I like affleck. I think he gets a lot of unfair shit thrown his way.
Film Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
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Am I right in saying the following?
Batmans vision of the future re. Superman being bad and killing him saying "she was my world" etc. was what the timeline would have been had he not helped Martha at the end? That's why Superman wanted revenge and explains the "Louis is the key" sentence because he only really stops his rage when Louis arrives. Since Batman changed the timeline successfully, I'm assuming we won't see that sequence in Justice League (although Darkseid will still be involved obviously)
Sure, why not.
Not a bad theory. I just kinda ignored any of the dream sequence stuff, didn't make any sense to me lol.
Whats certain is the dream sequence is Flash showing Batman a vision from the future. Whether or not the timeline is changed as a result of Batman's actions saving Martha is up for question.
I.e., we are't sure as to whether Superman referred to his mother, or louis as "she". There is a comic book version that Snyder could be referring to, but I've given it as a spoiler below because if its correct it might ruin Justice League:
Joker kills Louis and that leaves Superman with no sense of morality and, for an unkown reason, blaming Batman.. perhaps for his failure in containing his rival.
Do you mean Gone Girl?Nope.
He directed and co-wrote a movie called Gone Baby Gone in 2007, starring his brother Casey. You should check it out it's good. But yeah, the titles being similar are confusing.
And he didn't direct or write Gone Girl anyway, so it would be weird to mention it relating to Affleck's creative control.
Rotten tomatoes is the ratio of people who like it vs who don't not the actual score the critics gave it. A lot of people get this confused
Exactly. It doesn't mean that the average score for Star Trek is 95/100, but rather that 95% of all critics found it at least decent.
Yup.
I also thought The Town was very decent.
This is what im thinking although your sentence about "had he not helped Martha at the end" confused me. Unless im forgetting something. When did Batman help Martha?
The whole Arkham Asylum bit near the end. Saves her from Luthor's folk. It's some A+ Batmaning.
Batman saved Martha from Lex towards the end.
ffs, duh
I dont know why I was thinking of Lois in my head even though I typed Martha.Basically I was thinking on the whole "lois is the key". But yeah, thanks
Which leads me to:Doesnt Flash say something like "Lois Lane, shes the key... Have I gone too far back? Damn. You were right about him, fear him"
So my thinking was Flash was meant to go back into a period after BvS but before Dream Sequence time period where he warns Bruce/Batman. But because he went back too far, the events of BvS changed. And because of that, the future is now altered and the vision future doesnt play out like it should have given Supes dies. But DS will still come.
Kinda hard to explain without diagrams
You've explained that pretty well to be fair. Far better than the movie did anyway
Yeah.. it depends on how soon he thought he came. I reckon:ffs, duh
Basically I was thinking on the whole "lois is the key". But yeah, thanks
Doesnt Flash say something like "Lois Lane, shes the key... Have I gone too far back? Damn. You were right about him, fear him"
So my thinking was Flash was meant to go back into a period after BvS but before Dream Sequence time period where he warns Bruce/Batman. But because he went back too far, the events of BvS changed. And because of that, the future is now altered and the vision future doesnt play out like it should have given Supes dies. But DS will still come.
Kinda hard to explain without diagrams
1) Louis is the key sentence bares weight to Batman's decision to help Superman. ie, when Batman sees Louis for the first time its when she's Asking him to stop hurting Superman and not to stab him with the Kryptonite spear. He listens to her because Flash said shes the key plus hes emotionally overwhelmed with Martha as a name. I think Snyder showing Batman remembering his mother was used to show the audience that Batman now realises he isn't much different to Superman. Rather than being an alien god who answers to no one, Batman now realises that Superman has a motherly influence and by extension, an element of humanity in him.
By successfully saving Martha I'm assuming he changed the timeline, so bad superman doesn't need to tie batman up and say "she was my world" etc. and kill him... if the she he refers to is Martha.
2) Another theory behind Louis being the key is that Superman returns but is under a spell from Darkseid (in the comics this villain has mind control alongside his many, many powers). So the only thing keeping Superman human and with empathy might be Louis, hence her value will come in Justice League.
Number 1 & 2 can both be correct, technically. Its all guesswork so I might be wrong!
Thanks. WWAlso @VP89 Thats a fair assumption and theories to make. I really do wish the movies were crisper / edited better cos there was so much material for a great movie there but it was lacking something even though I enjoyed quite a few parts of it.
BTW, looking to see if I could see a video that could explain the scene I came across this which made me laugh:
Exactly words for words what I thought of that stupid sequence too. Btw, when it comes DC Comics related subjects, we agree on 99.99% of the time.Get a room
Already booked
But what about marvel related subjects? Jealous?
I'm not really into Marvel but we'll see.
Jealous?
With 30 extra minutes and probably a swearing Superman.
The extra 30 minutes might help the transition between scenes and add some sense to some points.
That actually looks much better. Much more focus on Superman's African story too.
It must be tough for a director in situations like this. You shoot a movie and follow the screenplay/storyboards as closely as possible and then the studio tells you that 30-45 mins of your film needs to be cut.
That's actually making me want to watch it again.
It's a rubbish situation for Snyder. They also show scenes of Superman after the bombing and Batman breaking into LuthorCorp to steal kryptonite.
The editing really fecked over the movie it seems.
Good thing I haven't seen this yet. Hopefully it is much improved.
Wish I waited! However I loved it regardless of the plot! Can't wait for this now.
Benefits of having missed it and then refusing to watch a shitty print
Right, so I've watched the extended, 3 hours version, I have no idea how different it is from the regular shit you could've watched in the cinema so bear with me.
