What will you do if LVG stays next season?

buckooo1978

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It will be very very tough for us particularly given the feel good factor at Anfield - they've brought in Klopp and the positivity he brings makes you think that with a transfer window they will be ahead of us

I can't believe LVG will be there next season - keeping him will rank in stupidity with appointing Moyes....and when he goes I expect an immediate improvement like the ones Bayern and Barca experienced
 

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You guys would rather cry wank, watch greyhound, lose interest in football, watch other league, going to gym.

But you match goers refuses to boo the hell out of lvg? Just spend your effort getting him out.

You're all talking about being rimmed in the arse by lvg and the club but you seems to applause it.
 

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My view isn't based on results either, it's the disgraceful soul crushing football this arrogant dinosaur peddles. We keep hearing all this rhetoric about the United way yet keep a man in charge who is the very antitheses of our football identity, him being forced to play a few kids through injury doesn't change that.
pretty much agree.
the bigger feeling for me is that for many years even when we were winning things, I've seen the money men slowly taking away what I grew up dreaming about. Waking up with Manchester United in my heart and going to my dreams with United. Following United has come at a cost for me personally. It feels a bit like someone has robbed my dreams. But they cannot rob my memories.
I understand all that:

Being a fan
: I started when football was still a Saturday sport, with MOTD in the evening, and 'on the ball' or similar on a Sunday lunch time. Less was truly more in those days but there were few alternatives for young people unlike today. Supporting United was an extension of a life of football, either playing or watching. I played to a reasonable standard but actually prefer to watch the game. I never wore a United shirt and still don't; I rarely wore scraves. I could never imagine spending £40 on a shirt and the two-team scarves are frankly stupid. I don't take selfies in games and think the singing section is the pathetic consequence of the money me who screwed with the club. Anyone who witnessed the Stretty, the Paddocks and the Scoreboard in their heyday all giving it knows what a pathetic statement a singing section is. I am actually not the kind of fan OT really wants although they blitz me with ST renewal requests. I dont read the Andy Mitten books but do listen to Full Time Devils which is about as far as i go in the modern age of fandom.

The manager: The position of manager was never really important to me. Yeah, Busby was great and I met Tommy Doc but they were not the ones I would stick pictures of on the wall. The Doc was the fans choice but at the first opportunity the board sacked him for a love affair, which by 1970s social standards was totally bizarre. If we couldn't have the Doc the fans wanted Cloughie so the board with their usual bloodimindedness gave us Sexton and Big Ron! The board has always been blinkered in its vision of a manager, its either a great man who grows into the job or a mediocrity who plods along - OT culture remains unable to shake off inability to select managers for immediate success.

It was Fergie who created the super manager **** when he became bigger than the squad; that for me is one of the greatest problems going forward. Our support has been hypnotised by a man who in the end cheated the fans by selecting an idiot, telling us it was our duty to support him, and then pulled out a biography about his golden years just to make sure the idiot knew who was really boss. Its been too much like Busby who also never went away, and released a biography, in the end both have been managerial calamities in their retirement. Having seen his books and listened to his interviews its clear to me that Fergie still wants his time in the sun rewriting history, before someone comes along bringing new success and the writers sense the 'real' story.

How to keep the faith: To find your roots, test where your heart lies. For me it was my fellow fans and the players on the pitch - Charlton, Bestie, Aston at first, then Pearson, Daly, Hill, Robbo and eventually to Cantona, Scholes et al. Bestie cutting Chelski to pieces, Cantona Chipping the goalie, Robbo leading the charge, I mean who could forget such moments - so yes memories are important.

I admit to wanting Ralphie Milne, Juan Veron, and even Bebe all to do well simply because they were players. Same yeaterday, everyone was slagging off Depay. I can't do that and was willing him on, and in a similar way have remained solid behind Tony V. I don't listen to many players because they are nearly always incoherent - as pundits Keano, Rio and Scholesie have slightly altered my opinion. But I dont buy STs to listen to the players, i dont read their pathetic life stories at 28, and really only want to see them play.

