Get a Director of Football in NOW.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) was joined by comedian Ali Woods to look back at the best and worst moments of a rollercoaster season with the annual United Hour Awards.
Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
works for me.
woodward is clearly a very talented individual for securing commercial deals, but his handling of football matters has left a lot to be desired. the LVG fiasco being easily the biggest.
woodward is clearly a very talented individual for securing commercial deals, but his handling of football matters has left a lot to be desired. the LVG fiasco being easily the biggest.
I will fly across the pond and wring that skinny cnut's neck if it's true... its as if the club is purposefully being sabotaged from whithin.
I'm going to bed NOW
Rather have Van Gaal than Giggs, until we can sort a deal out with someone better.
at this point, that's grotesquely unfair to giggs.
I think he's desperate to not give the job to Giggs.
Woodward is inept. He should walk.
How the feck is this accountant making football decisions for the most famous club in the world?
Sweet mother of god, my blood is boiling. This isn't stupidity, this is selfishness to stop himself looking bad. We're Manchester United, not Ed Woodward's merry little boys. Stop being a twat and do your job, before you send us down a path it takes us years to recover from.
I couldn't care less. He needs to get out there and prove his mettle. He's no right getting the United job with zero experience.
if this is actually true... my god we are calamitously inept.
Don't agree with that. He's a very good commercial director and he'd make a good CEO if he installed a football director or handed over the executive footballing decisions at least.
These rumours of a power struggle seem to be almost certainly true.
Yeah, commercially excellent. With regards to football, he is completely inept.
Woody's tenure has been one disaster after another. We shouldn't appoint a DOF because Woody can't do his job, we should just sack him, or if not move him to CMO or another role more suited to his abilities.
Getting sick of Woodward if thisis true. The players he has been targeting if true (Bale, Mueller, Ronaldo, Neymar) shows he knows very little about football.
If this is true and lvg has already hinted in some previous interviews that he has lost confidence in himself and doesn't know if he is up to the task and if he has really offered his resignation and they have declined it, I I have no words for how inept Woodward is
You don't sent out a team of any stature with a manager in that frame of mind. It's total madness
You don't sent out a team of any stature with a manager in that frame of mind. It's total madness
He just wants big names to sell shirts. He's not one bit concerned about the performances on the pitch, as long as the sales line stays where he wants it.
Have any of you actually read the article?
It's a positive development for those that want him gone.
It's a positive development for those that want him gone.
Maybe, but it's a damning indictment on the way this club is run. Woodward might be of more harm than van Gaal.
It's a damning indictment of the way the club is run that it doesn't make emotional decisions straight after a loss?
Ahem, wasn't the book published just months after Fergie retired, when Moyes was still in the job?
Sorry, this is not an isolated match. This has been going on for far too long. If it were one poor result, no one would care.
It was amended subsequent to Moyes's departure.
Probably the updated issue after it happened.
He isn't that bad. Have some noodles sponsored by Nissin and relax with wine courtesy of Concha y Toro.
Whilst I want LvG gone as much as the next man.. think about it for a minute.
- Reports have been coming out that Giggs wouldn't take an interim role
- Jose has recently been sacked by rivals of United, may want to wait until the summer to manage again??
- Pep isn't available until the summer.. If the above are true, who could we have as an interim if we had Pep/Jose lined up for the summer??
This guy who supposedly works for BBC but is an accountant and posts The Sun links obviously knows his stuff since he got a photo of him with Messi that one time.
No ones saying otherwise.
Simply that Saturday wasn't the day to make the decision. If he's here past tomorrow or we don't have a plan for the summer then I'd agree but the issues we're talking about deserve to be dealt with rationally, not based on LVG/Woodward being pissed off that we lost.
Its ridiculous.
Anyone. Honestly, Tim Sherwood would be preferable.
This is the key point.
Regardless of whether the board actually believe in Van Gaal or not, if he doesn't believe in himself then they have an obligation to accept his resignation. How the hell are the players supposed to believe in a manager who has publicly and explicitly said that the fans have expectations that he cannot fulfill, and who has asked to step down.
This is a bloody farce.
I am going to have to stop you right there, don't nissin make brakes?
I'll spare myself from re-typing this from yesterday on another thread...essentially, a Director of Football should be a Board of Football, filled with former United title-winning players who have a specific understanding of the United ethos.
LVG can leave, however the structure of it all is dumb.
When Fergie was first appointed, he was able to create his vision of a club. At that time, it wasn't a commercial entity, so footballing side was able to set a proper foundation. Academy, scouting system, nutrition, club culture, ethos, etc. Class of 92 and then all the pieces/players came into play.
Then all the money and commercialization came second, however it complimented the footballing side like no other and the dominance of Fergie was for all to see. But he remained the constant. Meanwhile, David Gill and the board thought everything was in place. Insert here (manager, executive chief) and press play. Oops.
