I don't think I've ever seen a protest that they didn't turn up to though, and there were plenty of Labour supporters there too.
I don't think I've ever seen a protest that they didn't turn up to though, and there were plenty of Labour supporters there too.
Lilly Allen is there, so hardly the communist gathering so many are hoping for.I don't think I've ever seen a protest that they didn't turn up to though, and there were plenty of Labour supporters there too.
Out of interest, how come?As a Labour member, if there is a leadership contest, I don't think in good conscience that I can vote for Corbyn.
Yes you're right, it's always more attractive to be selling something new (especially when you don't have to give any detailed description of how it would work). I like your way of thinking about it.Fair points. My issue with having a go at him for the EU campaign is this:
Boris' crew had the advantage of selling a dream, and having an "incumbent" to criticise.
My issue with Corbyn being criticised for not being 100% happy with the EU is - who would it convince? Anyone who already thinks that is going to be voting Remain anyway.
Then you have the people who've seen years (decades?) of headlines criticising the EU. Politicians blaming it for their own failures when it suits (i.e. Tory immigration promises).
So Corbyn comes out and says "The EU is GREAT! I'd give it 10/10". Who is that going to convert? It didn't work for Cameron.
Besides that, Boris crew didn't need a party leader to deliver a win so these Labour MPs having a go at Corbyn should probably have a look at themselves too. Hodge's own constituency couldn't deliver a Remain vote. She should hold a lot of the blame for that, she's their MP.
And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed offAs a Labour member, if there is a leadership contest, I don't think in good conscience that I can vote for Corbyn.
Not seen your previous posts so apologies if you've answered. Do you think Corbyn could win next GE? What about if there is a snap GE before A50 button pressed? I think neither.And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed off
Several reasons, but unlike @Penna I actually feel his presentational and oratorical skills are sorely lacking. I don't want Blair Mark II, but he borders on the soporific. It shouldn't matter, but it does, especially as when I have gone door to door, people cannot name his policies. This is in part to do with what comes across as a lack of message discipline, and actually getting his message across to members and voters. Second, he (and his team) sorely lack strategy. Why fight the party on Trident immediately? People do not care day to day about this. They care about their economic wellbeing. Now of course there is a connection, but much better to get the economic message clear first, make ground there and then fight an internal battle on Trident. Not only would it be much harder to oppose then, the connection between the saved money and the economic policies would be much better to make. Third, he hasn't yet shown that he can win the support of voters beyond a core rump support. The Council Elections were on the whole positive, but with some worrying trends and indicators. Now I was (and am) willing to give him more time, especially as the next GE is in 2020, but the thought of a snap election concerns me greatly and brings to the fore my worries that he never will be able to win these voters around, and that the worrying trends from the Council elections will be accentuated. That's some of them, and I appreciate the alternative pro-Corbyn arguments too.Out of interest, how come?
I don't think that he will be, to be honest, and I won't leave if he stays either. I don't like the idea of abandoning a movement I actually believe in (not least because I am a trade unionist too).And if Corbyn is booted out I'm done with the party, so one of us is going to be pissed off
Do you think Corbyn runs his own social media accounts?That cannot be true, can it? He tweeted that he voted Remain!
The numbers are legit, but overlooks the point that Labour voters were expected to be far more averse to leaving than population as a whole.Don't know how much truth is in thisTweet
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but if it true than this idea that Corbyn failed on the Eu Referendum is well shite. Although should state I don't how true it is.
Of course not, but I would have given his team some credit here. If he voted Leave, then how on earth have the papers got evidence of this in a secret ballot? Someone must have talked. Either Corbyn, or one of his SPADs. It just would beggar belief. I could not foresee them taking the risk of stating that he voted Remain if it wasd obvious (and there was evidence) that he did the opposite...Do you think Corbyn runs his own social media accounts?
Re: presentational skills, here is his Fabian Speech from January, which was lauded:Out of interest, how come?
I doubt they can but if you keep bombarding someone with allegations then people start thinking that there can't be any smoke without fire. Cynical tactics are at play.How on earth can you prove that allegation when it's an anonymous ballot??
They've failed miserably at listening to their voters and membership every time we've given them the slightest of opportunity in recent years.Margaret Hodge, Barking & Dagenham
“At this moment of grave danger, we simply cannot allow the party to flounder, become utterly irrelevant to the political debate and disintegrate into a second-rate pressure group. Make no mistake — unless we listen to our voters, our party faces political oblivion.
Technically his twitter only implies that he voted Remain, it could be his big red bus, you know.Of course not, but I would have given his team some credit here. If he voted Leave, then how on earth have the papers got evidence of this in a secret ballot? Someone must have talked. Either Corbyn, or one of his SPADs. It just would beggar belief. I could not foresee them taking the risk of stating that he voted Remain if it wasd obvious (and there was evidence) that he did the opposite...
The weird thing about that, 4% of UKIP voted to remain. 4% of the United Kingdom Independence Party voted to remain.Don't know how much truth is in thisTweet
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but if it true than this idea that Corbyn failed on the Eu Referendum is well shite. Although should state I don't how true it is.
One of them would have been Farage.The weird thing about that, 4% of UKIP voted to remain. 4% of the United Kingdom Independence Party voted to remain.
He's got nothing to dream about any more. Just the shit reality to wake up to.One of them would have been Farage.
Who gets the party machine and name, though?Bring on the split and let voters decide.
Not sure I admit. Last time round the centrists did, and managed to boot out militant tendency and the like, but the attraction of millions of ordinary centrist votes means they just wait their chance and come back again.Who gets the party machine and name, though?
It kind of is, though. I'm sure some are just anti-establishment and are tired of Labour, but I'd imagine a considerable number of those who went UKIP in 2015 and voted Out have some fears regarding immigration. Telling them that they don't is unlikely to sway them.I think his policies are the correct answers but he can't sell them to the wider public ss he hasn't the personality.
Those who are attacking Corbyn want a harder line on immigration even though they know it's not immigration that is making those out voters in the north angry. We can't pander to their bigotry
I think he needs to go, but I hope it doesn't empower the latter group of feckwits
They list problems in their lives, infrequent work, poor public services, shitty welfare and then instead of blaming Westminster they blame migrants. I recognise they have fears on migration, but it is irrational, I don't think going hard on migration will solve their problemsIt kind of is, though. I'm sure some are just anti-establishment and are tired of Labour, but I'd imagine a considerable number of those who went UKIP in 2015 and voted Out have some fears regarding immigration. Telling them that they don't is unlikely to sway them.
I'm not sure that those who want Corbyn out want a much harsher stance on immigration, though, which is why I think attempts to replace him largely on the basis of the Northern vote are quite misguided.
This is true, the trouble is that you can't fix any of this unless you're in government, and it's going to get even harder for Labour to win support, particularly in the north with UKIP sprouting roots and fanning flames, by merely explaining to voters that they're wrong about immigration.They list problems in their lives, infrequent work, poor public services, shitty welfare and then instead of blaming Westminster they blame migrants. I recognise they have fears on migration, but it is irrational, I don't think going hard on migration will solve their problems
I saw on newsnight a labour MP says Corbyn doesn't get it on migration, I.e. he's got the wrong policy on them. I heard a snippet of John Mann on the radio saying something similar
Woody was American so...Without Corbyn there is no left wing, i like left wing. if Woody Guthrie was still around he'd vote for Corbyn.
That suits me
The evidence turned out to be some completely random bloke who said Corbyn told him in a restaurant. What a twat George Eaton is.Tweet
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Will have to wait for papers tonight to see the evidence, but if true the guy should not be allowed on the ballot paper.