Always the players never the manager, and that is why I can cut out the chatter, bullshit, and bollox of OT and LVG. I engage with guys in forums and have been vociferous about not wanting LVG in forums but thats not all about being a fan. I am seriously close to ending my STs but have come to realise its my interest in the squad and players; and, not holding on to something that no longer exists. I admit to watching Leicester progress but not at the expense of watching the Reds. I dont wish the lads to lose and I dont want us out of the CL.

For me the true Red loves the players, and the squad - doesn't need to be in the singing section wearing expensive recycled coke bottles - and couldn't give a flying feck about the board, OT admin, corporate shite, or the manager/coach staff.
 

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Oh they will get some players. The problem is VG ain't for changing. It will be the same shit with some positives in between. It's obvious top four will be extremely difficult to get into next season, and by the time he figures things out (he's usually slow on the uptake), we will more than likely be far away from where we need to be.

All waiting for the end of the FA Cup final to see the club's decision, then will do what I planned.

Don't worry DT, the club will have to come to its senses sooner or later, and then you can get another subscription - it's not like they would refuse to renew it!:D
He has managed to turn us from a powerhouse in world football to a team making up the numbers. That is some achievement.
 

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Really some of our supporters are starting to lose their minds. It's strange to see. If LVG does end up staying it will be for maximum one season. People are talking about giving up watching football? What is that about? :lol:

Van Gaal's teams haven't always played this bad and if we make some good signings in the summer you can be sure a lot of people will quickly start changing their tune.
 

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I understand all that:

Being a fan
: I started when football was still a Saturday sport, with MOTD in the evening, and 'on the ball' or similar on a Sunday lunch time. Less was truly more in those days but there were few alternatives for young people unlike today. Supporting United was an extension of a life of football, either playing or watching. I played to a reasonable standard but actually prefer to watch the game. I never wore a United shirt and still don't; I rarely wore scraves. I could never imagine spending £40 on a shirt and the two-team scarves are frankly stupid. I don't take selfies in games and think the singing section is the pathetic consequence of the money me who screwed with the club. Anyone who witnessed the Stretty, the Paddocks and the Scoreboard in their heyday all giving it knows what a pathetic statement a singing section is. I am actually not the kind of fan OT really wants although they blitz me with ST renewal requests. I dont read the Andy Mitten books but do listen to Full Time Devils which is about as far as i go in the modern age of fandom.

The manager: The position of manager was never really important to me. Yeah, Busby was great and I met Tommy Doc but they were not the ones I would stick pictures of on the wall. The Doc was the fans choice but at the first opportunity the board sacked him for a love affair, which by 1970s social standards was totally bizarre. If we couldn't have the Doc the fans wanted Cloughie so the board with their usual bloodimindedness gave us Sexton and Big Ron! The board has always been blinkered in its vision of a manager, its either a great man who grows into the job or a mediocrity who plods along - OT culture remains unable to shake off inability to select managers for immediate success.

It was Fergie who created the super manager **** when he became bigger than the squad; that for me is one of the greatest problems going forward. Our support has been hypnotised by a man who in the end cheated the fans by selecting an idiot, telling us it was our duty to support him, and then pulled out a biography about his golden years just to make sure the idiot knew who was really boss. Its been too much like Busby who also never went away, and released a biography, in the end both have been managerial calamities in their retirement. Having seen his books and listened to his interviews its clear to me that Fergie still wants his time in the sun rewriting history, before someone comes along bringing new success and the writers sense the 'real' story.

How to keep the faith: To find your roots, test where your heart lies. For me it was my fellow fans and the players on the pitch - Charlton, Bestie, Aston at first, then Pearson, Daly, Hill, Robbo and eventually to Cantona, Scholes et al. Bestie cutting Chelski to pieces, Cantona Chipping the goalie, Robbo leading the charge, I mean who could forget such moments - so yes memories are important.

