What will you do if LVG stays next season?

[The red panther]

Really difficult to say. For one I will be pissed off at the club, my outlook for next season will look very grim and the enthousiasm of what the new season will bring will completley disappear as snow before the sun.

I just can't contemplate why they would keep LVG after such a season. I mean the football has been dreadfull to watch, managerial decisions have been outright weird and nobody believes LVG will turn this around next season not even if he gets another €300 million to spend in the market. There are just no excuses for this season except the fact that LVG made really bad decisions and that he is a bad manager for this club at this time.

Short list of what really bothers me about LVG:
-Last year we had a scoring problem, he did nothing to adress that and even made it worse
-We play slow tumescent, uncreative, overly safe and outright negative boring football almost every single match
-He is not getting the most out of his players
-He is always making excuses for everything and he will never admit that he got something totally wrong
-His decision to keep on playing Rooney while he is clearly past it
-His weird substituions that almost never work out but rather have the opposite effect of making things even worse
-We are horribly inconsistent and can't seem to hold on to a good form
-He has invested more in the market than any previous United manager yet got absolutley nothing out of it (except Martial but at astronomical price)
-He has no clue about United history but acts like he knows all of it, he doesn't even know which of his players have got winners medals or even forget certain players first names, It shows me he doesn't care and he is only here for the money

If the club doesn't recognize this it is clear they only evaluate him on league finish and trophies won. It also means that our standards have been massively lowered and 4th place is considered a good league finsih for what used to be the record champion. All this when we are a very rich club and have got the financial resources to blow any enlgish team out of the water. For me that is unacceptable. I want to support a club with ambition, that takes pride out of playing good entertaining football before anything else. I want a club that hires professional people to do their job and expects high standards of their players and manager. I for one can't contemplate how a club like Leicester, Tottenham, Dortmund, Atlético can do the things our manager says are impossible and that we shouldn't be expecting those things from United. I really can't accept such thinking, so if the club is ok with that than it would seem they have become something I can't support.

I don't know if I 'll stop watching our games for next season but I can sure as hell say I'll be massively disappointed in United. And it is not just because things are looking a bit grim and aren't going our way. It is a higher issue I have with our clubs management that they have massively lowered the standards of this club. I mean I can handle that we lose games, play bad football, miss out on CL and everything, What I can't handle is that we are ok with that and start to find it acceptable. I look at other teams and I see a passion, a will to win, people working their buts of to bring good football on the pitch every week and I must say I don't see that anymore at united. For me that was one of the biggest reasons I started supporting United, the passion, the desire, the winning mentality, it is ok that we struggle and get knocked down but if we don't have the desire to get back up again than there really isn't much left to support for anymore at United, atleast for me.

 

[JinnerJamie]

Cheater will probably take over after that

But he has been endorsed by everyone..... How could it possibly go wrong?

 

[pauldyson1uk]

A proper fan supports his team through anything. That's it. You can't just stop following a team because you don't like the football.

totally agree 100 %

 

[EdWeatherall]

Is this really a question?
The answer is obvious, support the team, support the manager the same as if it was any other manager

If the answer isn't that, then you are answering this question wrong

Would you want United to finish 5th if it meant LVG was sacked??

If you want that, then we're done here

 

[Wumminator]

Cheater will probably take over after that

Cheater?

the man is our biggest legend!

 

[The red panther]

Cheater?

the man is our biggest legend!

And an absolutley disgusting human being. Got no respect for a guy who cheats on his wife with his brothers wife for 8 years and pays her to get an abortion. That is messed up, couldn't care if he won 10 CL trophies and 20 League titels on his own for us, that man is vile and disgusting.

 

[SER19]

If you really think that the current discontent is purely down to winning trophies/being in CL or not then you either haven't watched us all season or are incredibly deluded.

No I know the football has been awful. Doesn't disprove that most want instant success. Don't even pretend folk on here would be loving some new manager with the Same outcomes but instead is losing 4-3 to Bournemouth and 3-2 to palace. This team needed life support, still does probably, but three short years have made us the most self righteous fans in the world

 

[The Brown Bull]

Hope for the best? Better luck with injuries perhaps.Who knows?
The football was pretty dull in the first few years of Fergie's reign and it didn't stop me .

