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you must be 15 years old thenHe's the best we ever had by a country mile.
you must be 15 years old thenHe's the best we ever had by a country mile.
what?? Every keeper makes blunders. Seriously look him up on youtube.I was too scared to say this in the previous thread, but here goes:
I didn't watch any football till ~2005-6 so I obviously missed all of Schmeichel. The only places I've seen him are his great save compilations, old game highlights, and ... season reviews.
In a few seasons (can't remember right now, maybe 95-96?) I noticed a LOT of mistakes by him, including many that led to goals. Positioning errors on crosses, getting caught out by snap-shots. Mistakes that VDS definitely never made and that DDG pretty much stopped after his rocky start. There were of course awesome saves. And 1v1 domination unlike both VDS and DDG.
So, was it just my impression or was Schmeichel indeed error-prone?
You mean like his "Gordon Banks save"?I judge it based on how i feel when a striker bears down on goal.
With Pete i always felt he was going to save one v ones and dominate on crosses, but i never expected the super saves in other situations. With DDG i still get a bit twitchy on crosses but i just expect him to save everything else. It's pretty even.
VDS was very good but DDG has surpassed him now.
So if Neuer transfered to Stoke would he suddenly become less good?It's hard to be the best keeper in the world without trophies.
I'll be 33 this year and as a young keeper myself back in the day grew up worshipping Schmeichel. I've always held him as the best I've ever seen, but DDG has edged him now for me in terms of outright talent.you must be 15 years old then
People are also a lot more previous and defensive when De Gea makes a mistake. There were people defending his keeping for Sanchezs goal at the Emirates, where every other keeper would've been nailed.what?? Every keeper makes blunders. Seriously look him up on youtube.
38. Schmeikel was a great keeper but he also had a great defense. VDS the same. This guy just makes genius save after genius save, week in week out. Never seen the like. If you sat down and worked out how many points he's been worth this season, and compared it to the other two, I suspect mathematically the point would be indisputable.you must be 15 years old then
A great defense? Surely you remember all the one on ones he had?38. Schmeikel was a great keeper but he also had a great defense. VDS the same. This guy just makes genius save after genius save, week in week out. Never seen the like. If you sat down and worked out how many points he's been worth this season, and compared it to the other two, I suspect mathematically the point would be indisputable.
Obviously I can't be arsed to actually do this.
It would help especially with that faster attack we have now.So if Neuer transfered to Stoke would he suddenly become less good?
I'll be 33 this year and as a young keeper myself back in the day grew up worshipping Schmeichel. I've always held him as the best I've ever seen, but DDG has edged him now for me in terms of outright talent.
You mentioned the Great Dane's throws, that's something I'd like to see Dave try a bit more.
Well I'm not saying he was sh#te.A great defense? Surely you remember all the one on ones he had?
Wasnt a dig at ddg, but history arent always fairSo if Neuer transfered to Stoke would he suddenly become less good?
Ability wise probably the same, but status wise in the history book?
I'll be 33 this year and as a young keeper myself back in the day grew up worshipping Schmeichel. I've always held him as the best I've ever seen, but DDG has edged him now for me in terms of outright talent.
You mentioned the Great Dane's throws, that's something I'd like to see Dave try a bit more.
You missed out. Unreal. Schmeichel is/was possibly the best goalkeeper the game has ever seen. I used to look forward to watching games to see him play as much as any of the other 21 players on the pitch, that's how good he was. I find it hard to say DDG is better.Was too young to see Schmeichel to judge but I can't imagine how he could be better than Dave.
Hasn't had his Davor Suker moment (yet).You missed out. Unreal. Schmeichel is/was possibly the best goalkeeper the game has ever seen. I find it hard to say DDG is better.
It's funny between 91 and 99 I really don't remember anyone talking about our great defense. I think I've seen it all when people are trying to play down how good Schmeichel was because he apparantly played behind a great defense.Schmeikel was a great keeper but he also had a great defense.
Not really fair to say that. United of Pete's time were wild and kamikaze-like and completely obsessed with attacking and being open, sometimes to detriment of the defense, and if it wasn't for Schmeichel being so stellar in all those one-on-ones, we would've looked like mugs a lot of the time or would've had to modify our play considerably.Schmikes was great, but he also made a lot of errors that both De Gea and certainly VDS wouldn't over the course of an average season, thats my only reason I wouldn't auto pick the Great Dane between the 3.
Not really fair to say that. United of Pete's time were wild and kamikaze-like and completely obsessed with attacking and being open, sometimes to detriment of the defense, and if it wasn't for Schmeichel being so stellar in all those one-on-ones, we would've looked like mugs a lot of the time or would've had to modify our play considerably.
