Mourinho sacked

[stevoc]

Really? In between his two stints they won 1 PL title, 3 FA Cups, the UCL and the UEL. He was looking likely to win absolutely nothing this season so it would've been 1 PL title and 1 League Cup in 3 seasons - not much better than what they'd done without him, really.

Yes really, how many coaches out there are better than Jose. Pep maybe and thats about it.

He won them 2 out of 3 PL titles and five trophies all together first time around, after he was sacked they won one out of six titles. He returns and they win the league again for the first time in 5 years in his second season.

One bad season no matter how bad doesn't change the fact he is one of the world's top 2-3 coaches. And won't be easily replaced and certainly not by someone as good who's going to stick around for anything more than 3-4 years at best.

 

[Member 5225]

Jose Mourinho has asked Roman Abramovich not to bring Pep Guardiola to Chelsea – report

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/18/jose-...iola-to-chelsea-report-5573969/#ixzz3uhLDCLXv

 

[Drifter]

If true .Why does he have a say on who or who shouldn't be coming to the club.

 

[Brophs]

Jose Mourinho has asked Roman Abramovich not to bring Pep Guardiola to Chelsea – report

http://metro.co.uk/2015/12/18/jose-...iola-to-chelsea-report-5573969/#ixzz3uhLDCLXv

At least it gave Abramovich the chance to say "feck off, Jose" one last time.

 

[JPRouve]

If true .Why does he have a say on who or who shouldn't be coming to the club.

If he agreed to leave the club with less money than his contract stipulates, he can have some exigencies.

 

[Stretford End Phil]

I think we've entered the pundit's silly season.

 

[Brwned]

I think most Chelsea fans would disagree with you.

You're probably right but most Chelsea fans were bizarrely enchanted with Mourinho, which is what makes this even funnier to be fair. They really deified him.

1 Champions League, 1 Europa League, 1 Premier League, 3 FA Cups, another Champions League final and two 2nd place finishes in the PL in 6 seasons is comparable to what Mourinho achieved in ~7 seasons, IMO. We can't just ignore the fact he left them in a mess in his last season both times, and 3 titles in the other 6 seasons is easily comparable to winning the league, the CL, the EL and the FA Cup three times - especially when they challenged for the CL and the PL regularly outside of that too.

There's nothing to suggest Mourinho would've had that kind of European success and his domestic success doesn't really overshadow it, for me.

 

[AshfordLad]

exactly.

People underestimate how much frustation the Scousers had build up over the years. Had they won that title, it would have all come out.

Even before they had won the title, they were getting increasingly smug. A lot of Pool fans suddenly appeared here on the caf, Liverpool fans suddenly reappearing out of nowhere in everyday life, the cringy 'makeusdream' nonsense on social media.

Just imagine if they had won.

Thank you Jose, for that at least.

Easily among my top 10 away days. Covered up my kit and bought a bunch of "champions" branded stuff from their stalls after that game.

Once in a while id gift the odd thing to my dipper "mates", sets them alight right away.

 

[Cheesy]

You're probably right but most Chelsea fans were bizarrely enchanted with Mourinho, which is what makes this even funnier to be fair. They really deified him.

1 Champions League, 1 Europa League, 1 Premier League, 3 FA Cups, another Champions League final and two 2nd place finishes in the PL in 6 seasons is comparable to what Mourinho achieved in ~7 seasons, IMO. We can't just ignore the fact he left them in a mess in his last season both times, and 3 titles in the other 6 seasons is easily comparable to winning the league, the CL, the EL and the FA Cup three times - especially when they challenged for the CL and the PL regularly outside of that too.

There's nothing to suggest Mourinho would've had that kind of European success and his domestic success doesn't really overshadow it, for me.

He didn't leave them in a mess at all the first time. They'd hit a little bit of dodgy form, but still managed to compete for the title and reached the CL final with a core squad that mostly remained for Ancelotti's double success in 2010. I don't see how that's exactly a mess.