 

[Seveneric]

Only on the Internet will you see fans actually trying to seriously legitimise stopping following a team

Three years after the most successful two decades any British club has had and we might be back in champions league and win a trophy and there's folk acting hard done by.

I think you should all stop following United too then, bye bye

If only we all had such high horses to sit on. You must feel like the bestest fan ever

 

[Seveneric]

Become more apathetic towards United. I've been caring less and less since Moyes, so I can easily see myself not caring at all. United is not a **** or tribe for me, and I'm not bound to it for life like a lot of people here. It's supposed to be a means of escape, and if it's becoming a joyless stress, then I'm checking out. I already deal with too much shit in my daily life without needing to add supporting United to the list.

 

[2 man midfield]

Hope that this great plan of his finally proves to be something other than complete nonsense. Seriously, what else is there?

 

[utdalltheway]

I find myself caring less and less and can't see the positive for next year if he stays.
The squad is almost unrecognizable from just a few years ago and it's not improved despite spending a ton of money. Too many shitty buys didn't help.

Having Rashford shine has been a highlight, and also De Gea's form but beyond that I find it difficult to get excited about the team these days.

I hope we get 4th and win the FA cup but other than that I can't wait for the season to end; and that feels so different from normal.

 

[pocco]

Hope that this great plan of his finally proves to be something other than complete nonsense. Seriously, what else is there?

There is no great plan. He's been winging it since day one, that is obvious. He's stumbled upon some things that have worked and he's stuck with them for periods. Just enough to keep him safe.

 

[Rozay]

I will support the team and hope for success under Van Gaal.

 

[fatboy]

As a fan, am emotionally invested anyway, so I will still support the team. But I'll still be in the odd position of disliking our own manager, that will not change.

All said, if LvG stays because we won nine of our last 10 matches (and a draw), then it has been nothing short of a remarkable turnaround results wise. Our shots on goal have increased too, even if the shots on target are still woeful. Who knows, we might actually improve.

 

[2 man midfield]

There is no great plan. He's been winging it since day one, that is obvious. He's stumbled upon some things that have worked and he's stuck with them for periods. Just enough to keep him safe.

Oh I agree. But blind faith would be/is all we'd have.

 

[kouroux]

I'll still watch, follow and support the club but it be about fullfilling a need rather than enjoying the team. There is no joy anymore from watching Man Utd and if LVG stays, it will get even worse. This season and by far, it is the first time I have found myself half focused or on my phone (facebook, whatsapp) chatting with people during Utd games cause they would bore me to sleep.

 

[devilish]

Cheater?

the man is our biggest legend!

He's still a Cheater though

 

[devilish]

But he has been endorsed by everyone..... How could it possibly go wrong?

Same as the chosen one

 

[Perrick Dubois]

And an absolutley disgusting human being. Got no respect for a guy who cheats on his wife with his brothers wife for 8 years and pays her to get an abortion. That is messed up, couldn't care if he won 10 CL trophies and 20 League titels on his own for us, that man is vile and disgusting.

Maybe the club should rename Sir Matt Busby way to Ramsay Street to fall in line with the fans who seem to prefer reading the gossip rags and regurgitating everything from them as if it were gospel. I mean, the season has been atrocious football-wise so it could be a real earner for the club to profit on the drama addicted saddo's who read that garbage.

 

[OldRed1]

I've only supported United for about 65 years so I'd probably change and support City or Liverpool (whoever is doing best).

 

[manichester]

I will continue to support my team, have supported for more than 60 years through bad and good times. I watch all the games and kick every ball that will not change.

 

[Drifter]

Cheater will probably take over after that

You couldn't care less about his cheating.It's just another label to bash Ryan with in your personal quest to sully the name of a club legend.

 

[Tosicsleftpeg]

I wouldn't do anything personally, OK the football is dull and we have underachieved but its still united. I'll still be watching and cheering us on as always but with ever lower expectations.

 

[Adebesi]

This comes back to the old debate about modern fans being treated like consumers. If they are treated like consumers for long enough they'll start to act accordingly. I think we're seeing that here.

This is not said with judgement. But walking away because pwople don't feel they are getting what they want - be that winning, entertainment or whatever - that isn't traditional supporter behaviour. But it is consistent with a game that has become a business, driven by business principles, such as ticket pricing based on supply and demand and decisions driven as much by marketing or other commercial considerations as by football.