In American sports, which is long typical of some of the Director of Football or Bayern/Barca footballing setups, there's the commercial and sporting sides. United will always have the commercial side (in general - not including current play). However, the structure of the football/sporting operations are completely stupid and frankly ass backwards.
The type of football to be played and success achieved (i.e. the standards and how those standards are to be attained) are not the issue/question/problem.
It's the vision or philosophy of it all. Woodward doesn't have this. Fergie had it since Scotland and made it come true at United, so there was no need to have the structure because he was the structure. He knew how it should be run, who makes decisions, why. Complete autonomy. But it's different days and it was even in the later years of Fergie. Fergie had a great backroom staff and coaches, he simplified it. Fergie knew the team would pick itself like it does for the most part now, but there will be a few players that had to be rotated in/out. Get the team mentally ready, keep morale up and oversee the mental side. Coach 1 runs training session, Coach 2 runs conditioning, Coach 3 runs gym time, Coach 4,5,6 runs specific training for specific positions.
The Club failed in realizing this. The insert here and press play attempt with Moyes was naive and wrong. LVG was the right choice at the time, however Woodward himself probably doesn't know what is needed in terms of actual talent or changing. For example, if United needs a right winger type player, does Woodward know how to spot a talent or does he rely everything on LVG and the scouts? If you're in charge of the footballing matters, one must be able on their own, know if the player is quality or can grow. Have a constructive process with scouts, manager and coaches on whether or not the player is good enough. I question if Woodward is this adept.
Why there isn't a Board of Football and a hierarchy is stupid.
LVG can leave, however the structure of it all is dumb.
When Fergie was first appointed, he was able to create his vision of a club. At that time, it wasn't a commercial entity, so footballing side was able to set a proper foundation. Academy, scouting system, nutrition, club culture, ethos, etc. Class of 92 and then all the pieces/players came into play.
Then all the money and commercialization came second, however it complimented the footballing side like no other and the dominance of Fergie was for all to see. But he remained the constant. Meanwhile, David Gill and the board thought everything was in place. Insert here (manager, executive chief) and press play. Oops.
In American sports, which is long typical of some of the Director of Football or Bayern/Barca footballing setups, there's the commercial and sporting sides. United will always have the commercial side (in general - not including current play). However, the structure of the football/sporting operations are completely stupid and frankly ass backwards.
The type of football to be played and success achieved (i.e. the standards and how those standards are to be attained) are not the issue/question/problem.
It's the vision or philosophy of it all. Woodward doesn't have this. Fergie had it since Scotland and made it come true at United, so there was no need to have the structure because he was the structure. He knew how it should be run, who makes decisions, why. Complete autonomy. But it's different days and it was even in the later years of Fergie. Fergie had a great backroom staff and coaches, he simplified it. Fergie knew the team would pick itself like it does for the most part now, but there will be a few players that had to be rotated in/out. Get the team mentally ready, keep morale up and oversee the mental side. Coach 1 runs training session, Coach 2 runs conditioning, Coach 3 runs gym time, Coach 4,5,6 runs specific training for specific positions.
The Club failed in realizing this. The insert here and press play attempt with Moyes was naive and wrong. LVG was the right choice at the time, however Woodward himself probably doesn't know what is needed in terms of actual talent or changing. For example, if United needs a right winger type player, does Woodward know how to spot a talent or does he rely everything on LVG and the scouts? If you're in charge of the footballing matters, one must be able on their own, know if the player is quality or can grow. Have a constructive process with scouts, manager and coaches on whether or not the player is good enough. I question if Woodward is this adept.
Why there isn't a Board of Football and a hierarchy is stupid.
I don't understand the thinking behind 'offering to resign'.
I've quit jobs before, you don't offer your boss anything, you just quit.
Has anyone ever done this in their job and what happened?
I've quit jobs before, you don't offer your boss anything, you just quit.
Has anyone ever done this in their job and what happened?
@Sigma : Woody doesnt need a Director of Football to tell him that Van Gal is doing badly. He knows.
What he has planned is not clear but its a bit naive to think an astute business man such as Woodward cant tell when an employee is underperforming.
What he has planned is not clear but its a bit naive to think an astute business man such as Woodward cant tell when an employee is underperforming.
LVG probably has said, 'listen this isn't going well, im happy to leave on my own if ye want. If ye are happy for me to continue, I will keep going'.
Usually when you quit in your job, it is because of life circumstances or because you have a better offer. Not because you no longer believe you are capable of doing the job.
Van Gaal is quitting because he recognises that as manager, the buck stops with him and he is no longer the man to take the club forward. In this situation, Ed or the board have convinced him that they still believe he is the man to take the club forward and talked him into staying on.
At this stage, our beef should no longer be with Van Gaal. He has done the honorable thing here. The negligence is on the part of the board.