I admit to wanting Ralphie Milne, Juan Veron, and even Bebe all to do well simply because they were players. Same yeaterday, everyone was slagging off Depay. I can't do that and was willing him on, and in a similar way have remained solid behind Tony V. I don't listen to many players because they are nearly always incoherent - as pundits Keano, Rio and Scholesie have slightly altered my opinion. But I dont buy STs to listen to the players, i dont read their pathetic life stories at 28, and really only want to see them play.

Always the players never the manager, and that is why I can cut out the chatter, bullshit, and bollox of OT and LVG. I engage with guys in forums and have been vociferous about not wanting LVG in forums but thats not all about being a fan. I am seriously close to ending my STs but have come to realise its my interest in the squad and players; and, not holding on to something that no longer exists. I admit to watching Leicester progress but not at the expense of watching the Reds. I dont wish the lads to lose and I dont want us out of the CL.

For me the true Red loves the players, and the squad - doesn't need to be in the singing section wearing expensive recycled coke bottles - and couldn't give a flying feck about the board, OT admin, corporate shite, or the manager/coach staff.
I agree with you. It is the players and fans who make Manchester United. I want them to win always, but as the fans are so loyal, don't the players etc owe us a decent standard of football?
 

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Really some of our supporters are starting to lose their minds. It's strange to see. If LVG does end up staying it will be for maximum one season. People are talking about giving up watching football? What is that about? :lol:

Van Gaal's teams haven't always played this bad and if we make some good signings in the summer you can be sure a lot of people will quickly start changing their tune.
It's the frustration of what could be....

A semi-half decent manager has;
  • a more effective strategy to start with
  • The gumption to change things when they obviously aren't working
  • Subbing fullbacks every game when you have guys like Memphis, Januzaj who need game time to stop getting rusty
  • The balls to bench Rooney
  • Play CBJ ahead of Rojo
  • Buy a strong CB rather than throw a converted midfielder/wing back in
  • Hooking young players after mistakes
  • Publicly criticising young players
  • Getting rid of proven goal scorers
  • Trolling fans with his comments
  • Team.selections that only make sense in the mind of LVG (Lingard at 10 and Mata wide right??
You could go on and on really... a decent manager in a season like this would have challenged for the league - instead the only trophy/cup we've competed well in has been the FA cup

We haven't progressed - our position says as much about how poor Chelsea and City have been and why on earth would you trust Van Gaal with a transfer budget when he crippled us from a goal scoring point of view going into this season

He's another year to run so why wait? His decision making is so baffling at times why expect anything to change next season?
 

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He will be here. Haven't thought too seriously about what I'll do, but here's exactly what I'll do! ;)

Step 1. Gloat about how I knew all along he'd stay, and that Mourinho was never coming.

Step 2. Feel sad that I knew all along he'd stay, and that Mourinho was never coming.

Step 3. Try to find a way to still enjoy football by, perhaps, picking a team in a foreign league to root for, or just trying to watch as many entertaining matches as a neutral as possible and try to not worry so much about what's going on at United.
 

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It's the frustration of what could be....

A semi-half decent manager has;
  • a more effective strategy to start with
  • The gumption to change things when they obviously aren't working
  • Subbing fullbacks every game when you have guys like Memphis, Januzaj who need game time to stop getting rusty
  • The balls to bench Rooney
  • Play CBJ ahead of Rojo
  • Buy a strong CB rather than throw a converted midfielder/wing back in
  • Hooking young players after mistakes
  • Publicly criticising young players
  • Getting rid of proven goal scorers
  • Trolling fans with his comments
  • Team.selections that only make sense in the mind of LVG (Lingard at 10 and Mata wide right??
You could go on and on really... a decent manager in a season like this would have challenged for the league - instead the only trophy/cup we've competed well in has been the FA cup

We haven't progressed - our position says as much about how poor Chelsea and City have been and why on earth would you trust Van Gaal with a transfer budget when he crippled us from a goal scoring point of view going into this season

He's another year to run so why wait? His decision making is so baffling at times why expect anything to change next season?
Exactly. He's also 64 and not likely to change his methods at this late stage.
 