He was susceptible to being lobbed, but only by absolutely brilliant exponents of the craft.
Can't blame Pete for being haphazard at times in such a set-up, imo. We calmed down so much since the 90's that keeping for us is almost unrecognisable from what Pete had to put up with. In that kind of set-up, there would be no better keeper than Schmeichel who could line up for us and do what he did.
In terms of transference between the 3 and the sides they had in front of them, VDS obviously had the easiest job by far as we had the best defensive duo in the world at their peak in front of him and a solid backline as a whole who played dilligent, CL-focused, pragmatic football a lot of the time. Schmeichel would not struggle in such a set up where VDS would not look half the keeper playing for our 90's sides.
DDG and Schmeichel have more in common in terms of being exposed and having to bail their teams out, for different reasons: one being tactical and the other being a poor side who can't do any better.
Bruce, Pallister, Irwin, Neville and later Stam -- all substantially better than any of our defenders today. And Keane, arguably the greatest destroyer midfielder in the history of the game, in front of them. Simply put without any debate whatsoever, the 1990s sides Peter had in front of him were vastly superior to anyone Dave had in front of him.It's funny between 91 and 99 I really don't remember anyone talking about our great defense. I think I've seen it all when people are trying to play down how good Schmeichel was because he apparantly played behind a great defense.
That argument just doesn't hold up when you consider the styles of their respective teams. Bruce, Pallister (both aging) and Stam (for the one season he played with Peter) were great defenders but our sides in the 90s were incredibly gung-ho. We were hardly notorious for our defending then.Bruce, Pallister, Irwin, Neville and later Stam -- all substantially better than any of our defenders today. And Keane, arguably the greatest destroyer midfielder in the history of the game, in front of them. Simply put without any debate whatsoever, the 1990s sides Peter had in front of him were vastly superior to anyone Dave had in front of him.
That argument just doesn't hold up when you consider the styles of their respective teams. Bruce, Pallister (both aging) and Stam (for the one season he played with Peter) were great defenders but our sides in the 90s were incredibly gung-ho. We were hardly notorious for our defending then.
The current side is set up to keep clean sheets and restrict the opposition, Romero has 6 clean sheets this seson and he's crap!
Not underrated but when you're being compared to a keeper who has a genuine claim to be the best of all-time and another who has the potential to be in that same bracket, you're talking about a level of keeper where only the likes of Buffon, Kahn and the like belong.It kind of seems like VDS is a bit underrated here. I think a big part of that is because we got Dave right away. If we had been stuck in keeper limbo for a few years people might have appreciated him more.
I'd agree with that. VDS' strength was that he never made a mistake. The only two notable ones I can remember are him dropping a cross against some midtable team that stirred a comeback for them from 2-0 down to 2-2, and another error against Roma away in 07 where he palmed a shot right back to to an attacker for a tap-in.Not underrated but when you're being compared to a keeper who has a genuine claim to be the best of all-time and another who has the potential to be in that same bracket, you're talking about a level of keeper where only the likes of Buffon, Kahn and the like belong.
VDS was a very, very good keeper, but he was never the best in the world, let alone across eras.
Yes, not a superhero-type of keeper, which I feel you have to be as the situation demands it in such company.I'd agree with that. VDS' strength was that he never made a mistake. The only two notable ones I can remember are him dropping a cross against some midtable team that stirred a comeback for them from 2-0 down to 2-2, and another error against Roma away in 07 where he palmed a shot right back to to an attacker for a tap-in.
He was also a great organizer of the defence, but he wasn't the type to make superhuman saves that both Schmeichel and DDG regularly made.
Oh my, how short some memories are.That argument just doesn't hold up when you consider the styles of their respective teams. Bruce, Pallister (both aging) and Stam (for the one season he played with Peter) were great defenders but our sides in the 90s were incredibly gung-ho. We were hardly notorious for our defending then.
The current side is set up to keep clean sheets and restrict the opposition, Romero has 6 clean sheets this seson and he's crap!
You're missing the point completely. Stam/Pallister may be better than Smalling and Keane better than Carrick and Schneiderlin but that doesn't mean the team Schmeichel played in was great defensively. It wasn't a defensive team, it didn't play for clean sheets or try to stifle the life out of the game. Take Irwin and Neville, great defenders but they were attacking defenders, constantly overlapping and putting in crosses. DDG will look to pass it out to one of his defenders so we play it out from the back whereas Schmeichel would look to release Beckham/Giggs/Kanchelskis and set up attacks.Oh my, how short some memories are.
