, it's gotta be the same for everyone.

Really odd how no one but gs commented on the deal considering the amount of shit that got flung during the alcacer case.
I didn't really go on SM much yesterday and didn't really see this thread bumped either (was mainly dealing with award thread and playing GTA to keep my mind occupied) but I agree about selling players for base price. With Mina I paid max.

I thought RS told Sean about Ntcham in the first place but looking back via search I guess he didn't.

Doesn't look like he's played much for Genoa of late. Is he that good?
 

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I didn't really go on SM much yesterday and didn't really see this thread bumped either (was mainly dealing with award thread and playing GTA to keep my mind occupied) but I agree about selling players for base price. With Mina I paid max.

I thought RS told Sean about Ntcham in the first place but looking back via search I guess he didn't.

Doesn't look like he's played much for Genoa of late. Is he that good?
Lawnmo didn't sell you Mina because he was going to leave the game though, he sold him because he got a price he wanted. This deal's only being done because seann is quitting which is like the alcacer deal where big Andy was selling him because he wasn't going to continue at the club.

Re ntcham, supposed to be a very big talent. Not sure why he isn't playing as I don't really follow my own player's during the season, let alone others. I'm not interested in signing him either, don't have room for another kid, that's not why I pointed the deal out. It's just not a fair deal and I'm sure there would be plenty others interested if he's being sold for cash.
 

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Grilitch +3 to 78
Sturaro + to 87 (Should have been 88 really given he's a regular now). Was 78 when I signed him.

Surprisingly no rise for Cataldi. Thought he deserved a +1.
 

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Why do the player ratings matter? If it isn't fair for a 90 rated player, it isn't fair for a 75 rated one either. Considering the amount of flak big Andy and MJJ got for the alcacer deal, why wouldn't people point out the same here?

I'm genuinely confused by the last bit. Are you justifying your deal saying people have no morals so it's fine for you to do the deal? Or are you saying the deal was absolutely fair and you're being unfairly pulled up because people just want to "shit on others"?

Fwiw, If people want to go the old way where it's every man for himself with 80 man squads, looting unmanaged clubs, etc, I will be fine to go along with it. It benefits the big clubs anyways. But if we take the fair route, it's gotta be the same for everyone.

Really odd how no one but gs commented on the deal considering the amount of shit that got flung during the alcacer case.
Its shit the way the rules keep changing on the fly to suit the needs of a few.
;)
 

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Why do the player ratings matter? If it isn't fair for a 90 rated player, it isn't fair for a 75 rated one either. Considering the amount of flak big Andy and MJJ got for the alcacer deal, why wouldn't people point out the same here?

I'm genuinely confused by the last bit. Are you justifying your deal saying people have no morals so it's fine for you to do the deal? Or are you saying the deal was absolutely fair and you're being unfairly pulled up because people just want to "shit on others"?

Fwiw, If people want to go the old way where it's every man for himself with 80 man squads, looting unmanaged clubs, etc, I will be fine to go along with it. It benefits the big clubs anyways. But if we take the fair route, it's gotta be the same for everyone.

Really odd how no one but gs commented on the deal considering the amount of shit that got flung during the alcacer case.
Struggling to see how you can't figure out the difference between a 21 year old 90 rated player and a 19 year old 80 rated. Andy got so much stick because he was moving to a different club and selling his best player and one of the best youngsters in the game. Sean was leaving the game and selling a young kid with potential who's barely played any football in the last month and a half. The cases are extremely different, the only similarity is it was a player being sold before a manager was leaving.

There have been plenty of dodgy deals that have happened and people don't give a shit. Normally they involve MJJ so him moaning is fecking hilarious frankly. Anyway I cancelled the deal ages ago. So feck off,
 

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I thought RS told Sean about Ntcham in the first place but looking back via search I guess he didn't.
Nah, although even if that was the case it doesn't matter as I tend to get fecked over anyway :p

Doesn't look like he's played much for Genoa of late. Is he that good?
Which is why i'm perfectly happy cancelling the deal. He was being touted as a Yaya/Pogba replacement in September but has been dropped since.
 

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Struggling to see how you can't figure out the difference between a 21 year old 90 rated player and a 19 year old 80 rated. Andy got so much stick because he was moving to a different club and selling his best player and one of the best youngsters in the game. Sean was leaving the game and selling a young kid with potential who's barely played any football in the last month and a half. The cases are extremely different, the only similarity is it was a player being sold before a manager was leaving.

There have been plenty of dodgy deals that have happened and people don't give a shit. Normally they involve MJJ so him moaning is fecking hilarious frankly. Anyway I cancelled the deal ages ago. So feck off,
Where have I moaned? I havent said one word about the deal but your hypocrisy and defensiveness is "fecking hilarious"
 

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Where have I moaned? I havent said one word about the deal but your hypocrisy and defensiveness is "fecking hilarious"
:confused:

Its shit the way the rules keep changing on the fly to suit the needs of a few.
Feel free to point out my hypocrisy and i'll point out the errors in your thinking and we'll have a big man hug at the end and shit on SM HQ's.
 