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Exactly. He's also 64 and not likely to change his methods at this late stage.
It's funny because this year reminds me a lot of 89/90

Fergie was a young hungry manager, had to deal with a drinking culture and despite the fantastic players we had in the 80s (Robson, McGrath, Whiteside etc) we underachieved

The work he was doing with this and the youth setup is said to be what kept him in his job during tough times

Van Gaal was supposed to be the steady hand of experience but if anything I would describe his management as erratic and strange - at his age he won't change and if you listen to his comments he thinks we are a very good attacking side
 

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If Chelsea an co can get their shit together then so can't we? I'm strangely optimistic even if LvG stays.
Because they've got a new manager and that could be a big factor. Our manager doesn't make us better, he makes us worse, it's like the team has to fight him. I was buying all into the process thing and 'it's going to take three months'. It's been two years now and we're nowhere near.
 

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Because they've got a new manager and that could be a big factor. Our manager doesn't make us better, he makes us worse, it's like the team has to fight him. I was buying all into the process thing and 'it's going to take three months'. It's been two years now and we're nowhere near.
Isn't that in itself a risk for them? Managers aren't guaranteed success. Just look at ours. LvG 1st season was very different to this. I don't see things getting any worse than they got to this season. For one, we may actually buy some decent strikers/wingers next season and we have seen our play improve massively when we've had players with pace up top. If you look at our season, our worst form in November-December concided with the worst injury crisis. The football wasn't swashbuckling before then but it wasn't as bad as it was in those 2 months and has improved since turn of the year.
See, I'll be happy with a new manager but just as happy if LvG stays another season.
 

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It's the frustration of what could be....

A semi-half decent manager has;
  • a more effective strategy to start with
  • The gumption to change things when they obviously aren't working
  • Subbing fullbacks every game when you have guys like Memphis, Januzaj who need game time to stop getting rusty
  • The balls to bench Rooney
  • Play CBJ ahead of Rojo
  • Buy a strong CB rather than throw a converted midfielder/wing back in
  • Hooking young players after mistakes
  • Publicly criticising young players
  • Getting rid of proven goal scorers
  • Trolling fans with his comments
  • Team.selections that only make sense in the mind of LVG (Lingard at 10 and Mata wide right??
You could go on and on really... a decent manager in a season like this would have challenged for the league - instead the only trophy/cup we've competed well in has been the FA cup

We haven't progressed - our position says as much about how poor Chelsea and City have been and why on earth would you trust Van Gaal with a transfer budget when he crippled us from a goal scoring point of view going into this season

He's another year to run so why wait? His decision making is so baffling at times why expect anything to change next season?
If the players really felt he was messing them around and making them look bad in public I'm pretty sure he would have been sacked a long time ago. He's actually been great with our young players. Blind at been very good at CB too. CBJ was good for a while but he is very young - he came on against Norwich and had a bit of a mare which should remind us that players so young go through good and bad patches much more frequently. The football has been shite, and I would rather he left, but one more year isn't the end of the world for me.
 

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Isn't that in itself a risk for them? Managers aren't guaranteed success. Just look at ours. LvG 1st season was very different to this. I don't see things getting any worse than they got to this season. For one, we may actually buy some decent strikers/wingers next season and we have seen our play improve massively when we've had players with pace up top. If you look at our season, our worst form in November-December concided with the worst injury crisis. The football wasn't swashbuckling before then but it wasn't as bad as it was in those 2 months and has improved since turn of the year.
See, I'll be happy with a new manager but just as happy if LvG stays another season.