Until this season, he'd mostly been incredibly successful while there. In five full seasons, he'd won three league titles, and never lost out by more than 6 points, whilst never finishing below 83 points. It's easy to see why fans adored him; they were consistently competitive, and often successful under him.

Their CL win was renowned for being incredibly fluky, and while FA Cup successes are undoubtedly enjoyable, it doesn't compare to a league win. Outside of Mourinho's seasons at the club, they've only ever won the league once, seen themselves finish comfortable distances from the title, and even ended up 6th one season. Ancelotti's 2009/2010 double winning season is, thus far, the only non-Mourinho season where Chelsea were able to realistically call themselves the best team in the league since Abramovic took over. By contrast, Mourinho had given them three full seasons in which they were undoubtedly the league's best side.

Obviously his diabolical season changes aspects of that a little. He probably had them on course for their worst ever PL season in the Abramovic era, but it's easy to see why Chelsea fans held him in such a high regard. He was their greatest ever manager, and his achievements comfortably outweigh those of any other Chelsea managers since him time there. Only Ancelotti really came close with his first season there.

 

[AshfordLad]

You're probably right but most Chelsea fans were bizarrely enchanted with Mourinho, which is what makes this even funnier to be fair. They really deified him.

1 Champions League, 1 Europa League, 1 Premier League, 3 FA Cups, another Champions League final and two 2nd place finishes in the PL in 6 seasons is comparable to what Mourinho achieved in ~7 seasons, IMO. We can't just ignore the fact he left them in a mess in his last season both times, and 3 titles in the other 6 seasons is easily comparable to winning the league, the CL, the EL and the FA Cup three times - especially when they challenged for the CL and the PL regularly outside of that too.

There's nothing to suggest Mourinho would've had that kind of European success and his domestic success doesn't really overshadow it, for me.

The team which won the most of those trophies was the team Mourinho had put together. Once that team started to fall apart, we started to look a million miles away from challenging. CL was a series of freak results, no one gave a feck about el back then and.

If Mourinho had not come in 2013, Chelsea would be nowhere near challenging for the league and would have probably missed top 4 as well.

 

[FCBarca]

Let's not forget how much money he had at his disposal as well. Not sure any coach has ever had more and done less than Mou

 

[AshfordLad]

Let's not forget how much money he had at his disposal as well. Not sure any coach has ever had more and done less than Mou

What a straight out of arse comment. Mourinho spend per trophy is economy class compared to everyone else bar Simeone.

 

[FCBarca]

What a straight out of arse comment. Mourinho spend per trophy is economy class compared to everyone else bar Simeone.

I suppose if you discarded his years at RM & Chelsea but since he had carte blanche, far from accurate

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[AshfordLad]

I suppose if you discarded his years at RM & Chelsea but since he had carte blanche, far from accurate

His spend at real madrid was peanuts compared to what real normally spend. He has hardly spend much at chelsea this time. At inter he spend just €20m/season and spent practically nothing at porto.

The only time you can claim Mourinho was splurging was at chelsea from 2004-06. Compare this to Guardiola and you will see the difference.

EDIT: and now you have added a twitter post from some dipper loon to prove your point. Numbers are incorrect and massively mis-represented as they dont take player sales into account.

 

[justboy68]

The team which won the most of those trophies was the team Mourinho had put together. Once that team started to fall apart, we started to look a million miles away from challenging. CL was a series of freak results, no one gave a feck about el back then and.

If Mourinho had not come in 2013, Chelsea would be nowhere near challenging for the league and would have probably missed top 4 as well.

Success was coming either way with Abramovic pumping the money in. There's no doubt about it. Look at City/PSG they both got success once the money started rolling in and they didn't need Mourinho to do it. Of course, he did a good job for you - very good even - but you would have had similar success without him, just as you will have success in the future without him if Roman keeps reaching into his pockets. Which is why in this position, where he has fallen out with just about everyone and you are sitting hopelessly in the table, sacking him is clearly the correct decision. His best jobs were Porto and Inter without a doubt.