The current United side is utter shite compared to the 98/99 side at nearly every single position. Smalling is nowhere near the defender Bruce, Pallister and Stam were. Blind has done a fine job this season, but come on. Darmian is no Neville and while I might be going out on a limb on this point, nor are Varela and Valencia. Fosu-Mensah has been brilliant in his 3-4 starts but to compare him favorably to Irwin would be...there are no words.
As for Keane, it's very safe to say that Carrick is no Keane.
Of course United in the 90s were fantastic everywhere on the pitch. Cantona, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham, etc., but we had a back line that is so far superior to our current back line that it insults valuable server space to defend that proposition.
Give United their due for their incredible attacking talent during the Schmeichel era, but the defenders Peter had in front of him -- Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Denis Irwin, Gary Neville and Jaap Stam -- are on anyone's list of top 10 United defender of of all time. At the risk of making an obvious point yet again, it's very safe to say that Chris Smalling, Daley Blind, Matteo Darmian and Timothy Fosu-Mensah have yet to prove that they are the equals of those five players.
By any measure, Peter had vastly better defenders in front of him than Dave has the last three seasons.
We're not talking about stats or records though. Base your view on individual, stand out performances, not how many saves or clean sheets have been recorded.Oh my, how short some memories are.
The current United side is utter shite compared to the 98/99 side at nearly every single position. Smalling is nowhere near the defender Bruce, Pallister and Stam were. Blind has done a fine job this season, but come on. Darmian is no Neville and while I might be going out on a limb on this point, nor are Varela and Valencia. Fosu-Mensah has been brilliant in his 3-4 starts but to compare him favorably to Irwin would be...there are no words.
As for Keane, it's very safe to say that Carrick is no Keane.
Of course United in the 90s were fantastic everywhere on the pitch. Cantona, Scholes, Giggs, Beckham, etc., but we had a back line that is so far superior to our current back line that it insults valuable server space to defend that proposition.
Give United their due for their incredible attacking talent during the Schmeichel era, but the defenders Peter had in front of him -- Steve Bruce, Gary Pallister, Denis Irwin, Gary Neville and Jaap Stam -- are on anyone's list of top 10 United defender of of all time. At the risk of making an obvious point yet again, it's very safe to say that Chris Smalling, Daley Blind, Matteo Darmian and Timothy Fosu-Mensah have yet to prove that they are the equals of those five players.
By any measure, Peter had vastly better defenders in front of him than Dave has the last three seasons.
Probably not, but if he goes to Real we'll keeping watching him in awe until he retires about 13-14 years from now.We're not talking about stats or records though. Base your view on individual, stand out performances, not how many saves or clean sheets have been recorded.
De Gea can save shots you'd think were definite goals, and he's got reflexes like no other keeper I've seen. Seeing as he's only 25, I can without a doubt see him catching up and surpassing Schmeichel in terms of being seen as the best keeper to have ever played for us. The only problem is he won't be here by the time he's 30
Well yeah but you couldn't say he's the best keeper we've ever had if he spends his glory years at a different club, can you? You have to look at the years he's spent here, which so far he hasn't been better than Schmeichel.Probably not, but if he goes to Real we'll keeping watching him in awe until he retires about 13-14 years from now.
What do you mean "may be better"? There is no may be in this assessment. Stam and Pallister and miles and miles ahead of Smalling and Blind and Keane miles ahead of Carrick and Schneidlerin.You're missing the point completely. Stam/Pallister may be better than Smalling and Keane better than Carrick and Schneiderlin but that doesn't mean the team Schmeichel played in was great defensively. It wasn't a defensive team, it didn't play for clean sheets or try to stifle the life out of the game. Take Irwin and Neville, great defenders but they were attacking defenders, constantly overlapping and putting in crosses. DDG will look to pass it out to one of his defenders so we play it out from the back whereas Schmeichel would look to release Beckham/Giggs/Kanchelskis and set up attacks.
The current team is set up to restrict the opposition (we often play with two holding midfielders) and not give away chances. Schmiechel never played behind a midfield and defense with that sort of mentality. Schmeichel never played behind a great defense , Seaman played behind a great defense at that time at Arsenal. Schmeichel was always part of attacking teams which left the defense exposed.
We were for about a year. Remember we had Lindegaard showing up all the time. Madrid away in 2013 soon ended all that.It kind of seems like VDS is a bit underrated here. I think a big part of that is because we got Dave right away. If we had been stuck in keeper limbo for a few years people might have appreciated him more.
This!you must be 15 years old then