Put Messi in our side and watch us fight for top three!
 

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It's a bit early to be making plans for next season. I don't even know what I'm doing next weekend. Regardless if LVG is here or not.
 

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Van Gaal's teams haven't always played this bad and if we make some good signings in the summer you can be sure a lot of people will quickly start changing their tune.
He has had many transfer windows to sign exciting players.
The truth is that the Galactico level players do not want to join LVG.
The only players he can get are youngsters who want to take the next step up (and earn more money). The youngsters tend to be hit and miss.
And lets not forget, that this tactics are terrible. He aims for 1 goal per game and feels proud about this. He targets 4th place and makes out that if we achieve 4th place, he has achieved something great.

I like to give people chances, but LVG has used up all his chances.

LVG OUT!!!
 

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He has had many transfer windows to sign exciting players.
The truth is that the Galactico level players do not want to join LVG.
The only players he can get are youngsters who want to take the next step up (and earn more money). The youngsters tend to be hit and miss.
And lets not forget, that this tactics are terrible. He aims for 1 goal per game and feels proud about this. He targets 4th place and makes out that if we achieve 4th place, he has achieved something great.

I like to give people chances, but LVG has used up all his chances.

LVG OUT!!!
It's an argument for another thread. I'm just saying that I will support United as normal regardless of who is in charge next season.
 

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Isn't that in itself a risk for them? Managers aren't guaranteed success. Just look at ours. LvG 1st season was very different to this. I don't see things getting any worse than they got to this season. For one, we may actually buy some decent strikers/wingers next season and we have seen our play improve massively when we've had players with pace up top. If you look at our season, our worst form in November-December concided with the worst injury crisis. The football wasn't swashbuckling before then but it wasn't as bad as it was in those 2 months and has improved since turn of the year.
See, I'll be happy with a new manager but just as happy if LvG stays another season.
To be fair, if the alternative is Giggs, I'll stick with Van Gaal. But when Mourinho is around...

Looking at our signings in the last couple of years, I think a lot of them are good players. Very few have been able to show their worth though. Some people, of course, think we've made bad signings. So whether Van Gaal bought badly or can't use them well, I don't see why anyone would think it would be any different after yet another summer of signings.

It's not just that I'm disappointed LVG hasn't been able to implement his wishes on the team. I don't know what he wants anymore. The Van Gaal I remember wouldn't have used Fellaini all that much. The fact he has hints to me he's lost his way. And if he has, what's the point of carrying on.

There's risk in anything you do in football. A new manager is a guarentee for nothing just like a new player. But I just don't see the upside to our situation if we don't change managers. Unless everyone around us becomes even crappier.
 

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Get behind the team of course.

You guys do realize over our lifetimes we will see worse seasons than this one right? I know the football has been painfully boring but there will be much lower lows.
I will get behind the team support them all the way.

Worse seasons? It's been a long time, if ever, since we sat on 44 goals scored going into the last 2 games of the season. Our football is totally boring and lacks passion and flair but I have still watched every minute I could and will continue to do so.
 

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It's a dilemma. You want to do this and then at the back of your mind you are thinking, what if they are a lot better next season? What if they sign some actual big names that will make all the difference. Knowing me I will hang on and hang on and be in the same situation next season. I could always cancel it until pre-season and give my reason why. I am all of a dither. Dammit.:(
Isn't this the problem we have and the club know it. That deep down we will never desert out team. Dammit again. That we will put up with utter dross out of loyalty.
I know I'm not getting rid of MUTV. I won't even pretend to contemplate it. I've been massively frustrated over the season about the teams lack of aggression (defending 1-0 leads against bottom 4 sides for 30-60 mins) but Man Utd are a massive part of who I am.

I followed this team for 40 years through thick and thin. A couple of bad seasons isn't gonna change how I fell about my team or the support I give them.

I'll come on here and moan. Moan to and with my friends and family but I can't even contemplate felling any different about a club that I have loved as long as I have realised football is a sport.