 

[AshfordLad]

Success was coming either way with Abramovic pumping the money in. There's no doubt about it. Look at City/PSG they both got success once the money started rolling in and they didn't need Mourinho to do it. Of course, he did a good job for you - very good even - but you would have had similar success without him, just as you will have success in the future without him if Roman keeps reaching into his pockets. Which is why in this position, where he has fallen out with just about everyone and you are sitting hopelessly in the table, sacking him is clearly the correct decision. His best jobs were Porto and Inter without a doubt.

Abrahmovic putting in money and that money being enough to match the money United and city spend, both big assumptions. By all indications abrahmovic is not going to put in his own money anymore and even if he did it would still not be good enough to match the limitless pot of money the arabs come with.

Mourinho was one of the 2 maybe 3 managers who could keep Chelsea competitive with their (otherwise massive) but no doubt very limited revenue compared to United and city.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

There's a shit load of managers who'd do a better job than Mourinho could at Chelsea. He's set you back a few years with his terrible decisions to let big players go (and replace them with crap) as well as failing to blood any youth.

 

[AshfordLad]

Always suspected shitloads meant 1 on merseyside.

 

[K2K]

Easily among my top 10 away days. Covered up my kit and bought a bunch of "champions" branded stuff from their stalls after that game.

Once in a while id gift the odd thing to my dipper "mates", sets them alight right away.

Wasnt it the game with the pre-game victory parade? and the Moyes statue?

I would have loved to be there too, Jose's celebration while struggling with the flu is a memory that sticks in the mind certainly.

 

[Cheech Wizard]

He's on The Claire Balding Show now on BBC2. Pre-recorded obviously. "He's one of the greatest ever, please welcome the man who has won everything!" horrible timing.

 

[Miscemayl]

Anyone seen the article about Terry's Instagram?

Pity he didn't do the business as captain while Mourinho was still there eh?

 

[Mogget]

Abrahmovic putting in money and that money being enough to match the money United and city spend, both big assumptions. By all indications abrahmovic is not going to put in his own money anymore and even if he did it would still not be good enough to match the limitless pot of money the arabs come with.

Mourinho was one of the 2 maybe 3 managers who could keep Chelsea competitive with their (otherwise massive) but no doubt very limited revenue compared to United and city.

Like he has done this season after he couldn't buy whoever he wanted in the summer?

 

[SteveJ]

'Jeremy Vine of the BBC has written an open letter to Mourinho.'
Yes, it's every bit as bad as you imagine:

"Mourinho is off his rocker," I said, "but so are all the great artists." I mentioned Salvador Dali and Van Morrison to explain why sometimes the tortured soul makes the best art.

'BBC Radio 2 presenter Jeremy Vine has been a Chelsea season ticket holder for 20 years. Here he pours out his feelings in a letter to sacked Blues manager Jose Mourinho':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35129915

 

[AshfordLad]

Wasnt it the game with the pre-game victory parade? and the Moyes statue?

I would have loved to be there too, Jose's celebration while struggling with the flu is a memory that sticks in the mind certainly.

Yep. that was the one with the flares and all. The pests were buying "champions 19" merchendise without a shread of an idea of whats going to hit them.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

That has to burn.

Can't deny it.

 

[Raees]

He's on The Claire Balding Show now on BBC2. Pre-recorded obviously. "He's one of the greatest ever, please welcome the man who has won everything!" horrible timing.

Yes but on the show he admits he has learnt a lot about himself during this difficult period. I think he will learn from the experience and be better for it... the first problem is, how quick can he digest what has happened and turn it into something positive. The second problem is will he be able to command teams in the same way ever again... being sacked in such a terrible and embarrassing manner.. with his lack of a playing background, he will find it difficult to demand that same level of respect when things get bad at the next club. I actually think United is the type of club where the players are more receptive to someone who may undergo a difficult patch and less likely to rebel/with great support from the board too.. so Jose may 'heal' if he was to come to a stable club like ours and be allowed to work through his current flaws.