The movie overall is alright (that's probably a bit stretching it), I can understand why there was so much criticism surrounding it. My take is that Luthor has been shite in this movie, they simply picked the wrong man for the job. He acts like a fecking weirdo and crazy guy all of the movie doing his best Joker impression. So yeah, that little ugly fecker should've been a Joker in some movie and not Luthor, he just didn't fit in at all imo. Affleck as Batman? I don't think I'm a fan either. I know he was built like a tank there but Jesus, they somehow managed to make him look like a chubby motherfecker in that bat suit. His armour looks big, heavy and takes away any sense of swiftness you'd expect from Batman. He just looks clumsy. Alfred was alright although I've liked the Alfred from Dark Knight trilogy more, same applies to Batman obviously but good luck trying to be a better new-age Batman than Bale. The whole Doomsday fight scene was a bit of ugh, Superman taking that Kryptonite spear like it ain't shit was a bit cheesy for me, the whole fight scene was shit and when Superman was 'ded' why couldn't WW just fly him to the space at throw him at the sun so he sunbathes and regenerates a bit? Dumb shit.
Now Wonder Woman was probably the best thing about this movie. I find Gal Gadot to be simply stunning so probably that's why, although she's done fine I guess. I'm not sure how I feel about her being some multimillionaire, up-to-date with technology girl though, they will probably have to fix it up with her own movie if there is one to come. That Flash scene was a bit weird too, I guess that when he said that 'you were right about him all the time' was him doing time travel and talking about being right about Superman, ye? I suppose that in the last scene it indeed is Flash who's coming to pick up Superman from his coffin or something as the soil thrown on the coffin starts to levitate and I don't think Superman can make things like that levitate, unlike Flash with the particles going apeshit and all that science stuff.
Overall I feel like this movie is laying foundations for the Justice League movie. Not sure how I feel about Affleck being Batman, I liked WW, I didn't like Superman in his MoS movies and I didn't like this boring feck here either. Luthor was absolutely shite, I'm afraid I won't like Aquaman or Flash either. I suppose that I all in all I somewhat liked this movie just because I have a soft spot for Batman, Gadot and the sole thought of JLA/JSA movie but that's about it.
Edit: oh, and what the hell is that thing that Luthor is channeling as he is caught inside the ship? One that made those three cubes levitate? Is it somehow connected to Darkseid or what?
Now Wonder Woman was probably the best thing about this movie. I find Gal Gadot to be simply stunning so probably that's why, although she's done fine I guess. I'm not sure how I feel about her being some multimillionaire, up-to-date with technology girl though, they will probably have to fix it up with her own movie if there is one to come. That Flash scene was a bit weird too, I guess that when he said that 'you were right about him all the time' was him doing time travel and talking about being right about Superman, ye? I suppose that in the last scene it indeed is Flash who's coming to pick up Superman from his coffin or something as the soil thrown on the coffin starts to levitate and I don't think Superman can make things like that levitate, unlike Flash with the particles going apeshit and all that science stuff.
Overall I feel like this movie is laying foundations for the Justice League movie. Not sure how I feel about Affleck being Batman, I liked WW, I didn't like Superman in his MoS movies and I didn't like this boring feck here either. Luthor was absolutely shite, I'm afraid I won't like Aquaman or Flash either. I suppose that I all in all I somewhat liked this movie just because I have a soft spot for Batman, Gadot and the sole thought of JLA/JSA movie but that's about it.
Edit: oh, and what the hell is that thing that Luthor is channeling as he is caught inside the ship? One that made those three cubes levitate? Is it somehow connected to Darkseid or what?
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This film takes a lot of influence from the dark knight returns, so the metal suit is no issue for me as it follows the comic one quite well which also looked clunky but Batman needed something that matched Supermans strenght to some degree once he used the weaponized kryptonite and other gadgets. I agree with you on Luthor totally miscast as Eisenbergs attitude to the role annoyed me (didnt bother to research in to the character). The whole doomsday fight scene was ok at best I guess they needed something to unite the team. The only reason WW didnt fly him to bathe him in the red sun was as the 3 don't really know each other Batman and WW are totally unaware that's how Superman gets his powers.
I do like Affleck as Batman but i am trying not to compare his to Bales as Bales was a much more grounded version. It felt a lot of rushing to establish this team but from the reports I have read on the filming of justice league they are saying Ezra Millers Flash is very much the spiderman of this DC universe and has recieved a lot of good reports with the good reviews on Afflecks Batman hopefully its a turn in the right direction for the DC universe. The best thing they could do is ditch Snyder and have the suicide squad director and Affleck sort out Justice league.
I do like Affleck as Batman but i am trying not to compare his to Bales as Bales was a much more grounded version. It felt a lot of rushing to establish this team but from the reports I have read on the filming of justice league they are saying Ezra Millers Flash is very much the spiderman of this DC universe and has recieved a lot of good reports with the good reviews on Afflecks Batman hopefully its a turn in the right direction for the DC universe. The best thing they could do is ditch Snyder and have the suicide squad director and Affleck sort out Justice league.
Steppenwolf, he's Darkseid's uncle and those 3 cubes are mother boxes. It's going to be explained to the audience at the beginning of Justice League.
Ah cheers lads. Makes sense now.
It's released?
Yea, I was digging through that ugly bay of pirates to fight in the name of law and came upon a copy. I couldn't believe so I had to download it before reporting it to authorities.
I dont remember the cubes bit in the cinema movie, so im guessing thats an added scene?
Also isnt Eisenberg meant to be Luthor Jr rather than the Luthor that is Supes nemesis? Based on the way he says his father founded the company and such.
Also isnt Eisenberg meant to be Luthor Jr rather than the Luthor that is Supes nemesis? Based on the way he says his father founded the company and such.
When Wonderwoman is looking at the video files, what was the scientist guy doing exactly?