I've said it before Man Utd are like your child. They might frustrate hell out of me. Do things that down right annoy me but at the end of the day my love for them will always be unconditional.
 

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Get behind the team of course.

You guys do realize over our lifetimes we will see worse seasons than this one right? I know the football has been painfully boring but there will be much lower lows.

Well yes, we've had worse seasons but I don't think I've been as bored shitess watching United as I have under LVG's management. And I've been a United fan for many moons.
 

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And if it continues over the next few seasons we'll just become desensitised and with that possibly apathetic too.
 

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Well yes, we've had worse seasons but I don't think I've been as bored shitess watching United as I have under LVG's management. And I've been a United fan for many moons.
I'm sure, spoons, but what can you do but hope for the best?

And if it continues over the next few seasons we'll just become desensitised and with that possibly apathetic too.
This definitely has already happened to an extent. It doesn't make you out fall out of love with the game but you do get used to us being shit to watch, and that starts infuriating you less.
 

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I'm sure, spoons, but what can you do but hope for the best?


This definitely has already happened to an extent. It doesn't make you out fall out of love with the game but you do get used to us being shit to watch, and that starts infuriating you less.
The only thing you can do is pretend to enjoy watching United. Reckon it could make you feel better seeing us play...eventually. Can't bring myself to do it though. Dunno, nothing...I suspect it's how fans of teams that play tedious football season in season out feel.

Basically just ride it out.
 

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I understand all that:

Being a fan
: I started when football was still a Saturday sport, with MOTD in the evening, and 'on the ball' or similar on a Sunday lunch time. Less was truly more in those days but there were few alternatives for young people unlike today. Supporting United was an extension of a life of football, either playing or watching. I played to a reasonable standard but actually prefer to watch the game. I never wore a United shirt and still don't; I rarely wore scraves. I could never imagine spending £40 on a shirt and the two-team scarves are frankly stupid. I don't take selfies in games and think the singing section is the pathetic consequence of the money me who screwed with the club. Anyone who witnessed the Stretty, the Paddocks and the Scoreboard in their heyday all giving it knows what a pathetic statement a singing section is. I am actually not the kind of fan OT really wants although they blitz me with ST renewal requests. I dont read the Andy Mitten books but do listen to Full Time Devils which is about as far as i go in the modern age of fandom.

The manager: The position of manager was never really important to me. Yeah, Busby was great and I met Tommy Doc but they were not the ones I would stick pictures of on the wall. The Doc was the fans choice but at the first opportunity the board sacked him for a love affair, which by 1970s social standards was totally bizarre. If we couldn't have the Doc the fans wanted Cloughie so the board with their usual bloodimindedness gave us Sexton and Big Ron! The board has always been blinkered in its vision of a manager, its either a great man who grows into the job or a mediocrity who plods along - OT culture remains unable to shake off inability to select managers for immediate success.

It was Fergie who created the super manager **** when he became bigger than the squad; that for me is one of the greatest problems going forward. Our support has been hypnotised by a man who in the end cheated the fans by selecting an idiot, telling us it was our duty to support him, and then pulled out a biography about his golden years just to make sure the idiot knew who was really boss. Its been too much like Busby who also never went away, and released a biography, in the end both have been managerial calamities in their retirement. Having seen his books and listened to his interviews its clear to me that Fergie still wants his time in the sun rewriting history, before someone comes along bringing new success and the writers sense the 'real' story.

How to keep the faith: To find your roots, test where your heart lies. For me it was my fellow fans and the players on the pitch - Charlton, Bestie, Aston at first, then Pearson, Daly, Hill, Robbo and eventually to Cantona, Scholes et al. Bestie cutting Chelski to pieces, Cantona Chipping the goalie, Robbo leading the charge, I mean who could forget such moments - so yes memories are important.