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Feel free to point out my hypocrisy and i'll point out the errors in your thinking and we'll have a big man hug at the end and shit on SM HQ's.
That post was about not being able to buy from unmanaged clubs, not your ntcham deal. I quoted it after you cancelled it since it is apt. The hypocrisy is the same one we argued about before, when you loaned that kid to someone with a buy back/first refusal clause(cant rememebr the name). The player rating shouldn't matter and how everyone first tried to sign paco then cried about big andy leaving the club and selling him once they knew they cant buy him.
 

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That post was about not being able to buy from unmanaged clubs, not your ntcham deal. I quoted it after you cancelled it since it is apt. The hypocrisy is the same one we argued about before, when you loaned that kid to someone with a buy back/first refusal clause(cant rememebr the name). The player rating shouldn't matter and how everyone first tried to sign paco then cried about big andy leaving the club and selling him once they knew they cant buy him.
Thing is MJJ, Buy Back and First Refusal are very different. First Refusal is a fairer option as it allows any club to have a chance to sign the player. Buyback gives no other club a chance of buying the player.

Buyback: Should the original selling club bid a set amount the buy back is triggered. The figure doesn't change.
First Refusal: Should the player have a bid, the selling club must match the bid to trigger the buy back.

You used Buyback, I used First Refusal. I used first refusal on a 75 rated youngster, you used buyback on one of the best young players in the game.

Buyback:
  • Frees up 1 player cap
  • Frees up 90 rated wage (45k)
  • Removes any concerns he had
  • Allows you to sign 90 rated for a fixed sum
  • Manager could go back on his deal and not sell you the player (that's a matter of making sure you sell to the right manager)
First Refusal:
  • Frees up 1 player cap
  • Frees up 75 rated wage (7k)
  • Someone could bid more and buy the player
Feel free to add more if you can think of any, black = positive, red = negative. You can therefore see that the situations were different, player ratings should obviously matter because their are gameplay features like concerns/wages that are rating based and therefore you are (cleverly) getting round.

Also I do see your point about everyone trying to sign Paco before leaving. But then again, everyone was maxing out the bid, so although cheeky, it was for a substantial sum of money and from memory you bid much less and bought him back. That's from memory though so could be very wrong on that. Apologies if I am. Anyway, I won't post anymore on the subject so i'll let you have the final word if you wish so.
 

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Feck me, what's the point it continuing now then? :( It seems as if many of you are on your way out. It will hardly be worth continuing soon if this leaving trend continues.
:lol: thats why I have hardly been online nowadays since its not worth putting the time and effort in given how SM is.
 

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Thing is MJJ, Buy Back and First Refusal are very different. First Refusal is a fairer option as it allows any club to have a chance to sign the player. Buyback gives no other club a chance of buying the player.

Buyback: Should the original selling club bid a set amount the buy back is triggered. The figure doesn't change.
First Refusal: Should the player have a bid, the selling club must match the bid to trigger the buy back.

You used Buyback, I used First Refusal. I used first refusal on a 75 rated youngster, you used buyback on one of the best young players in the game.

Buyback:
  • Frees up 1 player cap
  • Frees up 90 rated wage (45k)
  • Removes any concerns he had
  • Allows you to sign 90 rated for a fixed sum
  • Manager could go back on his deal and not sell you the player (that's a matter of making sure you sell to the right manager)
First Refusal:
  • Frees up 1 player cap
  • Frees up 75 rated wage (7k)
  • Someone could bid more and buy the player
Feel free to add more if you can think of any, black = positive, red = negative. You can therefore see that the situations were different, player ratings should obviously matter because their are gameplay features like concerns/wages that are rating based and therefore you are (cleverly) getting round.

Also I do see your point about everyone trying to sign Paco before leaving. But then again, everyone was maxing out the bid, so although cheeky, it was for a substantial sum of money and from memory you bid much less and bought him back. That's from memory though so could be very wrong on that. Apologies if I am. Anyway, I won't post anymore on the subject so i'll let you have the final word if you wish so.
Lolzy.
 

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I suggested that Stain but I only know database management and graphics. Need a coding junky to do the harder work.

I'd easily get all of the features designed and thought out (it's what I do for a living). Complete with shitty excel tests! :lol:
 

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I'd easily get all of the features designed and thought out (it's what I do for a living).
Thanks, Sherlock. :lol:

I mean, nobody would have had a clue about that, it's not like you don't use your skills here on the caf for everything from SM bar charts to statistic flow charts (lel) and WW Pokémon fights and graphics. :p
 

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Struggling to see how you can't figure out the difference between a 21 year old 90 rated player and a 19 year old 80 rated. Andy got so much stick because he was moving to a different club and selling his best player and one of the best youngsters in the game. Sean was leaving the game and selling a young kid with potential who's barely played any football in the last month and a half. The cases are extremely different, the only similarity is it was a player being sold before a manager was leaving.

There have been plenty of dodgy deals that have happened and people don't give a shit. Normally they involve MJJ so him moaning is fecking hilarious frankly. Anyway I cancelled the deal ages ago. So feck off,
A rigged deal is a rigged deal RS, doesn't matter what rating or age. Or are we going to come up with some rating/age acceptability scale?

I don't remember any other rigged deal other than the alcacer one. If I had or do going forwards, I will call the people out as I do give a shit. Can't help it if it hurts the people concerned btw because they shouldn't be doing it in the first place. It's nothing personal.