Most great winners and I include Jose in this group, always show resilience and come back better. It does take time though.. ideally he'd take a few years out before coming back with a bang but he can't afford to do that because his great rivals are also on the move and are after jobs he may covet himself.

As to the sacking itself, I can't imagine how the Chelsea fans feel.. he is their Fergie and he will never be in their dugout ever again, that is a pretty hard pill to swallow and I can understand why they're super emotional at the moment even though the right decision has probably been made. I don't think Jose had the skill set to get out of this situation, he is too immature at this moment in time and only upon reflection can he develop the skills to manage such a situation better. He simply had to go and whilst the players also have to take a huge portion of the blame (me personally I do not think they're as good as they think they are and will not go on to become a title winning side unless a major revamp is carried out) ... it was Jose who had simply pressed the self-destruction button and gave up on trying to manage the club out of this situation.

If he had stayed calm, accepted the situation for what it was and kept an open line of communication with the board.. he could have taken his time, weeded out the bad apples and rebuilt the team through acquiring players with a better mentality. I think he didn't have the stomach for the fight and I put that down to the fact he a) wasn't as highly motivated as he once was/his love for Chelsea wasn't what it once was b) realised that the board wouldn't support him if he needed to revamp the squad c) is an impatient man and due to being such a successful manager.. the thought of spending the best years of his life building up a team for a club he doesn't really care for and possibly not even winning trophies during this period just didn't appeal to him. I doubt he'd lack motivation at a club like United.. I really do.

I think he's never found his true home as a manager... he might give off the impression he loves being a nomad but at this stage in his career.. I think he'd love to manage a truly big superpower in either Spain/England and just settle there. No other big club apart from United can give you that though... Barca/Real are so intense, short term managers are essential and that leaves United as the most coveted job in management. It is Jose's dream club... the one he'd give anything for.

 

[Successful]

I didn't think I would ever say this but I really don't want Mourinho in this club. He's so short sighted it's ridiculous. He's also terrible with relations within the club. How the feck do you manage to get in a row with your medical team???? If you look at a team like Inter, what kind of future was he building when playing Etoo out wide? It worked very well for a period and was exactly what they needed in THAT very match. Today there's no legacy at all.

He's also terrible when it comes to the media. Putting too much focus on the club, himself and the players. He could chose to shut the feck up a lot more often.

Developing youth players... Where do you even begin? Chelsea has produced absolutely NOTHING - and most of that is due to Mourinhos legacy. They don't even get a look in.

If we want to win the league next season, yes Mourinho can make that happen with a couple of signings. The cost of that will be the future and our club reputation as a gentleman club.

 

[Tommy]

Let's not forget how much money he had at his disposal as well. Not sure any coach has ever had more and done less than Mou

LVG?
Hehe

 

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[Xaviesta]

Is that you in that video @duffer?

 

[K2K]

Yep. that was the one with the flares and all. The pests were buying "champions 19" merchendise without a shread of an idea of whats going to hit them.

brilliant

They'll never admit it, but that definitely still hurts them.

 

[K2K]

Yes but on the show he admits he has learnt a lot about himself during this difficult period. I think he will learn from the experience and be better for it... the first problem is, how quick can he digest what has happened and turn it into something positive. The second problem is will he be able to command teams in the same way ever again... being sacked in such a terrible and embarrassing manner.. with his lack of a playing background, he will find it difficult to demand that same level of respect when things get bad at the next club. I actually think United is the type of club where the players are more receptive to someone who may undergo a difficult patch and less likely to rebel/with great support from the board too.. so Jose may 'heal' if he was to come to a stable club like ours and be allowed to work through his current flaws.

Most great winners and I include Jose in this group, always show resilience and come back better. It does take time though.. ideally he'd take a few years out before coming back with a bang but he can't afford to do that because his great rivals are also on the move and are after jobs he may covet himself.