I admit to wanting Ralphie Milne, Juan Veron, and even Bebe all to do well simply because they were players. Same yeaterday, everyone was slagging off Depay. I can't do that and was willing him on, and in a similar way have remained solid behind Tony V. I don't listen to many players because they are nearly always incoherent - as pundits Keano, Rio and Scholesie have slightly altered my opinion. But I dont buy STs to listen to the players, i dont read their pathetic life stories at 28, and really only want to see them play.

Always the players never the manager, and that is why I can cut out the chatter, bullshit, and bollox of OT and LVG. I engage with guys in forums and have been vociferous about not wanting LVG in forums but thats not all about being a fan. I am seriously close to ending my STs but have come to realise its my interest in the squad and players; and, not holding on to something that no longer exists. I admit to watching Leicester progress but not at the expense of watching the Reds. I dont wish the lads to lose and I dont want us out of the CL.

For me the true Red loves the players, and the squad - doesn't need to be in the singing section wearing expensive recycled coke bottles - and couldn't give a flying feck about the board, OT admin, corporate shite, or the manager/coach staff.
good post mate. agree with much of this.

But I would add this. The supporters are the soul of the club. The board only sees the money.

They know people like us will never walk away.
 

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:lol:

I hope other sites don't have a redcafe goes into meltdown thread.
I know you are trolling as usual but please try and find a post worthy of your dumb smiley, I simply stated my view quite calmly, keeping LvG is a direct spit in the face of fans and this is not Manchester United, it's like a bastardized cover band.
 

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I understand all that:

Being a fan
: I started when football was still a Saturday sport, with MOTD in the evening, and 'on the ball' or similar on a Sunday lunch time. Less was truly more in those days but there were few alternatives for young people unlike today. Supporting United was an extension of a life of football, either playing or watching. I played to a reasonable standard but actually prefer to watch the game. I never wore a United shirt and still don't; I rarely wore scraves. I could never imagine spending £40 on a shirt and the two-team scarves are frankly stupid. I don't take selfies in games and think the singing section is the pathetic consequence of the money me who screwed with the club. Anyone who witnessed the Stretty, the Paddocks and the Scoreboard in their heyday all giving it knows what a pathetic statement a singing section is. I am actually not the kind of fan OT really wants although they blitz me with ST renewal requests. I dont read the Andy Mitten books but do listen to Full Time Devils which is about as far as i go in the modern age of fandom.

The manager: The position of manager was never really important to me. Yeah, Busby was great and I met Tommy Doc but they were not the ones I would stick pictures of on the wall. The Doc was the fans choice but at the first opportunity the board sacked him for a love affair, which by 1970s social standards was totally bizarre. If we couldn't have the Doc the fans wanted Cloughie so the board with their usual bloodimindedness gave us Sexton and Big Ron! The board has always been blinkered in its vision of a manager, its either a great man who grows into the job or a mediocrity who plods along - OT culture remains unable to shake off inability to select managers for immediate success.

It was Fergie who created the super manager **** when he became bigger than the squad; that for me is one of the greatest problems going forward. Our support has been hypnotised by a man who in the end cheated the fans by selecting an idiot, telling us it was our duty to support him, and then pulled out a biography about his golden years just to make sure the idiot knew who was really boss. Its been too much like Busby who also never went away, and released a biography, in the end both have been managerial calamities in their retirement. Having seen his books and listened to his interviews its clear to me that Fergie still wants his time in the sun rewriting history, before someone comes along bringing new success and the writers sense the 'real' story.

How to keep the faith: To find your roots, test where your heart lies. For me it was my fellow fans and the players on the pitch - Charlton, Bestie, Aston at first, then Pearson, Daly, Hill, Robbo and eventually to Cantona, Scholes et al. Bestie cutting Chelski to pieces, Cantona Chipping the goalie, Robbo leading the charge, I mean who could forget such moments - so yes memories are important.