In that sense the fans contemplating walking away, temporarily or permanently, may be the more rational ones in the modern context. They've arguably evolved in a way that acknowledges the reality of what football has become. And at the same time those who will stick around through "thick and thin" arguably leave themselves open to being exploited by management who rely on their loyalty and trust they cannot switch allegiance to a team offering better value / entertainment / prospects for success.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

You couldn't care less about his cheating.It's just another label to bash Ryan with in your personal quest to sully the name of a club legend.

To be fair Ryan has done everything to sully his own name. That is all down to him nobody else. It is the fact that he thought it wouldn't be found out. Everybody gets found out in the end.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

I really think that if the answer to this is anything but support the team has always , they really have to think about what they really want from football.

 

[Adebesi]

I really think that if the answer to this is anything but support the team has always , they really have to think about what they really want from football.

Presumably if they have decided to stop watching United next season they will already have thought about it.

 

[togg]

Some fans are weird. A lot seem to only want to support the club when it's doing well. That is not what being a fan is all about surely? Team for life and all that. There is so much petulance going on at the moment. Goodness, one only has to be a fan of most of the other teams in the championship, League one and League Two to know what it's like for most football fans. One of my friends is a Tranmere supporter...many many more lows than highs and out of the leagues. He gets rightly pissed off, but still strains his larynxs every week supporting them.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Will hope that

- We get the summer buyings right
- We have very few injuries
- LvG gets the so called "players I want" to get his attacking possession based football right
- Hope others feck up much more often than we do.

Will support the team, wanting to win through out the season, be it FA cup or CL or Europa or just PL.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Will hope that

- We get the summer buyings right
- We have very few injuries
- LvG gets the so called "players I want" to get his attacking possession based football right
- Hope others feck up much more often than we do.

Will support the team, wanting to win through out the season, be it FA cup or CL or Europa or just PL.

It will much esier and cheaper to get rid of LVG.

 

[Sunny Jim]

Some fans are weird. A lot seem to only want to support the club when it's doing well. That is not what being a fan is all about surely? Team for life and all that. There is so much petulance going on at the moment. Goodness, one only has to be a fan of most of the other teams in the championship, League one and League Two to know what it's like for most football fans. One of my friends is a Tranmere supporter...many many more lows than highs and out of the leagues. He gets rightly pissed off, but still strains his larynxs every week supporting them.

what about fans who just want the club to operate at appropriate capacity?

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Only on the Internet will you see fans actually trying to seriously legitimise stopping following a team

Three years after the most successful two decades any British club has had and we might be back in champions league and win a trophy and there's folk acting hard done by.

I think you should all stop following United too then, bye bye

So who made you the judge exactly?

People can do whatever the hell they want. It's not just the fact we aren't winning trophies and anyone with a pair of eyes can see the bigger picture.

 

[RedDevil@84]

It will much esier and cheaper to get rid of LVG.

Yes, but that was not the question

 

[Adebesi]

I wont bump the thread and not everyone will be interested in it but this debate reminds me of a thread I started before Christmas in response to hearing the kinds of sentiments being expressed in here. I find the question of the relationship between a club and fans, and what the two sides owe each other, really interesting.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/fan-loyalty.411261/#post-18359806

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Maybe the club should rename Sir Matt Busby way to Ramsay Street to fall in line with the fans who seem to prefer reading the gossip rags and regurgitating everything from them as if it were gospel. I mean, the season has been atrocious football-wise so it could be a real earner for the club to profit on the drama addicted saddo's who read that garbage.

So are you denying that Giggs ever actually done those things because 'it's in a gossip rag'? Very strange if so.

Giggs is a legend on the pitch, piece of crap off it. Unfortunate but true.

 

[Perrick Dubois]

So are you denying that Giggs ever actually done those things because 'it's in a gossip rag'? Very strange if so.

Giggs is a legend on the pitch, piece of crap off it. Unfortunate but true.

I don't read those rubbish papers.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I don't read those rubbish papers.

So what the hell are you talking about then?

 

[devilish]

You couldn't care less about his cheating.It's just another label to bash Ryan with in your personal quest to sully the name of a club legend.

If you say so. You cant blame me that I am lying though.

Regarding the legend thing. He was a magnificent player (no where near to Ronaldo but still world class), that's true but he's a horrible person.

 

[Sarni]

Hope we can finish the season with 25-7 goal difference playing tremendously exciting football.