As to the sacking itself, I can't imagine how the Chelsea fans feel.. he is their Fergie and he will never be in their dugout ever again, that is a pretty hard pill to swallow and I can understand why they're super emotional at the moment even though the right decision has probably been made. I don't think Jose had the skill set to get out of this situation, he is too immature at this moment in time and only upon reflection can he develop the skills to manage such a situation better. He simply had to go and whilst the players also have to take a huge portion of the blame (me personally I do not think they're as good as they think they are and will not go on to become a title winning side unless a major revamp is carried out) ... it was Jose who had simply pressed the self-destruction button and gave up on trying to manage the club out of this situation.

If he had stayed calm, accepted the situation for what it was and kept an open line of communication with the board.. he could have taken his time, weeded out the bad apples and rebuilt the team through acquiring players with a better mentality. I think he didn't have the stomach for the fight and I put that down to the fact he a) wasn't as highly motivated as he once was/his love for Chelsea wasn't what it once was b) realised that the board wouldn't support him if he needed to revamp the squad c) is an impatient man and due to being such a successful manager.. the thought of spending the best years of his life building up a team for a club he doesn't really care for and possibly not even winning trophies during this period just didn't appeal to him. I doubt he'd lack motivation at a club like United.. I really do.

I think he's never found his true home as a manager... he might give off the impression he loves being a nomad but at this stage in his career.. I think he'd love to manage a truly big superpower in either Spain/England and just settle there. No other big club apart from United can give you that though... Barca/Real are so intense, short term managers are essential and that leaves United as the most coveted job in management. It is Jose's dream club... the one he'd give anything for.

very good post.

 

[Drifter]

Jose Mourinho will not be taking sabbatical after Chelsea sacking

Jose Mourinho will not be taking a break following his sacking by Chelsea on Thursday.
The Portuguese manager was dismissed after nine defeats in 16 Premier League games this season which left the Blues one point above the relegation zone.
"He will not be taking a sabbatical, he isn't tired, he doesn't need it," said a statement from the agency which represents the 52-year-old.
"He is very positive and is already looking forward."
Former Netherlands boss Guus Hiddink is set to succeed Mourinho and become Chelsea's interim manager for the rest of the campaign.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35140871

 

[Adisa]

My biggest problem with him is that clubs might as well shut down their academy when he's in charge.

 

[Raees]

My biggest problem with him is that clubs might as well shut down their academy when he's in charge.

He is not good at utilising academy level talent.. but he is exceptional with the 23-26 age bracket. He can create 'stars' and mould potentially top players.. but I just don't think he has had the patience or the right club where he can actually look at the long term picture of the club as well. I doubt he's been at a club where he truly cares if it does well in the long term.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

He is not good at utilising academy level talent.. but he is exceptional with the 23-26 age bracket. He can create 'stars' and mould potentially top players.. but I just don't think he has had the patience or the right club where he can actually look at the long term picture of the club as well. I doubt he's been at a club where he truly cares if it does well in the long term.

That's a shit excuse. We've heard that so many times now - remember the Chelsea fans proclaiming that he was starting to change his youth policy? Might have to bump that thread, makes Kentonio look like a right spanner.

It sums up his approach anyway. Other managers try to blood youth regardless of how long they plan on staying. It's good management to ensure you don't leave the place in a mess unlike Mourinho.

 

[SteveJ]

He might as well have massive neon lights on his head, with a blinking message of "I'm not suitable for United" on them.

 

[Antisocial]

Yep. that was the one with the flares and all. The pests were buying "champions 19" merchendise without a shread of an idea of whats going to hit them.

 

[Adisa]

We have some real gems in the ranks at the moment. They are finished if he gets the job.

 

[LeChuck]

He's a great manager in terms of getting young stars to fulfil their potential, and working with young players with bags of talent but no focus / application. But not very good at getting academy products to fulfil it. The only time he's hit the heights with academy products is at Porto.