I admit to wanting Ralphie Milne, Juan Veron, and even Bebe all to do well simply because they were players. Same yeaterday, everyone was slagging off Depay. I can't do that and was willing him on, and in a similar way have remained solid behind Tony V. I don't listen to many players because they are nearly always incoherent - as pundits Keano, Rio and Scholesie have slightly altered my opinion. But I dont buy STs to listen to the players, i dont read their pathetic life stories at 28, and really only want to see them play.

Always the players never the manager, and that is why I can cut out the chatter, bullshit, and bollox of OT and LVG. I engage with guys in forums and have been vociferous about not wanting LVG in forums but thats not all about being a fan. I am seriously close to ending my STs but have come to realise its my interest in the squad and players; and, not holding on to something that no longer exists. I admit to watching Leicester progress but not at the expense of watching the Reds. I dont wish the lads to lose and I dont want us out of the CL.

For me the true Red loves the players, and the squad - doesn't need to be in the singing section wearing expensive recycled coke bottles - and couldn't give a flying feck about the board, OT admin, corporate shite, or the manager/coach staff.
that's the thing though, there's very little connection between this current crop and the supporters, especially when we are captained by a guy who is only out for himself.
 

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It will be very very tough for us particularly given the feel good factor at Anfield - they've brought in Klopp and the positivity he brings makes you think that with a transfer window they will be ahead of us

I can't believe LVG will be there next season - keeping him will rank in stupidity with appointing Moyes....and when he goes I expect an immediate improvement like the ones Bayern and Barca experienced

Klopp has got less points than LVG this season since he's come in.
 

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I know you are trolling as usual but please try and find a post worthy of your dumb smiley, I simply stated my view quite calmly, keeping LvG is a direct spit in the face of fans and this is not Manchester United, it's like a bastardized cover band.
Trolling?

You basically just said that you're going to stop supporting united next year. You're not a proper fan. Everything that opposition clubs say about our fanbase, that we are spoiled and glory hunters would be epitomised in you supporting another club.
 

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Trolling?

You basically just said that you're going to stop supporting united next year. You're not a proper fan. Everything that opposition clubs say about our fanbase, that we are spoiled and glory hunters would be epitomised in you supporting another club.
Yes, trolling, trying to instigate and agitate a conflict with another poster with stupid condescending smiley's and insults. Don't pull the "proper fan" card with me either, I've been a fan since '86 but standing by and watching something I love be degraded by idiots who are more concerned with their agenda than the good of the club is not my idea of support, and I won't be supporting another team, I'll just be watching some football outside the PL as I enjoy the sport as a whole. The glory hunter thing is also hilarious since I don't give a feck about the CL but you do for "status" reasons ,even if it means another season playing the soul destroying garbage of a deluded narcissist who's been left behind.
 

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Yes, trolling, trying to instigate and agitate a conflict with another poster with stupid condescending smiley's and insults. Don't pull the "proper fan" card with me either, I've been a fan since '86 but standing by and watching something I love be degraded by idiots who are more concerned with their agenda than the good of the club is not my idea of support, and I won't be supporting another team, I'll just be watching some football outside the PL as I enjoy the sport as a whole. The glory hunter thing is also hilarious since I don't give a feck about the CL but you do for "status" reasons ,even if it means another season playing the soul destroying garbage of a deluded narcissist who's been left behind.

A proper fan supports his team through anything. That's it. You can't just stop following a team because you don't like the football.
 

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I'll continue to not waste my money going to OT. We really are one of the worst sides in top flight football to watch. I spend more time reading the match day thread than watching the games. I might as well just stick the radio on.
 

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I - and couldn't give a flying feck about the board, OT admin, corporate shite, or the manager/coach staff.

I suspect many do though. It's almost as if supporting the corporate shite, failed managers and the likes of Woody somehow makes you a fan. If I had my way I'd expand the ground and let in the local kids for next to nothing. But then again it's all about the money and that's all that counts, right?